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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:27:43 +1100 From: Lorraine Olsson <sven@pnc.com.au

Daniele, I have been looking at any pictures I can find, relating to the French quilt or Boutis. I sometimes see them on eBay, but have not bid on any yet. My ambition is to have one in my collection (at least one :o}}) I would just like to be able to see one in person. I have seen pics of a stunningly fabulous gold cotton Boutis, but I could not see what was on the back. It was so stunningly quilted, it may have even had trapunto around the border. Otherwise I see a lot of Toile de juoy, in the beautiful reds and creams, or sometimes with three coloured fabric. I am not sure of all of the French terms. I am planning a trip to France in about 2 years and I will surely like to be able to see an array of these quilts in my travels. Lorraine in Oz


Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 16:35:45 -0500 From: "Judy Kelius (judysue)" <judysue@ptd.net

The quilt rescue squad was busy again! My most recent find is an intricate red, white, and blue New York Beauty top, probably from the 20's-30's. It has a couple of condition problems since it was used as a hanger (shudder!) - still had a piece of wood attached to it when I bought it. As a result, the outer red border has some tears and needs to be replaced, and there are a couple of pieces with tiny holes that I will need to replace as well. But it is still strong and not fraying. 

Also, a couple of the large white pieces have stains, the kind that were on the fabric before it was pieced into the quilt. I started taking these out last night and am washing them and sewing them back in place. So far, Biz took care of most of them, and the worst stain needed a touch of bleach, but it is nearly all out. 

The stencilled lines survived the Biz but not the bleach. It wasn't until I started working on this up close that I realized it was a kit! You can see very faint stencilled or pounced lines for the quilting pattern. Do any of you know what companies put out New York Beauty kits and when they would have been sold? I think of kits being mostly applique. This isn't the Mountain Mist pattern - the spokes are much longer than those in that pattern, and there are 11 rays in each of the arced pieces, more than you normally see. There are 1000's of pieces in this, and it is definitely salvageable! I sell old quilts and tops but this one is a keeper!! It is stunning and deserves to be restored and quilted. 

I get a kick out of what some sellers on eBay describe as "patriotic" quilts - just a touch of blue or red! Now this one really is a patriotic quilt top especially today when New York has come to symbolize all that is good in our country! 


Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 17:17:19 -0500 From: "J. G. Row" <judygrow@rcn.com

Tell me about soaking in Biz. I bought 106 really dirty blocks, all different, this summer. Some have mouse nibbles on one side. I know they are late 19th, early 20th cent. The first ones I washed all had red solid and it ran like mad but didn't stain the muslin. Washing also did nothing to remove the mildew stains. Right now I have a few blocks (no red in them) soaking in Biz. I washed them first in Orvus, and did lots and lots of rinses. Now I have them in a wide-mouth jar with a lid (a cue from Xenia's post last week) soaking in Biz. I turn the jar every now and then. How long can they soak there? Should I change and renew the Biz every now and then? Will soaking for more than 24 hours make a difference in the brightness? Color? Strength of fabric or threads? Anyone can jump in here. Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrow@rcn.com


Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 18:19:52 -0500 From: Kevin Champ <kchamp@nrtco.net

 Hi, My name is Val Champ, I live in Pembroke Ontario Canada. I have a few older quilts, mostly from the 30's also some old blocks, and some old tops also from the 30's. I have a fairly strict quilt budget but sometimes get some good buys. Anyway, I soaked the last set of blocks with Vintage Soak...that's the name and it did a fairly good job. Most of the stains were gone, and any left were appreciably lighter. They soaked for about 3 days with me turning them and mixing them up a bit. Then I rinsed them and laid flat to dry. I don't know if Biz is available here, but when you use bleach it must be diluted?? I am learning a lot, and its a pleasure to be here. Val

Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 03:26:52 From: "Anne Copeland" <anneappraiser@hotmail.com

Hi Judy, It is not surprising at all to me that it is a kit, and it should still have some value, as this type of kit is not as commonly found, usually because they were often quite difficult to piece precisely to make the pieces all fit quite accurately. As you have seen, sometimes the blue lines would end up showing despite best attempts. These kits were also often based on quilts or summer spreads that were in the museums, but not always. I had one called Sunflower, that was based on a summer spread that was in the Titus Geesey Museum. It must have been such a bear to work with all those tiny points (no foundation piecing then) and to try to make them all fit without having the blue lines showing. I know when I got it, even with better tools and methods available, I still found it way too difficult, and finally traded it to someone else. In reality, there were as many kit types as there are quilt types. Boag even sold quilt kits for candlewicking. So, no, applique was not the only type of kit. It was certainly probably the most popular, but Bev Dunivent and I have many photo examples of pieced kits for our book on the topic. Peace and blessings, and happy Thanksgiving to one and all, Annie 


Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:38:09 -0500 From: Newbie Richardson <pastcrafts@erols.com

 Judy, et all BIZ is an a laundry booster that incorporates the ingredients of all fabric bleaches ( non- chlorine types like Snowy/Clorox2) and lots of enzymes. Each type of enzyme is specific to one type of organic matter: grass, blood, egg, etc. Many of our common laundry detergents already combine some enzymes in their formula. The beauty of enzymes is that in and of themselves they are not harmful to fabric or dyes. They only go after the organic matter they like. If there is none, they "swim' around with nothing to do! 

