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Subject: Re: two Schwenkfelder quilt shows! From: Barb Garrett 

Candace forgot to mention that our very own listmom Kris will be at the Schwenkfelder Museum this Saturday -- May 24 -- with John and their Quiltbus. The Museum is having a festival that day featuring not only the 2 quilt exhibits but many craftspeople. I know several of them and their work is excellent. The website for information about the festival is


It's a fabulous Library and Heritage Center and I recommend any of the exhibits and activities that they have. Easy access from the PA Turnpike and I will gladly give directions if you need them.

Barb in southeastern PA


Subject: Cindy's on Simply Quilts From: "Karen Housner" <texasthunder@cox.net> 

Hi All,

Just FYI, our own Cindy Brick is on Simply Quilts again on May 23rd, with her Hanky Panky Quilts. I want to see it again, and I thought some of you might not have seen it yet.

Karen Housner, Gilbert, AZ


Subject: Cindy's back on Simply Quilts From: "Karen Housner" 

Hi All,

Just FYI, our Cindy Brick is back on Simply quilts with her Hanky Panky = Quilts on May 23rd. This is a rerun but I figured some of us might want = to catch it again, or for the first time.


Subject: Book of Rates From: "JG Kane" <jgkane84@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 

Hello Joan In 1347 an Act of Tonnage & Poundage was introduced in England, which allowed for taxes to be collected on goods, both imported and exported.The book of Rates was a guidance for the customs officers who collected the duty. Tonnage was on imported wines and spirits: poundage on every pound of merchandise imported or exported.

I beliieve there are copies of the 1675 Book of Rates in University libraries in Liverpool and Glasgow. I saw one for sale at a bookstore of antique/rare books for not much less than £iooo!..Didn't buy it!

It is referred to in Halliwell's" Dictionary of Archaic words".

Jill, in wet,( for weeks) Leeds.



Subject: Fire proofing From: "JG Kane" <jgkane84@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 

I have no experience of fire proofing quilts, but recently bought an expensive, new, mattress! It smelt dreadful when unpacked from its plastic packaging, and continued to reek for days. When contacted, the manufacturers said this was the fire retardent and the smell "would wear off". I hate to think what the chemicals have done to the mattress, and our lungs.The mattress is,however, insured and is a 'thing' . I hate to think of quilt treasures receiving the same treatment. Jill


Subject: Book of Rates From: Joan Kiplinger <jkip@ncweb.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 

Jill - thanx for information. A nice book to have for reference.

Looking forward to this coming Tuesday when Linda Learn of Class Act Fabrics and myself will at the Schwenkfelder display. Bonuses are that we will be meeting Barb Garrett and Sharon Stark if all goes well. Plus Candace Perry will let us take a peek at some of the 19thC clothing collection. Always nice to put faces to names Hope your holiday weekend will be as enjoyable as mine in Pennsy Dutch country.


Subject: Re: two Schwenkfelder quilt shows! From: "Candace Perry" 

Thanks Barb...that was dumb of me! We've got food and music and a used book sale too, so if you're looking for a nice cheap outing (we've got tents if it rains, and lots of events are indoors) come one, come all! Free Admission! Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center


Subject: Re: question from the 05/22/03 Martha Stewart Show From: "Laura Fisher" <laurafisher@netlink1.net> Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:35:19 -0400 X-Message-Number: 10






Ms. Alexander:

I am going to post your letter to the Quilt History Chat Line (QHL) and hope that some of their members can answer your questions and advise you on how to proceed.

I believe that several companies produced a similar state bird design,. I don't have the info at hand, but probably one of their members would.

Good luck with your project.

Laura Fisher

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tonya Alexander" <tkpalexander@hotmail.com> To: <laurafisher@netlink1.net> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 5:11 PM Subject: question from the 05/22/03 Martha Stewart Show

> I was watching the Martha Stewart Show (05/22/03). You were on showing some > antique quilts, when you showed the embroidered state bird quilt. I > believe I have those stamped blocks I bought at an estate sale. I was > wondering how old are they? Also, I have thought of embroidering these > blocks and wondered if you have suggestions on how to do them, do I need a > state bird book or outline them in one color, or would it be better to not > do anything with them. It seems like a big undertaking. Thank you for > taking the time to read my e-mail. I was surprised to see these blocks done > of M.S. show. > > Tonya Alexander > tkpalexander@hotmail.com > > _____________


Subject: good news From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawley@dmv.com> Date: Thu, 22 May 

