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Subject: Egyptology From: Joan Kiplinger <jkipncweb.com> 

For persons such as myself who are neither quilt-oriented nor familiar with quilt history to any great depth, this list provides us with so much information from dedicated quilt historians, researchers and collectors. Therefore it was an interesting find on http://www.quiltersmuse.com/Egyptian%20Appliqued%20Canvases.htm to read the effect of Egyptian motifs upon quilters. Thanx to Pat Cummings and those who continue to enlighten us with tales from the crypt [okay, couldn't resist that one]. This brings up the subject of quilt history websites-- does one exist which gives a dedicated directory of quilt history urls which feature new columns on a frequent, ongoing basis??


Subject: Re: French, and a question From: Gail Ingram

> > Second, a question came up yesterday while I was teaching a class on > medieval quilting. As usual, I cited Averil Colby's contention that La Lai > del Desire was the first written reference to quilting in Europe ("a quilt > of two sorts of silk fabric in a checkboard pattern, well made and rich"). > Someone asked what the word was in the original, and was it certain that the > word actually referred to a quilt and not just a bedcover. > > Now, I've never read the poem. I assume that the word in question was > "courtepointe," which was certainly used to mean "quilt" within a hundred > years or so of La Lai del Desire. But now I'm curious as to just how we > *know* that "courtepointe" meant "quilt" in the 12th century, and not just a > bedcover. > > Any thoughts on this? And has anyone out there read the poem? Thanks! > > Karen Evans > > Karen and list,

I was organizing, deleting old emails, and came across the email above, which I had marked to review.

I wonder if the Lay is really the first written reference to quilting in Europe. I just now checked my French poetry anthologies and could not locate copy of the Lay. I read French, though Old French is a stretch for me these days. I will try to locate copy. Surely there are French scholars and readers on this list.

Off hand, I would think the word is not "courtepointe," but "contrepointe"is origin of the object for which we use the word "quilt."

My little etymological dictionary cites "cuilte contrepointe" which it traces to Latin "culcita puncta" (quilted mattress/cushion).

Yet I wonder if there are not earlier English references in discussions/descriptions/letters of battle gear, architecture, estate inventories of tapestries/curtains/wallhangings that draped stone walls to ward off the cold.

I cannot recall the sources right now (Some days I think it takes a village to make a good sentence!), but I recall such references in Middle English and, I'm reasonably sure, and Norman-French/Anglo-Norman. Chaucer, in 14th century, mentions the quilted padding that went beneath armor in most casual way.

I know quilting technique was used to make straw mattresses very early (early 12th century). The word for this bedding was "culcita," from Latin, meaning something like "cushion" today---actually "culcita puncta" ("puncta from verb meaning to stab, puncture, or "prick." (Anyone who has ever seen the Bachs' music might have noted the little "points" above some notes or passages (point/counterpoint). These were called "prikken.")

In Old French it was "cuilt" or "cuilte." Then the Normans and/or by then Anglo-Normands, who regularized the "q" sound as "qu", referred to the same thing as "quilte." These mattresses were sometimes hung on walls of Great Hall during day.

Of course, Rose Wilder Lane treats the European discovery of the Saracens' quilted battle garments as one of the by-products of the crusades that revolutionized battlegear, permitting European knights at last to shed their plate armor in favor of the chain mail armor employed by the victorious Saracens, whose swift and agile horses permitted them to outmaneuver the huge battlehorses required to carry a fully armored European knight. She gives no specific sources, however, and in general tends toward a romantic view of the history of quilting.

She attributes the quilting of skirts not to the need to provide warmth, but to provide a sufficiently strong support for the jewels and beading that became a fashion in Spanish and Portuguese courts in early Renaissance as result of explorations of New World. In one of the letters of Elizabeth I, about her Scottish thorn Mary, I think, Eliz. mentions that she had told her dressmaker to add yet another layer of fabric to a silk petticoat because the "adornments" sagged and pulled on the fabric--thus supporting Lane's claim. Much later period, of course, than one you are discussing.

