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: Re: Quilts are alive and well From: Xenia Cord <xenialegacyquilts.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 

To those who asked about the chintz quilt sold through Doug Davies Auction: my understanding is that the quilt was bought by a dealer who does the NYC Pier show(s), so it will be seen in public again.



Subject: Kalona, IA From: Litwinowaol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:17:30 EST 

I'll add two cents worth on the KKK comments. My mother remembers in the 20's going to a cross burning in Pochontas County, Iowa. Her fahter put her in the car and took her, he never said a thing. My first trip to Kalona, IA was over 20 years ago, there I heard my first lecture on Amish quilts by Amish Sara Miller. I was horified that she kept referring to the KKK! Only to find out later that her shop was the Kalona Kountry Dreations! Iowa and Illinois will be having their Quilt Study group Feb 7th. Those of you that can go to the deep south session--come to Iowa! Catherine Litwinow


Subject: Fabric used in KKK uniforms From: Ark Quilts <quiltarkmvyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 

I have been following the discussion about the KKK. It was a shock to me when I moved 4 years ago to discover that a young man of 18 was the state president of the Ohio KKK and lived in the next town! I did not realize that Ohio's KKK was still active. My grandmother used to tell me about KKK activities that occurred in the Springfield, Ohio area during the early 1900's and most of them were memorable for their vile nature. When the county historical museum opened I followed the debate with interest because the display of the KKK uniform from the 1920's was dropped because it was felt that it was "too controversial". I was disappointed that the display was dropped. I wanted to see what it looked like and examine the fabrics. Some people made their own uniforms and probably used varying types of fabric. But it would have been interesting to see those sold in stores in the south. I think the historical display would have encouraged some positive dialogue in a the community even though there might have been some negative comments too (they missed an excellent teaching opportunity there!).

The real point of my posting is that my grandmother made a comment to me one time that there was a lot of nice white fabric in one of those KKK uniforms......that coming from a quilter and embroiderer. I always wondered if there were any documented quilts out there which were made from KKK uniforms....it seems that very few survived or are still tucked away in trunks somewhere. Does anyone know if there are quilts documented as being made from KKK uniforms? I've only see photos of them in books & would like to see the "real thing" sometime.

Connie Ark in Ohio where the wind dropped the temperature to -10 today!


Subject: Re: Fabric used in KKK uniforms From: barbara s <indiana_babsyahoo.com> Date: 

i had a book from the library called "lets quilt indiana" in it there were pics of quilts made from kkk uniforms. it was repulsive. i live in indiana, and indiana has a big history on kkk. on the history channel i watched a show on it and it said indiana had the largest klan group around. i just turned 28 so i never had to deal with it. but i notice the treatment i get when i go to the little cities surrounding me. there is still alot of racisim here. not just against blacks. im black and hispanic. i have many friends who are hispanic or afghan or black and they say when they go to the towns on the outskirts they get stared at and treated like garbage. i agree. i had to leave a job in huntington because all i heard repeatedly was , you dont see many or any blacks around here, how does it feel to be the only one?

i cant deal with that kind of ignorance.



Subject: 1848 quilt & closure From: Joan Kiplinger <jkipncweb.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 

J. G. Row asked me to post to the eboard a lovely 1848 Mount Holly NJ Antrim quilt from the Burlington County Historical Society. http://vintagepictures.eboard.com or http://www.eboard.com/vintagepictures See quilt tab.

Closure -- I called my brother, now back from vacation, to pick his brain on the KKK neighborhood society. It was not ever a KKK affiliate. It started out as a protection society after WWI to help the newly located Italian immigrants and which was called the Black Hand. Sometime in the 20s there was common ground with another benevolent group comprised mostly of Quakers and other nationality groups for community property and they merged. KKK was chosen as a name for scare purposes and although there was a better name selected later on, KKK stuck. Anybody could join. It disbanded right before WWII due to a dramatic decline in membership as much of the population had moved to large cities to find work during the Depression. This pretty much tallies with what I posted earlier, not out of ignorance to the true KKK as some have claimed. Now the labels or practices of these groups may not tally with many of your perceptions, but that is what those persons chose to call them and how they wished to observe them. It serves to point out that even the smallest boundaries greatly affect how humankind views surroundings and shapes its practices. This reminds me of a great discussion on Amish quilts on the vintage fabric list last year in which we all learned about the vast differences of Amish practices, observances and terminology from region to region and state to state. Now, I make it clear here I'm not equating KKK with Amish, heaven forbid, just pointing out that regional differences can and of do create group individuality, all under the same umbrella name. I agree with Kris that this whole discussion has been a learning one and I appreciate hearing about the experiences of others like Rissa and Candace.


Subject: Stolen Quilt From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 

This isn't strictly about quilt history, but I am posting this link just in case anyone runs into this stolen quilt.


The thief had to walk right past the father of the quilter as he lay in his hospital bed to steal it off the wall. Can you imagine!

While you are there, check out the other lost and found quilts. One of the found quilts is a crazy, with some motifs pictured. It's an interesting site.




Subject: Re: Fabric used in KKK uniforms From: aol.com Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 

Quilts made from KKK uniforms? *shudder* I can see not wanting to let the fabric go to waste, but I'm not sure I could bring myself to do anything to one of those uniforms but burn it as quickly as possible...

Karen Evans Easthampton, MA


Subject: Telltale Textiles exhibition catalogue From: Patricia L Cummings 

Good morning:

A quick check again with the museum store at Historic Deerfield reveals that the exhibition catalogue is now available. The price is $10.95 plus $6.95 shipping. A 10% discount is given for members. To order, call:

> 413-775-7170 between 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. est.

Not trying to be a busybody here, but after having seen the exhibition (twice), I think that it is one that you won't want to "miss", if only in print.

Pat Cummings


Subject: A KKK Quilt at the MSU Museum From: macdowelmsu.edu Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 

Dear QHL susbscribers,

Given the discussion about KKK I though you would like to be aware of a KKK quilt the MSU Museum acquired by donation. http://www.museum.msu.edu/glqc/collections_2000.71.1.html. It was a subscription fundraising quilt for clan activities so it is signed by many individuals. One block contains an embroidered image of a hooded KKK member on a horse. We (and the donor) believe it is a powerful tool to use to educate others about this dark side of our nation's history AND the sometimes dark side of quilting history. Believe me, when we have shared this quilt with university students it has provoked much discussion and the Long Island Arts Council once developed a diversity training and tolerance educational unit based partially on the quilt.