I was in New York City this week and stopped in to see Laura Fisher. All of us who have been lamenting the demise of the Quilt Engagement Calendar, take heart. Laura will be bringing it back to life with Barnes and Noble. She and Stella Rubin are supplying the quilts and commentary for a 2004 version of our favorite desk accessory. I trust that Laura will give us info on availability. Something else to look forward to is the completion of Laura's website which will have images of her wonderful quilts. Google Laura Fisher and check it out (under construction at the moment, but promises to be a favorite). I asked Laura to show me the best quilt she had. She showed me three early chintz beauties, but the number 1 is the frontispiece of the 1998 Quilt Engagement Calendar. You can all go and look at it, but it is even more exquisite than the picture. It was found in Kentucky, but the overall circular design reminds me of quilts from upstate New York, see pp. 60-61 of the Smithsonian Treasury of Am. Quilts. I've seen two other similar quilts: one at Rose Hill in Geneva, NY, the other still in the family which traces the origins of the quilt to the Finger Lakes area. Laura's quilt has a basket of flowers framed with a circle of scallops, a circle of flowers, another scalloped circle, more flowers, baskets in the corners, a frame of scallops, a meandering border of flowers; the edge of the quilt is a red and green swag. All this is complimented with incredible stuffed quilting. Sigh! Cinda back on the Eastern Shore


Subject: What is folk art? From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawley@dmv.com> Date: Thu, 

While in NYC I stopped at the new American Museum of Folk Art. The largest block of space was devoted to drawings by a Swiss madman who spent 35 years in an asylum after molesting several young girls. Most of these works were pencil on newsprint. Many consisted of photos from newspapers or magazines pasted to blank pages which are then covered with letters and numbers written in a large hand. I was reminded of John Nash covering his walls with numbers in "A Beautiful Mind." Other drawings were vaguely like Medieval manuscripts, but without life or color. I had the distinct feeling that I did not want this guy or his images inside my head. A couple of years ago there was a major folk art exhibit at the Philadelphia Art Museum. It seemed to me that about 60% of the artists were described as mentally ill or institutionalized. I believe this is called outsider art, but it seems to be playing a very large role in museum presentations of folk art. I think of folk art as work produced by people without formal art training. The charm, to me, is in spontaneity, human emotion and joy. I'd appreciate hearing what others think about this. Don't jump on my face; I have no pretensions to special knowledge about art. I do, however, spend a lot of time looking. How about some of you museum people out there? I have pretty catholic (small c) tastes, but I do believe in truth in labeling and that words should have meaning and distinctions need to be made. Cinda on the Eastern Shore


Subject: Re: What is folk art? From: "judygrow" <judygrow@patmedia.net> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 00:47:43 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2


I think that there are two styles of art that are often cross referenced but are totally different from one another. The folk arts we usually think of are by people who may be aware of artistic traditions but are untrained in the techniques. Like oil and watercolor painters and even quilters, they may use the traditional tools of the art. Folk artists often hope to be recognized, either by the public at large or by small groups within their sphere of reference. Think of Grandma Moses, and you have a naive folk artist.

Although sometimes spoken of as folk art, what you saw is more often called "Outsider Art." As the title intimates the people who practice these arts usually are recluses, or criminals of one sort or another, and do the art only to fulfill their own fanciful desires. By no stretch of the imagination could they be called "naive." They usually have no background in western artistic traditions and work with materials at hand to satisfy their own often convoluted passions. I can't think of his name, but I remember the big brouhaha a number of years ago over a NYC or Brooklyn recluse who turned out enigmatic shadow boxes filled with all sorts of objects. The trendy NYC galleries jumped on him as the next new big thing. It was all about dollars.

All quilts used to be considered folk art. Nowadays the Gees Bend quilts are probably considered by all to be true folk art. But beyond them, I think we'd have to look long and hard to find real "folk-art" quilters. There are books, and books, and books nowadays about how to turn out quilts in the folk art style, and millions of contemporary quilters are following the directions to the letter.

In the mid 19th century there were a finite number of fine quilts made in Baltimore that were at one time considered the epitome of American Folk Art. Now we know that many of them were designed by professionals. Have they lost their folk art status? And what shall we say of the hundreds of copies of those quilts being turned out today.

There was only one "Dear Jane." She was a true folk artist, and her masterpiece quilt true folk art. What will we call the hundreds (thousands?) of copies of that one quilt being made today? I saw one at study group on Tuesday. It was magnificent. Absolutely breathtaking -- craftsmanship, design, colors. But I'm not sure it can be called folk art. And it certainly wasn't outsider art. };>)

A thorny problem!!

Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrow@patmedia.net


Subject: Re: What is folk art? From: jocelynm@delphiforums.com Date: Thu, 22 

Cinda, Gotta agree with you, I think of folk art as being art created by non-professionally-trained artists. I guess one could say that non-trained artists who are psychotic are folk artists, just as their non-psychotic comrades are. But it seems to me that 'folk art' isn't a very accurate description here. I've worked in psychiatric hospitals, and some patients ARE trained artists, but the artwork they create while out of touch with reality is more similar to that created by 'folk artists' who are out of touch, than the artwork both groups create when they're IN touch with reality. There's a sort of delusional quality to it that takes precedence over whether the artist is trained or not. Sounds like the debate about 'African-American' quilts- whether it's a style or if the term has to be a descriptor of the quilter (if a white person makes a quilt that looks like an AA quilt, can it be called such? Or is it an AA-style quilt?).



Subject: Re: qhl digest: May 22, 2003 From: Bluecrookedtooth@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:13:53 EDT X-Message-Number: 4

to respond to "What is Folk Art"....Folk art is mostly done by those without education, and they are not all Scizoids! Or done by those with Mental Illness. For starters. I am an Artist and know it takes more than an education to be an Artiste..it takes an inner ability, a GOD given talent to be one. But not all artist get published or known, and theya re generally Folk Artist with a talent for selling their work, that i do know. Many artist become Quilters too. Its just a byproduct of being an Artist. 

And saying all Quilters are insane is quite disgusting dont you think? What I feel is that many become folk artist out of a need to sell their work, and many become paid professional artist. But not all painters/ drawers or quilters become professional Artist..Professional Artist are just paid Artist. And Fold Artist are just that becasue they are forced to make a business from their art. It ahs nothing to do with mental illness or Art to begin with, but they love to dabble and do things to get recognition..soemone told them they were good at it, so they sell what they are good at...and many do have a talent towards the arts. Its basically somehting they do thats just good enough to sell. And many go on to be come great artist. But basically Folk Art is by accident and not design. Its something they do to express themselves. 

And art is in the eyes of the beholder. You may not like Folk Art, becasue it is raw talent, but it is art nonethe elss, becasue soemone is expressing themselves. Its just a means to express themselves. Some folk artist are just manufacturers at heart, but art is a medium of expression, but not necessarily AR T perse..becsue many times Folk Art takes on many mediums. One may be a basket weaver another could be a Quilter, but not necessarily an Artist (Painter or Drawer), but theyw ill express themselves in what they produce, which is an Art to them, becasue it is the expressions they convey, which is a medium for their "ART" so...I hope I cleared it up, becasue basically Folk Artist are those in it for the money, and not necessarily in it to express their artistic but to support themselves. and Art just happens to be apart of that. 

Most Folk artist are using art as a added feature, to sell an item, but it is not their sole expression. I hope I cleared that up. But there are many people who have talent, but are not as educated to know that they have an artistic ability, but becasue of their production of items, they do incorporate their artistic ability in what they produce, but it is not their sole desire to express art as much as it is to produce soemthing to sell. Many who are schizoid/schizaphrenic are also able to be artist, But not all Artist are schizoid. But an artist is able to communicate to those who are. I have not only studied art, but have studied mental illness ( art is a medium )to reach out to those who are mentally ill. And I do quilt and am an professional artist also. (because I have sold my art). But find it hard to sell my quilts. lol



Subject: Re: question from the 05/22/03 Martha Stewart Show From: jocelynm@delphiforums.com Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 20:25:38 CST X-Message-Number: 5

On Thu, 22 May 2003 17:35:19 -0400 "Laura Fisher" wrote:

> > antique quilts, when you showed the embroidered state bird quilt. I > > believe I have those stamped blocks I bought at an estate sale. I was > > wondering how old are they?

Probably the easiest way to get an idea of the age would be to see if Alaska and Hawaii are included.



Subject: RE: What is folk art? From: "Candace Perry" 

Cinda, I love this message! Our fraktur exhibit just ended at the AFAM, and it was shown in tandem with Woelfi's (the madman)work. I am not an expert in folk art in general, but I do think there is a dividing line between "visionary" art (like Woelfi's)and folk art, such as our fraktur, painted furniture, textiles, etc. I guess this art was once called outsider, which in my mind also has a divider of "visionary" and dare I say, normal. Much of the visionary art has disturbing sexual components also...like Darger's stuff at the AFAM...very unsettling, makes you feel that you looking at pornography sometimes. 