Anyway, did anyone ever come up with answers to the query?

And how do I know this about "quilte" and "prikken"? Well, anyone who has ever taught Spenser's "Faery Queen" to a class of college sophomores learns a few things to divert. The poem begins, "A gentile knight came prykken cross the plaine," and then the scarcely veiled snickers ensue in the classroom. And, of course, earlier there is Chaucer who likens the young squire in the "Prologue" to the "Canterbury Tales" to the little birds that cannot sleep at night "so pryketth hem nature in hir courages."

Unfortunately, when one ages and needs plain words like "needle" and "run" and "cat," those words often elude them. I have found, however, that etymology precludes that with words that have turned naughty. To this day, I bite my lips to keep from laughing when someone talks about "coping skills."

Inquisitive in a Low-IQ state, Gail


Subject: Quilts for Vets/color-coded laundry From: KareQuiltaol.com 

Just caught site of a quilt on the bed of an injured soldier in U.S. News & world Report, November 29, 2004, page 43. The article doesn't mention the quilt so don't know if it was family-made or made by one of the quilt groups making quilts for returning vets.

Also, on book TV today Willard Randall, author of a new book "Alexander Hamilton: A Life", talked about "color coded laundry hanging on lines" used to send signals during the Revolutionary War -- in the Boston area, I believe. The whole thing went by so fast that was all I was able to capture. Don't know if it is actually mentioned in the book itself. Has anyone ever heard this particular story before?

Karen Alexander


Subject: courtepointe From: Daniele Seyrig <d.seyrigwanadoo.fr> 

Here is what I found (using books on hand , I can try more if necessary )It is very difficult for me to translate the grammar terms from French to English Please excuse me if all this seems a bit unclear . I will forward the french text to anyone of you who might want it . From Dictionnaire etymologique de la langue franE7aise : Courtepointe : see couette. Couette (ou coite from latin culcitta wich gav e coilte or coite ) with an entry courtepointe: XII th c (12th c ) from coite-pointe wich was mixed with the adjective courte (pointe being the passed participe of the verb poindre) meaning a quilted coverlet ( couverture piquE9e) .Was also called contre-pointe in the XVIth c. (16th c).The fact that it could be both courte and contre wich seem to be oppoed as to their meaning comes from the fact that the stitches are very short and unite two opposite sides of the bedcover .

From Grand Larousse en 5 vol . Courtepointe :( from ancient french coute , meaning feather bed and the passed participe of the verb poindre meaning to stitch or to stab .) stitched ( quilted ) and wadded bedcover In french in the Larousse the terms used are "couverture piquee et ouatE9e"

BTW I have a couverture piquee that is filled with feathers andwich I foun d in the south of the Auvergne . This one is a whole cloth quilt made of red satin fabric . I did not know down or feathers were used in quilted coverlets before I found it in the house . I knew of ederdowns only .Now i am wondering about the wadding used at the time . May I ask why you need this explanation . Are you working on French quilts  ? Daniele 


Subject: Re: courtepointe From: "Karen Evans

No, I'm researching medieval quilts and am trying to track down the first use of the term.


Karen Evans 


Subject: OT: stand-up eye glass case From: "Marcia Kaylakie"

OK, I know this is quite a bit off topic, but if you put it in the light  that I need my glasses in order to quilt or applique, has anyone ever  heard of a glasses case or holder that stands upright and can be put on  a desk or table? I thought Levingers had done one a few yers ago, but  alas ...not in the cureent catalogue! Can anyone help with this one? I  sure would like Santa to bring me one for Christmas! Thanks, Marcia

Marcia Kaylakie, AQS Certified Appraiser Austin, TX  www.texasquiltappraiser.com 


Subject: Re: OT: stand-up eye glass case From: RAGLADYaol.com 

http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/crafting/article/0,1789,HGTV_3352_1978799,00.html Make yourself

http://www.weddinghelpers.com/personalizedgrmsmnleathergoodspg1.html Leather case $$