There was a quilt made of KKK clothing that was documented in another state quilt project, possibly Indiana.

I would be interested in knowing if there are other examples out there of quilts being made for not only KKK activities but other societally-deconstructive or repressive activities.

Marsha MacDowell Great Lakes Quilt Center Michigan State University Museum


Subject: Studio Quilt Study Group From: "J. G. Row" <JudyGrowpatmedia.net> Date: Tue, 6 

Dear friends,

I hope your holidays were filled with food (not too much) and family (not too much) and travel (not to much) and gifts (piled on high and wide)! At the Grow household having a 6-year old with us for a week made the time very special. Shopping for a 6-year old girl was interesting, to say the least. Clothing was fun to buy, but toys another matter entirely. " Barbie" is not in this year, but "Bratz" dolls are (think of Barbie as a slut -- don't know how else to describe these dolls) . I found a lovely book, "Suki's Kimono" and we read that together. I tried to teach Sophia to knit, but after one perfectly formed stitch she gave up. Perhaps next year.

I got an old book on the history of the Pennsylvania Germans, and that is just about all with quilting connections. I hope you all fared better in that regard and will share your new goodies with all of us.

Studio Quilt Study Group will be meeting at my place in Ringoes, NJ, on January 20th. As always, those coming from a distance can find a place to stay with me, or with Nancy Kerns. We need to know beforehand however.

Asking around for a suggested theme for this meeting, Barb thought of "stars". I think that is a wonderful theme, especially for this time of year. I can't get out of the car after dark without gazing up at the sky, which seems especially twinkly in the cold winter. So, stars it is, pieced and appliquéd; Christmas Star, Nativity Star, Bethlehem Star, Compass Star, Lemoyne Star, Union Star, Enigma Star, Hexagonal Star, Star and Stripe, Washington Star, Exploding Star, Royal Star, Starry Path, Nine-Patch Star, Feathered Star, Circle Star, Lonely Star, Sun Moon and Star -- you get the picture. Any kind of star quilt. So, bring your most twinkly star quilt, but bring other interesting things as well.

Our meeting starts at 10 AM, we break for lunch for an hour, and then continue until 3PM or until folks drift off towards home.

Let me know if you can come, and if you will be bringing any food -- either for yourself or to share. We can always order pizza as we have done in the past. Salad and dessert for the group is always welcome. I'll take care of the soda, juice, coffee, tea, etc., and the tableware.

Anyone needing driving directions, get in touch privately.

I would like to have all your RSVP's at least by Sunday the 18th so I can plan how many chairs I have to clean off. We store them outside.

I can't wait to hear from all of you , and see you again.

If we have to postpone or cancel I'll be in touch, either by phoone or e-mail. Pray for no snow!

Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrowpatmedia.net


Subject: Re: A KKK Quilt at the MSU Museum From: Vivien Sayre 

Marsha, When you mentioned the Long Island Arts Council, were you speaking of Long Island, New York? Thanks, Vivien Sayre


Subject: Oh, good, another controversy:-// From: Kris Driessen 

The Spy Museum in DC is sponsoring a program on quilts and the Underground Railroad. Details: http://spymuseum.org/do/programs.asp#6

Quilts as Codes: Secrets of The Underground Railroad Tuesday, 17 February 2004; 6:30 pm

Unravel the cleverly-sewn secrets that helped lead slaves to freedom! Hear how intelligence was woven and yarns told tales: literally! Dr. Raymond Dobard, Professor of Art History at Howard University, co-author of Hidden in Plain View: A Secret Story of Quilts and the Underground Railroad, will reveal the fascinating evidence behind this unique intelligence method. Investigate real quilts and find out how they were intended to communicate with slaves navigating their escape to freedom, learn how to interpret pictures and pattern codes, and try your hand at creating and deciphering your own messages. A book signing will follow the program. Quilts as Codes is presented in partnership with the Smithsonian Anacostia Museum in honor of Black History Month.

Tickets: $20 Members of The Spy Ring (Join Today!) & Anacostia Museum Members: $16 Space is limited advance registration required!


Subject: Whig's defeat and folk quilt on Antiques Roadshow From: "Steve and Jean Loken" 

Here in MN we documented a whig's defeat quilt, made in red and white in Illinois in the 1860s (est.). Does that qualify as western enough? I suppose those on the East coast will say yea, but those farther west will vote nay. I'd be with the latter, even though I was born in NY.

We saw a new version of Antiques Roadshow last night. They had a really interesting quilt with images of Route 66 and sights. It was raved over. It seemed to be appliqued by satin stitch. It was colorful and fun. I couldn't see any quilting on it, but that might be my miss. I think the appraisal was for $5000 plus. Keep your eyes open for it in your area. Antiques Roadshow seems to be suffering from a "dumbing down" and has a new very perky female host. Dan Elias was OK, but I think they put him in to appeal to younger audiences. In this newest host they seem to be appealing to kindergarden. The appraisers also suffer from over gushing, and repeat themselves, stretching out each appraisal. Maybe the Children's Television Network gave them pointers? Jean in MN


Subject: Back to Baltimore (long) From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawleydmv.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 

What fun we had Sunday at the Baltimore Museum of Art! The turnout for Elly's lecture was additional proof that if museum's show quilts, quilt people will come. I don't know what the capacity of the BMA auditorium is (350-400) but it was almost full. I think the title was "What Is This Fascination with Baltimore Album Quilts" and she talked about why we are drawn to them. FYI: the Museum is celebrating its 90th birthday by offering free admission until Jan. 21. It's open Wed. through Sun. from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m (6 on Sat. and Sun.). The regular admission is $7.00, so getting in free is a "good thing," as you-know-who would say. Elly told of attending the Dena Katzenberg exhibit at the BMA in the early eighties and finding herself in tears before one of the quilts because it seemed that the maker was speaking to her across the years. I think many of us have had the experience of being stunned, frozen by a quilt. 