I wonder, these are not men any of us would have invited into our homes, yet people (like Robin Williams' wife, I understand) are plunking down bankrolls for their work. Don't get me wrong, I think it has its place...look at van Gogh, he was mentally ill. The AFAM tries to present a balanced view of the whole realm of folk art, and I guess that's why you'll see traditional stuff, like ours, and the non-traditional. We have wonderful, very thoughtful associate director who is also a very distinguished religious scholar -- he very much enjoyed Woelfi ...perhaps because it is an expression of the man's soul with everything stripped away. Personally, I get my kicks from our David Kriebel fraktur, painted furniture, and quilts, also! Candaca Perry


Subject: folklife/folk art From: Gaye Ingram <gingram@tcainternet.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 08:26:37 -0700 X-Message-Number: 7

To discuss folk art to any purpose, one must resort to definition. The Ameican Folklife Center contains a wealth of informtion on folk lore, folk life, folk arts and crafts and makes the basic distinctions necessary for clear discussion. The Smithsonian offers a variety of materials, generally free of charge, to aid in the understanding, collection, and preservation of the materials of folklife and its products.

Folk art grows out of a traditional culture---i.e. out of folklife. It includes the traditional arts and crafts, customs and traditions that a culture passes along informally from one generation or group to another. It includes the traditional skills, customs, and ways of doing things which are passed down through families and communities without the aid of formal, academic training. Folk life and art are concerned more with the repetition of traditional ways than with invention or innovation.

In our region, there are still a surprising number of quiltmakers who fall within the definition of folk artist: they work within a family tradition and their knowledge of printed materials and other formal means of teaching quiltmaking is, at best, hearsay.They know about books, have even seen them, but demonstrate no interest in them. They use patterns and techniques passed down from preceding generations of quilters, make quilts for purposes similar to those of past generations, learn from other members of the group and not from reading or formal study. For instance, in our region many African-American women still quilt "on the bed"---i.e., they use no frame, but instead lay the "sandwich" that becomes the quilt across a bed (usually a single bed) and quilt sitting in a chair at bedside. No doubt this tradition arose from lack of space and funds for a frame, but it persists in a time when neither issue is a strong influence. And even though they can afford fabric specifically designated for quilt making, they persist in using scraps from dressmaking.

The keys in definiting folk life and art are the means of transmission of knowledge and skills and the informal nature of that transmission. And, again, the emphasis on repetition rather than invention.

The work of Clementine Hunter, a well-known African-American "folk artist" from Natchitoches, LA,, does not, for instance, really meet the criteria for folk art because she worked in a medium foreign to her group and, to some extent, was instructed in the use of paints. One might see in her work some methods of folk quilting and her subject matter and approach to it is traditional. But she is, as Judy Grow names such artists, a naieve (sp?) painter. Some of her quilts, on the other hand, are folk art.

One more week of school to go where I live and then all of us who spend our years in classrooms will be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Gaye


Subject: Re: Quilts on Martha Stewarts Program From: "Laura Fisher" 

Hi - I don't know if any company has reproduced the state birds quilt patterns, but I will forward your inquiry to the Quilt History List in case anyone there can direct you to a source.

Laura Fisher


Subject: Memorial Day quilt tv segement From: "Laura Fisher" 

On July 2 Martha Stewart Living television will air a segment done with = Judy Knorr on creating a memorial day quilt.=20

They filmed Judyand her patriotic material, and she showed Martha how to = assemble the blocks.=20

Hope Judy will fill you in here with more info on her experience there!. = Thanks to those of you who replied when they asked me to put them in = contact with a group undertaking a memorial day project.

Laura Fisher


Subject: RE: What is folk art? From: Midnitelaptop@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 

having been a victim of a child sex offender...i am really saddened and angry, by the display and or purchase of any of this "art" by these criminals insane or otherwise... would we display or buy the art of the criminals that committed heinous deeds against any other vulnerable defenseless humans?...let's say concentration camp guards or commandants? i don't think so... so why the fascination with sexual predators...do the purchasers get excited by the images? just this very discussion brings by horrific memories... jeanL


Subject: sorting out the library... From: "pepper cory" <pepcory@mail.clis.com> 

Hi all QHL members-For those who don't have plans for Memorial Day weekend and find themselves sorting their quilt books....I am trying to flesh out my set of Quilt Engagement Calendars. Still need 1976, 1980, 1987, 1989, and 1999. I have a mint-in-box 1991 and an excellent condition (minus box-)1994 to trade. Anybody interested? Pepper Cory





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