Gloria ragladyaol.com


Subject: Re: eye glass case From: patkyserhiwaay.net Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:22:12 -0600 (CST) X-Message-Number: 1

MArcia, I have a metal "gold" stand up eye case that sits on my desk all the time, looks nice, is lined with felty stuff and has a pedstal base. And is monogrammed too! Got it from Lillian Vernon about twenty years ago. Good luck! Pat in Alabama 


Subject: Historic Dutch skirt (long) From: "Christine Thresh" <christinewinnowing.com> 

I just read a very interesting post on the About.com quilting forum. You can read it and see two pictures of the skirts (you can read the posts without being a member of the forum) at:


Or you can read an excerpt here. It was posted by Marianne. It tells of her historic find. She added an URL in PDF format (27 pages) giving some history.

Christine Thresh


Marianne said:

Today I was in an antique market and the was a man with a lot of different stuff in boxes. I love to rummage around and found a big new sheet with a nice blue and white print that will work great as a backing. When i took it I saw in the corner of my eyes a piece of patched fabric (not a common sight here) and when I saw in orange stiched "5 may 1946" (The Netherlands were liberated on the 5th of may 1945)I picked it up very quickly. Some years a go I read a long article about skirts that were made in crazy patch work style and meant to become a tradional dress at the national celebration of the liberation. Most colors used where red, white and blue (our nation flag) and orange (color of the monarchy). It was even a political symbol for unity in diversity. That had to do with the way society was organised before the war but it would go a bit far to explain. Anyway, the force behind this 'movement' was a woman who was in the resistance and took in people who had to go in hiding. Her family was caught and she lost two sons and her husband. She made even a tour in the United States with these skirts. I'll attach a photo of her in New York. The other picture shows two skirts in a museum. Mine is very simular to the right one. The patches are sewn on a foundation, the seams are folded inside and with white thread and a straight stich is sewn very close to the edge. (It wasn't made by a quilter, I can tell for sure LOL.) But I'm very happy to have found this piece of history.


............................................................................ .. In response to many posts congratulating her, Marianne said:

Thanks for the interest. It's always nice to share something on this forum. The idea came from an experience Mies Boissevain had while she was locked in a cell waiting for a transport during the war, the situation beeing very grim. She received a laundry bag with some items, among which was a small shawl made of fabrics that were familiar to her (from family members but also from the resistance). This was very important to her but also gave a bond between the women when she shared the stories about the fabrics. The symbolism after the war was multiple, make new from old, rebuilding the country, against divisions between the people (religiously, politically) woman of all backgrounds would swap and work together. Mies Boussevain was a feminist who felt that the woman had a important role at home as well in the public life.The only 'rule' for the patch work skirt was the hem. That was made from solid triangles with the point upwards. Each year they were supposed to embroider the date on another triangle. It was quite popular during the first years after the war, 4000 were registered. I think very few remain because we didn't really have a patchwork/quilting tradition. The black and white picture is made on the Women's International Exhibition in New York in 1949. She even got to speak to Eleonor Roosevelt.


Subject: Applique Quilt on e-Bay From: KareQuiltaol.com 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category2221&item3763939181& rd1

I have never seen what appears to be a hollyhock-like quilt before. Is this a kit quilt? Anyone recognize it?

Karen Alexander


Subject: Re: Applique Quilt on e-Bay From: aol.com Date: 

It sure looks like a kit quilt...anyone with more expertise on this subject have information?

Karen Evans


Subject: Re: Applique Quilt on e-Bay From: "Julia D. Zgliniec" <rzglini1san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 14:14:58 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5

Dear QHL, The quilt is pictured in Brackman's Encyclopedia of Applique, pg. 157, #80.48 Four Baskets, published in Needlecraft Magazine.

As I celebrate Thanksgiving this year, - I am thankful for the wonderful people quilting has brought into my life.

Regards, Julia Zgliniec


Subject: Re: Applique Quilt on e-Bay From: "J. G. Row" 

In my collection is a cross stitch and embroidered dresser scarf on linen that is done in the same colors and design elements as that applique quilt. I wonder if they came from the same design house. If not they are surely from the same era and design tradition. I can see them in the same bedroom, "en suite."