The first Baltimore Album I saw in real life (around 1987) was the Mary Everist Quilt (the one with the border of a red, reverse applique, running feather. It was hanging at the top of the main staircase at the BMA and I'm surprised that I didn't fall backwards down the steps. As we know from her books, Elly is fascinated by the symbolism of the Baltimore quilts and the hunt for the original sources of the motifs. I know that I'm not quoting her exactly, but she spoke of the ladies of Baltimore singing with their needles. The museum hosted a lovely reception after the lecture and it was like old home week: AQSG, QHL, FVF, The Dating Club, most of the people who had been at the BAS Retreat, women who had documented at the Maryland Historical Society exhibit in 2001. My thrill of the day was meeting the daughter and granddaughter of the lady who donated the Samuel Williams Quilt to the BMA. That is the quilt that the Baltimore Applique Society has reproduced (with excruciating exactness) to be raffled to benefit the Museum. The quilt remained in the family of Williams' stepdaughter until it was given to the Museum. The younger woman remembered playing on the quilt as a child and being captivated by the incredible appliqued images. She participated in the BAS project (if I don't win the quilt, I hope she does). 

This was my third visit to the exhibit (and not my last). This time I looked at the quilts with Susan McKelvey and we concentrated on the inking (Susan did all the inkings for the BAS reroduction of the Williams quilt). Katzenberg, in her essay for the first exhibit, talks at some length about the inkings. She felt that there were two inscribers whose work appears on many of the quilts (often both did inscriptions on the same quilt). I find this as intriguing as the question of kitted-blocks. Was the inking of beautiful details (e.g.. the Williams quilt) a commercial proposition like the fraktur inscriptions on some PA German quilts? Katzenberg notes that inscriptions appear in a number of other hands, but that those she designates #1 and #2 appear over and over again on many different quilts. Dr. Dunton writes about the quilt presented to Dr. Mackenzie in 1850 (I think that the whereabouts of this quilt are unknown, but Dunton shows a picture of it, p. 35 and describes each block in great detail including a pansy wreath label on the back). It has a running vine border like the Williams quilt.Duntons says, "When the quilt was given to Dr. Mackenzie it was in a case of glazed chintz (Plates 6a & 6b), chiefly in blue tones. This was bound with a red, white and blue braid in dull tones, and the ties were the same. This case, about 20" by 40", still is used to house the quilt...Like the other needlework, the quilting is beautifully fine and is largely in close short lines which give the effect of crepe and makes an effective background for the colors." Do we know of other such presentation cases? Cinda on the Eastern Shore


Subject: RE: Whig's defeat and folk quilt on Antiques Roadshow From: "Candace Perry" 

I saw the Route 66 quilt on the Roadshow and was really quite shocked at the appraisal ($5000-10,000, I think). I know precious little about quilt appraisal, and even less about contemporary quilt appraisal...I couldn't tell actually, and didn't hear them say, what the date of the piece was. Candace Perry


Subject: "Cold Mountain" From: "Carol's Quilt Closet" <imaquilter2msn.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jan 

I saw the movie "Cold Mountain" over the weekend. Enjoyed the historical aspect, clothing and the fine acting. The realism of war is awful. I did, however, love the so called "Apron" or did I miss the subject completely. I would have called it the skirt. My question, is this what was called a "mourning" dress.



Subject: RE: "Cold Mountain" From: "Candace Perry" <candaceschwenkfelder.com> Date: Tue, 6 

Do you mean "morning dress" which would have been the sort of costume a woman would wear prior to receiving visitors (I haven't seen Cold Mountain so I don't know if they would receive visitors)...it has a French name and I can't think of it -- aha, "en deshabille"...in other words, sort of a house dress, though not a dressing gown... Candace Perry


Subject: 19th century quilt poetry and prose ( A dry goods store theft) From: 

This is not to meant to make light of a quilt theft. This theft at a dry goods store occurred in 1826. People have lusted after beautiful textiles for centuries. The list of fabrics is most interesting. sue reich

Adams Centinel Gettysburg, Pennsylvania October 11, 1826

Stop the Villains!


The Store of the Subscriber was broken open on Saturday night last, and robbed of the following Goods: 1 piece superfine Blue Cloth, 5 black Crape Robes, 2 colored do. One pale blue and one grey, 1 piece black Laventine Silk, 2 half pieces black India lutestring do. 1 piece sarsinette black do. Black and white satin do. Green, white, blue, brown, and leaf-colored Florence, A part piece of yellow & purple cross-barr’d, 3 remnants of Gross denap, colored, &c. Black Silk Vestings, 1 Washington do. silk and cotton, 1 piece black Italian Crape, 2 pieces of white do. 1 piece green do. 2 pieces figured patinette do. 1 piece plain do. 2 small pieces Bobbinetts 2 pieces Iris Gauze, 3 pieces Grecian stripe Gingham, 1 piece Carlisle barr’d do. 1 piece blue and purple Barege do. 1 piece barr’d blue do. 1 piece yellow stripe do. 1 piece Crom. Yellow Chintz, 1 piece yellow, white, tallow and purple Battien, Plain and figured black silk Handkerchiefs, Brown, red and yellow Bandana and Flag do. Yellow and white, yellow and blue, and blue and white Spittlefield, 1 Bobbinett worked with Cape and Swiss Caps, White Cravats, Madrass do. White and brown spotted do. Two or three 8-4 brown shawls (cotton with border), Cotton handkerchiefs, 2 pieces Plain and Mull Muslins, Jaconette do. And about 30 Dollars, in small change. The above Reward will be given for the apprehension of the Villains, and the recovery of the Goods, or Thirty Dollars for either. William Gardiner


Subject: RE: Oh, good, another controversy:-// From: "kerrybrackozemail.com.au" 

boohoo too far away to attendthere is a book on this right? I am su re i saw something at houston this year on this topic??? if anybody attends ca n they brief ustiakerry in sydney 


Subject: Re: "Cold Mountain" From: "Quiltstuff" <quiltstuffoptusnet.com.au> Date: 

I was just wondering something non quilt related about this. How do Americans feel about a Aussie and Englishman playing the lead roles of Southerners. . I know the brits were upset when Renee Zwellegger played Bridget Jones.. Just wondering. Suzy An aussie who is very proud of our Nicole.