My apologies to any of you more conversant in the science of this - I am trying to state this in very general terms. My favorite enzyme pre-soak is TRI-ZYM by Amway. I have used it for many years with great success. It is safe for historic whites, and cellulose fibers: cotton, linen. DO NOT USE ON PROTEIN FIBERS! (silk, wool) I have let things soak for as long as 6 weeks - I am not kidding. I just change the water when it starts to get cloudy. I am not an Amway dealer, and have no affiliation - but they started out as a soap company and the soap products are of good quality. A word of caution: the formula is harsh - effective but harsh. So if this is an historic piece, you risk shortening the life of the piece. Consequently UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES ARE YOU TO USE THESE PRODUCTS ON TEXTILES THAT ARE IN THE CARE OF A MUSEUM! 

However, for personal items, for very dirty quilt blocks, and for those items for which aesthetics are important, then go for it! Remember two things: Patience; the enzymes need time to eat the organic matter that is coating the fibers. And sometimes the soil you are trying to get out is what is holding the weave structure of the fabric together! Enzymes do not always do the trick. Historic stains undergo chemical reactions over time and sometimes those stains can not be removed after 50 or more years! Happy Thanksgiving to all. Both my girls are home from college and I have the $300 grocery bill to prove it! (And I am not cooking Thanksgiving dinner this year!) I don't mind the shopping - it's putting it all away that is a pain! Newbie Richardson Past Crafts Studios Appraisals and Conservation of Historic Textiles Alexandria, Va.


Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:46:20 -0600 From: "Ann G. Hubbard" <ahubbard@cdoc.net

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all. I'm sure we have had this discussion many times before. Is there anyway to get the blue lines from the old kits out of a quilt top? A friend and I are having a discussion about them and it is my understanding that the marking lines are permanent. TIA. Ann from Lake of the Ozarks, MO

Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:37:34 From: "Anne Copeland" <anneappraiser@hotmail.com

 I wish for each and every one of you the very best of Thanksgivings, being surrounded by those you love. This is a very special Thanksgiving for me. Every so many years, my birthday falls on Thanksgiving Day, and this is the case this year. Furthermore, it is my Big 60 Birthday, and I am celebrating the wonder of having lived through 6 decades successfully (though it might not have always seemed like it at the time). I have many things for which I am thankful, but one of them is certainly the wonderful people on this list. I count my blessings that you are ALL intrinsically woven into the fabric of my life. Thank you for being who you are. You are all terrific people, and I absolutely feel wealthy because of knowing you. Love and light always, Annie 


Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:47:53 +0000 From: "Karen Bush" <karenbush11@hotmail.com

Annie,I couldn't have said it better. Here's hoping all of you have a safe and happy Holiday :) kb thank you for being who you are. You are all terrific people, and I absolutely feel wealthy because of knowing you. Love and light always, Annie http://www.karenbushquilts.com Karen Bush It only takes me One day to get a month behind :/


Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:23:39 -0500 From: "Beth Garner" <garner@adan.kingston.net> To: "Anne Copeland" <anneappraiser@hotmail.com>,

Good Thanksgiving Morning - Happy Birthday to Anne - a terrific milestone and we wish you a most wonderful day and many, many more special Birthdays! What a great day and the sunshine is certainly a welcome sight in Kingston, Ontario. We have certainly been blessed with the weather and the opportunity to enjoy the outdoors more this fall! I had the opportunity to travel to Auburn, New York last Sunday for the Quilts=Art=Quilts show at the wonderful Art Centre on Genessee Street. A fabulous collection of new quilts, but certainly there are very historically significant quilts as well - we will surely see them in collections and museums in the future. A glorious reproduction Civil War Era quilt hangs straight ahead as you enter the hall. Next door at the Cayuga Museum is a great exhibit of Vintage Quilts and the home is a real tribute to the workmanship and talent of the craftspeople involved with the building of such a significant residence. Auburn is a beautiful city - please take time for a visit if you can! Thanks to everyone who contributes to this list! As a collector of vintage Canadian quilts since moving to Kingston in 1992, and with many family as well as collected quilts from my home state of Michigan, I appreciate all of the advise and information shared by this wonderful group. You have helped me solve many mysteries about my quilts and as I travel and teach others about the history of North American quilts and quilters, I think of all of you and your contributions. Have a wonderful, family-filled day... Lonely for our six children and five grandchildren all in Michigan and Indiana... Bethany Garner

Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:34:59 EST From: @aol.com 

 Indeed and indeed. This year especially we should take stock and count our blessings. God grant us peace, joy, and love - but most of all love - this year and in the year to come. Karen Evans Easthampton, MA

Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:19:08 -0600 From: "quilt97" <quilt97@prodigy.net

The directions I have for tea dying say to dry in the dryer or iron the fabric dry, as the heat helps keep the color. After tea dying the fabric, should I wash it with Retayne to set the tea dye? If I don't do that, will the tea dye wash out in the laundry? This is for the border of a wallhanging so probably won't be washed that often. On the other hand, it is a memorial quilt and I don't want it to fade. Thanks for any advice. EKarenbeth