Subject: Gee's Bend (NPR) From: "Anita G. Solomon" <solo57worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:11:18 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7

FYI, On NPR's All Things Considered today, there was a new report by Debbie Elliot on the Gee's Bend quilters. The audio link and some images can be found at this link:


Anita/NYC ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: Gee's Bend (NPR) From: "J. G. Row" <JudyGrowpatmedia.net> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:40:33 -0500 X-Message-Number: 8

The image of the quilt in the NPR link that Anita sent sure doesn't look like the Gees Bend quilts in the book or the exhibition. It looks like a quilt that could come right out of the myriad quilt design books being published these days -- right down to the color matched sashing and borders. It looks like a quilt that any one of the 120 members of my quilt guild could have entered in our show in October. I don't think the Gees Bend quilters are as isolated or poor as they were before they were "discovered."

But isn't this what always happens when an isolated group's indigenous art is brought into the mainstream? The art becomes self conscious and morphs into what the masses really want to see -- safety and easy images.

Judy, aka the Ringoes Kid judygrowpatmedia.net


Subject: Re: qhl digest: November 27, 2004 From: Susan Riley <blackeyedsewsanyahoo.com>

Karen: there was a children's fiction book on this subject that went out of print; I knew another HAD been written and just located the title. Redcoats & Petticoats by Katherine Kirkpatrick is the title. The following is a blurb from Amazon: "Basing the book on true incidents and real people of the Revolutionary War, Kirkpatrick recreates the actions of a Patriot spies begun by Robert Townsend and assisted by strong-willed, cool-headed Nancy Strong in the little town of Setauket, New York; Nancy used her clothesline and petticoats to signal the location, spotted by her son, of a whaleboat that would transport a vital letter about British battle plans directly to General George Washington." The original book was hard to locate even utilizing the MA interlibrary loan program when I was organizing a bibliography on the American history picturebook. Susan Riley Hingham MA


Subject: Re: Applique Quilt on e-Bay From: "Sharon's" <sstarknni.com> 

I have a quilt that is very close to identical with this one, with the exception that the eBay one has added pink blossoms in several places - at the center of the side borders, and in the flower baskets. I must say that I prefer mine, with a little less pink. But they are alike enough in design and fabrics that I would say they are from a kit.

Sharon Stark Sharon's Antiques: Vintage Fabrics http://www.rickrack.com


Subject: applique quilt on e-bay From: "Rosie Werner" <rwernerrconnect.com>

The Old Fashioned "Four Basket" Design Quilt is offered as a kit in  Needlecraft Company's catalog "Needlecraft Embroidery and Fancywork  Book of Materials". It is #C1186 and is described as follows: "With the easy-to-follow instructions we send, it is a pleasure to make  this lovely quilt. The soft pastel shades in applique against the  bleached background carry the very atmosphere of grandmother's spare  chamber. Bleached sheeting, size 81x100 inches, stamped with applique  and quilting pattern, stamped applique patches in yellow, blue, rose,  orchid, pink and green with blue bias-binding for edge. A real bargain  for $4.49." Unfortunately, this catalog is not dated. Rosie (who's in the middle of a quilt kit project) from Minnesota ------_NextPart_000_0039_01C4D582.D43EB280--


Subject: Stand up glasses case From: "Kathy Moore" <kathymooreneb.rr.com> 

Happy holidays, everyone.

In reference to Marcia Kaylackie's request:

"has anyone ever heard of a glasses case or holder that stands upright  and can be put on a desk or table? I thought Levingers had done one a  few yers ago, but alas ...not in the cureent catalogue! Can anyone help  with this one?"

My son-in-law has a neat one he uses for his glasses. It stands on his  desk. I think he got it at Lenscrafters!

Call them and see if they have any? And let us know what you learn.