Subject: [qhl] "Cold Mountain"

> I saw the movie "Cold Mountain" over the weekend. Enjoyed the historical > aspect, clothing and the fine acting. The realism of war is awful. I did, > however, love the so called "Apron" or did I miss the subject completely. I > would have called it the skirt. My question, is this what was called a > "mourning" dress. > > Carol


Subject: Re: Studio Quilt Study Group From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawleydmv.com> 

Hi Judy, I won't be able to join you this time. Thanks for the invitation. Cinda


Subject: Re: 1848 quilt & closure From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawleydmv.com> Date: 

Do you think the person who designed the blue jay on that chintz had ever seen the real bird? Cinda on the Eastern Shore


Subject: once more into the KKK (long---are you surprised?) From: Gail Ingram 

I have read with interest the numerous and varied remarks about the KKK and especially Marcia's about the quilt depicting images from the Klan.

One thing that has struck me is that there appears to be an awareness that a variety of Klans have existed over the years, that the group has developed differently in different regions and that it has even had a few positive moments.

Living in a state where I once had to choose to vote for Governor between a Grand Whizo KKK Dragon (David Duke) or a former governor who had boasted on national television that he would never be CONVICTED of any crime by a Louisiana jury unless he were caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy (Edward Edwards--- now, many years later, in prison, I might add), I understand the powerful negative reflex anything associated with the KKK normally generates. I pulled the Edwards lever of that voting machine without even batting an eyelash, something that astonished me.

Yet I also recognize that such reflexes deny the complexities of any situation and often preclude knowledge or real understanding. They can also lead to a kind of smug self-righteousnss that hinders the search for truth.

Having spent my entire lifetime in the Deep South, I'm sure I've met many an out-of-robe Klansman. It would not surprise me greatly to discover that some ancestor had been associated either actively or complicitly with the KKK, even though I grew up in a home that scorned such extra-legal secret groups. Though loyal Democrats, they had grave reservations about FDR because he had refused to take a strong public stance against Klan activities either in the South or elsewhere: the folks who made up those organizations were Democrats whose votes were needed. And from all credible historical accounts, the KKK appears to have been a very loyal supporter of FDR.

There was a reason for that fact that only indirectly had anything at all to do with racisim----poverty and/or the fear of poverty. And perhaps the concomitant fear of chaos that characterized the 1930's.

To some extent, those motives gave rise to the KKK. After all the mine-eyes-have-seen-the-glorying of the Civil War had ended, the South was left in extraordinary poverty and general institutional fragility. It was an almost entirely rural land, supported by a dangerously depleted agrarian economy. Farms and farm families were isolated, open to plunder and destruction of roving bands of newly freed men without jobs or purposes, men with plenty of reasons for resentment.

The federal government had ended slavery by amending the consitution, but it had made no provisions for preparing the legions of ex-slaves for the kind of true independence that in a republic comes through education and economic skills. It had not dealt with the obvious problems of aculturization of a people whose long history had equipped them for life in far different circumstances. Hatred, defeat, fear, and poverty mingled with systematic national economic neglect created a complex, frightening, and often despairing world.

The Klan that Nathan Bedford Forest organized in Middle Tennessee after the Civil War seems really to have had as its main purpose the maintenance of order and moral values in a rural, destroyed land where frustrations of all sorts spurred men to deeds they would not have considered individually or in different circumstances. I've read journal accounts of the KKK's reigning in an abusive husband, taking up collections to pay the taxes on widows' properties, providing food when a smokehouse and the family's food supply for the winter had been ransacked, and preventing the abuse of hapless ex-slaves by white men whose knowledge gave them an edge over the newly freed black citizen. My late father, who abhorred mob action of any kind, told stories similar to those that occurred during the Depression, always adding that the good deeds might as easily have been done in daylight had men possessed real courage.

Nevertheless, perhaps the woman who made that KKK quilt was responding to an act of generosity, rather than celebrating the power that conspiracy tends to confer. Or perhaps she was celebrating the power of the hood. Intellectual discipline and the search for truth requires one to consider both possibilities, along with several others I can imagine.

I have learned to discipline myself to think in such a manner in this and many other areas where I am aware of strongly reflexive, subconscious feelings. In the 1960's my husband and I rented and lived next door to a police captain and his family in a southern university town. I shall never forget the day I told our landlord that a man who lived but one block away had telephoned offering to help with neighborhood political canvassing for which my husband and I were responsible. My neighbor, a veteran of the Battle of the Bulge, looked genuinely alarmed. "Never return that call, Gail! Let me know immediately if that ______ calls you again!" he told me in a tone and language I had never heard from him before. "That is the man who killed Lemuel Penn. We cannot prove it because his accomplice was a mental patient whose testimony won't stand up in court. But we know he did it. He has boasted of it." Lemuel Penn was an African-American Army officer who was traveling from Ft. Benning, Georgia, in the darkness of night. He had been mistaken for a local civil rights leader. I've never forgotten him or ceased to wonder about his family or the man who pulled a pickup truck up beside his car and fired a shotgun point-blank into the open window of his car that summer night. Years later, I mentioned the incident to my former neighbor, asking about the "Klansman.who killed Lemuel Penn." No, my neighbor corrected me, that man was not a member of the Klan. Even they wouldn't let him in, he said. The lesson I learned thereby about checking out my assumptions has made a better student of me.

The quilt that Marcia describes sounds like a remarkable artifact. What is known of its maker? its history?

And what about her query: does anyone know of similar quilts---not merely KKK, as she noted, but of any similar origin? What an interesting topic!



Subject: 19th century quilt poetry and prose ( A dry goods store theft) From: Joan 

Sue -- thanx so much for this article. I love the names of old, obsolete fabrics, wondering in some cases what their names may be today if they are still alive. In reading through the names, do. puzzled me; at one time I knew its meaning but couldn't for the life of me remember what it was. An expert in 17th and 18thC terminology came to my rescue. The abbreviation stands for ditto. But at best, what wonders what might have followed some of the fabrics shown below to earn a ditto. I always enjoy your news items from the past. Thank you for sharing them.


Subject: RE: KKK ties From: "Cindy Brick" <brickworksatt.net> Date: Tue, 6 Jan 

Just a footnote: the Colorado Historical Society had an exhibit on post-WWII into (I think) the Sixties...and one of Denver's mayors during that period had strong ties with the KKK. I was surprised at that...but DH, who grew up in North Carolina, and experienced firsthand 'Negro-only' water fountains and bathrooms and high schools -- until his junior year, when the 'black' school burned down -- wasn't surprised at all. (He's 48, by the way.) Cindy

BRICKWORKS http://www.cindybrick.com >


Subject: Re: "Cold Mountain" From: "Judy Kelius (judysue)" <judysueptd.net> 

I don't think that matters to most people over here. Nicole has been here so long that most people probably don't even remember that she wasn't born here. (And I assume she's an American citizen by now?) Remember this is a country where an Austrian can become governor of an important state!

At 07:46 PM 1/6/04, you wrote: > I was just wondering something non quilt related about this. How do >Americans feel about a Aussie and Englishman playing the lead roles of >Southerners. . I know the brits were upset when Renee Zwellegger played >Bridget Jones.. Just wondering. >Suzy > An aussie who is very proud of our Nicole.


Subject: Cochinilla From: "Pilar Donoso" <quiltpdmi.cl> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 

I was talking with my friend who visit farms of Cochinilla in the North of Chile, and he told me that the mother worm gets attach to the "baby" to be, and when the baby is born, the mother die. They use then the mother. In the farms, they put a little envelope between the mother and baby, and when the mother worm die, she fall down into the envelope, and that is collected by the farmers. So nature is not violated. Very interesting.

Pilar Santiago, Chile


Subject: Re: "Cold Mountain" From: Gail Ingram <gingramtcainternet.com> Date: 

> > I was just wondering something non quilt related about this. How do > Americans feel about a Aussie and Englishman playing the lead roles of > Southerners. . I know the brits were upset when Renee Zwellegger played > Bridget Jones.. Just wondering. > Suzy

Consider this, Suzy: one of the most iconic American female protagonists in film was aa Brit---Vivian Leigh, who played Scarlett O'Har in "Gone With the Wind."

And then there are those of us who grew up yearning for Audrey Hepburn's ballerina's neck and accent (She too played a famous character from the pen of a Southern playwrite---Holly Golightly, created by Truman Capote in "Breakfast at Tiffany's."), Deborah Kerr's elegance, and (sigh) for someone just like Cary Grant to stand at the end of our wedding aisles. One look at American film favorites, past and present, will answer your question.



Subject: FW: Query: KKK Quilts? From: Gail Ingram <gingramtcainternet.com> 

Marsha, some quilt! There is at least one other KKK quilt out there somewhere, because when I read your posting, I assumed this was it. Didn't check the website until just now. It did not have names.

But this one is a very public, "subscription" quilt, suggesting an entire community's affirmation.

What was the demography of its place of origin? A mixed population? And what kind of mixture? In other words, what fueled the KKK there?

Out of private curiosity, I wonder whether it was made in a region near the home of the bomber of the Oklahoma federal building?

Gail ingram


Subject: Re: FW: Query: KKK Quilts? From: aol.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 

In a message dated 1/7/2004 8:32:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, gingramtcainternet.com writes:

> > Out of private curiosity, I wonder whether it was made in a > region near the > home of the bomber of the Oklahoma federal building?

Probably not, since Timothy McVeigh was from upstate New York....:)

Karen Evans


Subject: Re: FW: Query: KKK Quilts? From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com> 

As a 50 year resident of Schenectady County, let me assure this group that there is **NO** KKK here! Schenectady was founded in 1661 by immigrants <G> and remains populated by a diverse immigration population to this day. We don't have time for prejudice, we are too busy trying to find a common language...

Funny story having nothing to do with quilts: my Danish immigrant grandmother used to choose her grocery items based on the picture on the can or box. One time she bought a can of Sauerkraut and was horrified by what she found in the can. She brought it back, explaining in Danish to a storekeeper that spoke only Italian that she wanted her money back. It took four people relaying from Danish to English to English to Italian to get the message across, but it worked. And she never bought sauerkraut again.



Subject: Re: "Cold Mountain" From: "Pepper Cory" <pepcorymail.clis.com> Date: 

My feeling is that Brits (broadly including aussies here-)often get the southern accent 'right' while Americans mangle it. American actors often confuse Tennessee with Texas with West Virginia--and they're all different! Anyone seeing the movie Used Lions with Robert Duvall and Michael Caine? They played brothers and their accents were impeccable. Duvall comes by it naturally but the wonderful surprise was Caine who nailed the role. Loved the movie by the way. Cheers from the Carolina coast- Pepper


Subject: announcing From: "Newbie Richardson" <pastcraftserols.com> Date: Wed, 

Dear list,

FYI, Colleen Callahan, Curator Emeritus of the Valentine Richmond History Center, and I have joined forces to create "The Costume and Textile Specialists". We offer a full menu of services to the historic clothing and textile community. Colleen is a long time quilt booster, having curated many quilt shows at the Valentine. Our web site: www.costumeandtextilespecialists.com is under construction. If anyone would like a copy of our brochure, please email me privately. Newbie Richardson


Subject: Rt66 quilt on roadshow From: "Newbie Richardson" <pastcraftserols.com> 

Candace, and list I saw the Roadshow a few days ago with that "quilt". It is a piece of mid-20th century folk art using fabric, thread, and quilting techniques as the artist's medium. It transcends the world of domestic textiles (no matter how well executed) and goes into the world of folk art. With that in mind, the $5,000 plus auction estimate was not out of line. The subject matter is very appealing to "boomers" with money to spend. Just look at the prices for Elvis related memorabilia, Hollywood stuff, Beatles stuff. Yet it appraised far less than the Beatles album jacket with the dismemberd dolls on the cover....Textiles remain the step child of the dec arts - even in the high end world of folk art. Sheesh! I did an appraisal of a family collection of historic clothing. In it was a fabulous waling dress of 1878 - pristine, with Paris label, and the "off the rack" Halston tee shirt style poly chiffon dress w/ self tie belt, which great grandma wore to a family wedding in 1978....The Halston appraised out higher - by 30% - than the walking suit. It made me sick. But the marketplace does not always have a sense of taste, proportion or style! A good appraiser throws out her/his own preconceived notions and reports what is happening in the market place. Boy, can that be a hard pill to swallow! Newbie Richardson The Costume and Textile Specialists (no longer Past Crafts) Appraisals, Conservation, & Exhibition Alexandria and Richmond, VA


Subject: Shape Harp Singing From: "Jan Drechsler" <quiltdocsover.net> Date: Wed, 

I'd like to invite all of you to the Western Massachusetts Sacred Harp Convention on March 12th and 13th, in Northampton. As Housing and Hospitality Coordinator, I'll find a host or hostess to put you up for the weekend. A Singing School will be held on Saturday at 9 A.M. You can expect to sing, eat, sing, make new friends, eat, laugh a lot and totally lose your voice for 3-4 days afterwards. Our dear friends from "the Alabama Church" of Cold Mountain fame will attend as usual, but not the Rumanians who were filmed lip-syncing singing the words. (It was filmed in Rumania due to costs as many films are.) No special invitation has been issued to Nicole.

Catching up on QHL reading after a 2,500 mile Holiday family tour, when I read Pat Kysers Dec 27th note I had to respond. Pat wrote:

>a small church at Henager, Alabama provided background singing in shape note >or sacred harp singing style. I found it incredible that one of the singers >is project manager at the super computer for NASA here in Huntsville. >Remarkable and lovely that people very much "into" the 21st century at the >same time are maintaining a very old religious singing style.

Replace the word singers, in the above paragraph, with the word quilters. i.e. incredible that one of the quilters.....is project manager at NASA... Or ... very much into the 21st c at the same time are maintaining a very old quilting style. As I use my keyboard and QuiltPro and websites...

I had to laugh that one old tradition should be seen so differently from another! And to me it isn't strange that any hi-tech or hi-stress person would gravitate to sacred harp. The 4-part music is challenging, fast, un-accompanied (think no help to stay on pitch) and usually had no set group leader. Not much room to think about work problems while you are singing this stuff.

So e-mail me for hospitality! And I'll introduce you to singers who are also quilters!


Subject: Re: FW: Query: KKK Quilts? From: <gingramtcainternet.com> Date: Wed, 

Karen, I should have been more precise. I was thinking not of T. McVeigh, but of his accomplice and associate, T. Nichols, who seemed to be part of a rather sizable group of disaffected folks.


Subject: Quilt History From: "Peggy Gelbrich" <yellowhousequiltercenturytel.net> 

Hello, My name is Peggy Gelbrich and I'm new to the list. I am a quilt maker and teacher and very interested in the history of quilts. When teaching I like to include quilt history especially about the particular pattern. Currently I'm teaching Winding Ways or Wheel of Mystery, Trip Around the World and Hunter's Star. I've search through books and on the internet and can't seem to find much information on these patterns. Can you recommend books or share knowledge of those patterns. Thanks, Peggy Yellow House Quilter Vader, Washington Lots of snow and ice.


Subject: many topics From: Joan Kiplinger <jkipncweb.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jan 

Gail and Pdalampore -- many thanx for your histories on KKK origins. Perhaps that's where the idea of helping was adopted by the town's neighborhood watch committee I spoke about.


Subject: Re: announcing From: "Judy Kelius (judysue)" <judysueptd.net> Date: 

At 11:48 AM 1/7/04, you wrote: >Dear list, > > FYI, Colleen Callahan, Curator Emeritus of the Valentine Richmond History >Center, and I >have joined forces to create "The Costume and Textile Specialists". We >offer a full menu of services to the historic clothing and textile >community. Colleen is a long time quilt booster, having curated many quilt >shows at the Valentine. Our web site: www.costumeandtextilespecialists.com >is under construction. If anyone would like a copy of our brochure, please >email me privately. >Newbie Richardson

Hi Newbie - please send me a brochure. Send it to my home as the museum where I work is closed for the winter - thanks! We have quite a bit of clothing that has never been catalogued or appraised.

Judy Kelius 94 Hawk Valley Lane Denver, PA 17517


Subject: Re: FW: Query: KKK Quilts? From: aol.com Date: Wed, 07 Jan 

Ah, yes. The good folk at Elohim City. *shudder* A lot of those "Christian patriot" groups are indeed offshoots of the Klan, and thanks to the Internet, they're putting up snazzy little web sites with children's activities. And it wouldn't shock me at all to find that once again there are fund raising quilts being made for such groups....:(

Karen Evans


Subject: California quilt history group From: "Laurette Carroll" 

Hello QHL'ers For those list members living in the Southern California area, our quilt history/study group will be starting off our new year, meeting in a new location in Escondido on Wednesday, January 14th. 9:30 a.m. to 2:30 p.m.. Anyone in the area interested in quilt history is welcome to join us.

We have been meeting for over 8 years now, and have enjoyed studying hundreds of antique and vintage quilts and quilt related items during that period. As an example, some of the antique quilts we have seen are fantastic early chintz quilts, antique friendship quilts, and antique/vintage children's quilts. We also study quilt related items, like pillowcases and sewing items, as well as fabrics.

We have always had a "hands on" type of meeting, studying the quilts in an "up close and friendly" way. At our meetings we share quilts for studying purposes as well as information on quilt books and quilt articles, and any other possible sources of quilt history that may enhance our quilt history knowledge (spelled - obsession!).

The new meeting location is the Bits and Pieces quilt shop. 426B West 2nd. Avenue, Escondido, CA, 92025.

Hope to see some of you there. For more information please email me privately, Laurette Carroll rl.carrollverizon.net


Subject: Re: "Cold Mountain" OT From: "Lorraine Olsson" <svenpnc.com.au> Date: 

Just a little trivia here.

Our Nic was actually born in Hawaii (of Aussie parents of course)

Lorraine in Oz


Subject: Re:stolen quilt From: Barbara Robson <robsonbhhfx.eastlink.ca> Date: 

Hi Kris and QHL,

Thanks for posting the link to my stolen quilt. I was surprised to see it here. I am slowly catching up after a busy couple of weeks and hadn't taken the time to post it.

Yes, the quilt was stolen from the wall in my father's room. He is a resident of Camp Hill Veteran's Hospital here in Halifax (he is a WWll vet having served in both the RAF and RCAF as a Pathfinder). It was just a small quilt, bright and cheery, perfect for his room to brighten it up. It was taken at night while he slept. My name is embroidered on the back and I am quite well known in the Nova Scotia and Canadian quilt world, so I hope someone sees it some day and recognizes my name.

I never dreamt this would happen there or I would have secured it better to the wall. I had a second hanging in his room too but brought it home. I did make up a poster and put it where the quilt was. There are also posters around the hospital.

Thanks again Kris,

Barbara Robson Fox Point, Nova Scotia


Subject: New England Quilt Museum From: "Denise M. R. Nordberg" 

I just wanted the list to know that I received a very nice e-mail from the executive director of the New England Quilt Museum and that they are taking seriously my complaint about not being open at published times. And, Judy, the "Sleeping under the Stars" exhibit there was great even if I did have to go WAY out of my way to get back to it. They had in the vicinity of 40 antique quilts with at least 2 star sets/patterns that I have never seen before! And, since there exhibits are hung so that you can get right up to the quilt, it's wonderful to be able to study the quilting and piecing/applique techniques. Deerfield has Lynn Bassett's exhibit on for a little while although their winter hours are curtailed. Go to their website to check if you want to make a special trip. That exhibit's catalog is now available and is well worth the 10.95 price. They don't sell it at the Flynt center where the exhibit is (why???) but it is available at the museum shop in the center of Deerfield. The houses were beautiful, there was snow on the ground and many places were lighted with candles - only! Denise Nordberg in VERY COLD NE Pennsylvania


Subject: KKK From: CarylSchuetzcs.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:35:03 EST 

My husband's great (or great great) uncle was hanged by the KKK in Mississippi because he was an Irish Catholic. The KKK felt threatened by not only African Americans and Jewish people, but also by Catholics. We learned of the death of that relative when we did my husband's family geneology. Apparently, the uncle came from Ireland and chose to settle in Mississippi. Caryl


Subject: symbolism and the Klan From: Gloria Hanrahan <gloriaak.net> Date: 

Since we had spoken about the Scots-Irish connection before I found one of the books I've read in the past couple of years to be of interest with the Klan symbolism.

The Fiery Cross" is the fifth book in the "Outlander" series by Diana Gabaldon. Her books are set with Scottish characters and apparently the fiery cross was a symbol of battle in Scotland.

The lead character in the book goes through ritualistic ceremony and lights the cross before going to war. Considering that a good many Southerners descended from Scottish stock it would make sense that the cross burning would be a part of the Klan symbolism.

No quilts in the book though and I've always meant to study more on this since on my father's side, the Scottish relatives were from Kentucky and Tennessee.



Subject: More on Michigan's KKK quilt From: macdowelmsu.edu Date: Thu, 8 Jan 

In answer to a couple of inquiries, the Michigan KKK quilt is from Chicora (as it is signed on the quilt), a town in rural southwest Michigan -- not all that far from Kalamazoo and Grand Rapids not that far from the historically important rural settlements of free and escaped slaves in Cass County, Michigan. It is NOT an area that has ever had a reputation as a hot bed of Klan activity.

Karl Rowe, the donor of the quilt was a high school history teacher who, though very much not proud of the fact his forebears were engaged in Klan activity, nonetheless knew that the quilt was an important artifact that could be used in positive educational ways. He also tried to find out more about those who signed the quilt but was unable to unearth more than the quote from the person who had embroidered the names on.

-- Marsha MacDowell

PS: Just a note on Michigan's Thumb area. It has gotten a bum rap just because McVeigh lived there. Having relatives in the area, vacationed along its shoreline, and been part of a team that documented its cultural traditions, I don't think it is no more and no less a hotbed of racist or extremist activity than any other spot in the U.S., rural or urban, southern or northern.


Subject: Re: announcing From: "Newbie Richardson" <pastcraftserols.com> Date: 

Hey Judy, Happy to comply. One of our strengths is working with small, underfunded institutions. I am going to put your request on "hold" as the insert detailing that aspect of our services is with the graphic designer. We decided ( for financial reasons) to do the basic brochure, then have inserts with color photos for each area of specialization. It should be done in the next two weeks. Newbie


Subject: RE: conservation cleaners (east coast) From: "Newbie Richardson" 

Karen, Sorry this reply is late - I've been too busy to read the posts. I can give you three names for historic textile cleaning: Museum Quality in Peekskill, NY (Hudson Rivier area) John Lappe is a 3rd generation drycleaner, also has his masters in conservation from FIT. He has done 18th c stuff for me. wonderful and not out of Line. Then there is J. Scheer & co. Rhinebeck NY - has been in the museum end of conseration cleaning for a very long time. I have several quilt collector friends who have used him. Finally, Dr.Margaret Ordonez of the Historic Textiles Collection at the University of Rhodie Island( she wrote (w/Linda Welters) the RI quilt documentation book runs a conservation lab where her grad students in textile conservation do the work - under her supervision. Like having your pet operated on at a vet school, the price is 30% less. However, Margaret can take a while - you need to prod her sometimes. Her work is superb. Your client should expect to pay a minimum of $500, probably more as that quote is about 2 years old. Newbie Richardson The Costume and Textile Specialists Appraisals, Conservation, 7 Exhibition Alexandria and Richmond, Virginia

-----Original Message----- From: Karen Erlandson [mailto:quiltercooke.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:37 AM To: Quilt History List Subject: [qhl] Re: linsey-woolsey

I guess I should have been more precise in my original question. I am aware of the dangers of improper cleaning of quilts and other textiles. I do quilt restoration and find that most of my work comes from exactly this problem. I have a client with an antique linsey-woolsey quilt that needs some minor repair and she wanted to have it washed too. I told her I wouldn't - but that I would check with those who might have experience washing this type of quilt. So, thanks to all who replied to me by saying "don't" - I already knew that answer, but am still looking for someone with experience in such things.

Thanks, Karen Erlandson Quilt Appraiser, certified AQS Professional Quilt Restoration Quilt Historian and Lecturer


Subject: chrysanthemum/thistle From: Teri Klassen <teresakbloomington.in.us> 

Amy et al: I have not looked at the "chrysanthemum" e-bay quilt, but just wanted to mention there is a red-and-green applique quilt in Ricky Clark's Quilted Gardens that I'm pretty sure has a thistle pattern, although she doesn't call it that. sorry i can't remember what page. i think it's toward the back. but thistles were a favorite design on Jacquard coverlets made by Scots-Irish weavers, and I expect they transferred over to red-and-green quilts. it's especially notable as a symbol of Scotland on a red-and-green quilt because those I guess were mainly popular with German-Americans. see some of you in a few days at the chintz exhibit in Louisville... Teri


Subject: trish herr lecture From: "Laura Fisher" <laurafishernetlink1.net> Date: 

Hi all-- come to New York City for Trish Herr's lecture on Amish  quilts!!

She is speaking at the Metropolitan Museum on Sunday February 1 at 2:00  p.m. in the Grace Rainey Rogers Auditorium.20

Perhaps we QHL people could meet and have a drink in the Museum cafe  before or after her talk. Let me know!

Laura Fisher -----30--


Subject: KKK quilts From: "Laura Fisher" <laurafishernetlink1.net> Date: Thu, 8 

Wow -- what a feeling of magic, of power -- to put a word out into the  world of QHL -- KKK quilt --- and have it generate such a flow of  information!!20

So... now.... does anyone have a picture of a (kkk - i'm putting it  lower case 'cause I think we have adequate info on this scary group now)  quilt?

I hope I can think of a different word every week about which I would  love to stimulate a similar a river of information !!20

Has anyone got info on the White House Quilt I asked about a few weeks  ago -- Xenia, Cuesta, anybody out there??!! It looks to be a 1930s era  quilt, with the picture postcard view of the White House with the  columned portico and the circular fountain down front on the lawn,  trees on either side, etc.

I would like to know if this was a published pattern, and by whom, or if  it was someone's original creation done in the format and deep pastel  coloration of a 1930s applique. I've never seen or heard of another, and  it's being featured next week in the exhibition "Lame Ducks and Other  Politic Animals: the Art of Politics" at The American Antiques Show  sponsored by the American Folk Art Museum, Jan 15-18 at the Metropolitan  Pavilion, 125 West 18th Street, New York City. Hope you all can come.  I'll be there along with Stella Rubin and Jan Whitlock with quilts and  early textiles Come see us! 20 Happy New Year to all.

Laura Fisher ------_NextPart_000_00FD_01C3D58E.DBCD19F0--


Subject: Re: [qhl]White House Quilts From: Xenia Cord <xenialegacyquilts.net> 

Laura, I am honored to be asked in the same sentence with Cuesta for research information! All I have is a 50 page pattern booklet called White House Quilts, with a small (2" x 3") line drawing of the portico, fountain, tree on the cover. A slightly larger illustration of the full facade, with 2 trees on one side and on on the other side of the steps is on the title page. The patterns in the booklet, however, are pieced designs having some relationship, real or contrived, to familiar names from Washington.

The booklet is not identified by publisher, but has an introduction by editor Mabel Obenchain and art director Vera Lengel. (Cuesta?) An address on the back cover for ordering various garment and home sewing pattern books has a return address for Pattern Service, 1150 Avenue of the Americas, NYC 10036. The 5 digit zip dates it to the 1960s or later, I think. But this does not speak to your presumed date of the 1930s for the quilt you describe.

I suppose it would have been relatively easy to project the line drawing of the White House onto fabric and trace it, and certainly this technique was used in the 1930s.



Subject: Palampore's email From: "Kathy Moore" <KathyMooreneb.rr.com> Date: 

The January 7 comments from "palampore" showed up on my email as unreadable computer "garbage". Can someone explain why and tell me how to fix it? All the other emails were fine. What gives?

Kathy Moore Lincoln, NE


Subject: Re: many topics From: Marthapatches36aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 

Lynn, Your M_I+W sounds like someone I would have liked knowing. Who was she, maybe many on the list knew of he? 92 years may we all be so blessed.


Subject: RE: symbolism and the Klan From: Margareta.Faustcec.eu.int Date: Fri, 9 

On the subject of fiery crosses, I'd like to mention a tradition that somewhat shocked me when I first came here to Luxembourg, namely burning crosses as part of an end-of-winter celebration (February/March). In the dark they look eerily like the KKK crosses; I am told that they are in fact covered with old rags (a bit like scarecrows) or branches, meant to represent Winter (compare with the Eastern European tradition of drowning a figure symbolising winter in ice-free water). In Sweden we celebrate the end of winter (April 30!)with bonfires, no crosses there. It is interesting how those ritualistic symbols appear here and there and maybe go back to a common source? Happy New Year, everyone, Margareta


Subject: Burning crosses cross-cultural From: "Pepper Cory" <pepcorymail.clis.com> 

FYI-I was in Norway at mid-summer (June 21) and they celebrate the solstice by saving their old wooden boats bound for demolition until that day. Then they tie a tree branch to the top mast, tow it way out into the water, and set it afire after dark. What a sight! I was on a tour boat in the Oslo harbor (imagine a polka band playing Beatles tunes with a heavy "oompa!" beat-) watching an ancient Viking-esque ritual. Tiny burning boats all over the dark water. And yes, the tree tied to the mast looked like a burning cross. Pepper


Subject: Re: trish herr lecture/kkk From: Gail Ingram <gingramtcainternet.com> 

Do any of you Easterners ever consider filming a lecture such as this, assuming Trish would agree, so that those of us who can run into the city so easily can have access to it? I understand all the problems from copyright onward implicit in such a venture---but I bet there is a market for such a video/dvd.

In looking for (kkk) quilts <g>, we should remember that immediately after end of Civil War there were similar groups with different names, including Knights of the White Camelia. My own guess is that in that time period people were too busy scraping together food and clothing to be making quilts celebrating these, but they existed alongside the Klan. In my home parish, one of them devoted itself primarily to curbing incursions of "Jayhawkers," poor whites from the hilly areas who made incursions into the more prosperous lowland farms/plantations.

Gail Ingram


Subject: Re: trish herr lecture/kkk From: "Candace Perry" 

I would say that's as issue with the Met, also... Candace Perry


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