Kathy Moore Lincoln, NE ------_NextPart_000_0091_01C4D588.5F91B670--


Subject: standup eye glasses case summary From: "Marcia Kaylakie" <

Once again, thank you all! I received many websites with stand up eye  glasses cases and most of them had fleece lining, which makes sense from  a scratch resistant standpoint. Didn't find one in leather but am still  looking. I appreciate everyone's imput on this. I am just to the point  that daily life doesn't happen without the reading "goggles", as my  mother calls them. Unfortunately, I am not a good candidate for any type  of corrective surgery, so must endure a while longer in this state. I  coudn't master bifocal contact lenses; they didn't work well for  applique on me. Hope you all are having a wonderful holiday season.  Cheers! Marcia

Marcia Kaylakie, AQS Certified Appraiser Austin, TX  www.texasquiltappraiser.com



Subject: Re: standup eye glasses case summary From: RAGLADYaol.com

http://www.weddinghelpers.com/personalizedgrmsmnleathergoodspg1.html Scroll down to the middle of the page where the stand up leather eye glasses case is shown... and where it can be ordered.

Gloria ragladyaol.com gingramtcainternet.com writes: > ---and the leather one if you find it?



Subject: Re: qhl digest: November 28, 2004 From: "Caron Carlson" <caronarr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:44:02 -0600 X-Message-Number: 3

About the eyeglass case.... check this one out



Subject: True Confessions 101 From: Gail Ingram <gingramtcainternet.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:46:27 -0600 X-Message-Number: 4

Well, this is it, gang: I will ALWAYS start afresh in replying to email!

A lesson that ought to be unforgettable.

Three things before taking my cystitusy cat to vet and replacing the glasses I lost yesterday:

First: the political commentary was intended to be private. Second: the personal commentary was intended to be private. Third: the material on M.K.'s work was intended to be private.

Ever had a cat with cystitus and no vet answers phone? Ever lost your glasses on same day? Ever had the sink stop on same day as above two? Ever had a skunk under your automobile on evening of same day so you dare not go to p.o. Until animal vacates premises----at 12:00am! I'd had a lonnnnnng day and apologize.

As I head out door with yowling cat, clear sink, no skunk, and appt to select frames for new glasses, I'm crossing my fingers it will be a better day.

Am counting on it!

As one of my friends says, "Gawd!! <g>



Subject: holly hocks From: "Charlotte Bull" <charloumo-net.com> 

Brackman's Applique book also offers a specific Holly Hock quilt from Mountain Mist on p177 #90.33.

I have the pattern for the corner Basket Block (somewhere, I just don't remember where!) as I recall making it (with a few adjustments) for a Basket Sampler 12 years ago. The interwoven basket fascinated me. The flowers were quite unique too. I was not thinking "holly hocks" at the time but I can see the connection. Thanks for reminding me of this block.

Gray, cold, rainy, company gone, so I'll go look for it and have some random fun! cb


Subject: Re: qhl digest: November 28, 2004 From: Susan Riley <blackeyedsewsanyahoo.com>

Subject: Re: Clothesline Signals From: Susan Riley blackeyedsewsanyahoo.com Date: Monday, November 29, 2004 Karen, and all. I love to find a little tidbit to spark my interest and this did! One thing I have never associated the term 'clotheslines' with is wrestling and also utilizing the word as a verb! Both were a definite surprise! In Little Neck (Long Island) there was the Setauket Spy Ring, who gathered information about British troop movements, which they passed on to General Washington by an elaborate system of codes that sometimes depended upon what the women hung on their clotheslines. From a variety of sources I've discovered the color black was important-ie, black slips;handkerchiefs were also important, as well as the manner in which the clothes were hung.

"There was no CIA during the Revolutionary War, but the rebels had a very good espionage system nonetheless. Church bells would ring at odd hours, petticoats hung from clotheslines in odd ways, children passed "play" notes to each other ... all of these being signals from inside Boston to the Sons of Liberty in the suburbs." Joy of Trivia, Bernie Smith 1976

Enjoy your holiday preparations~Susan Riley


Subject: missed all of you From: "Velia Lauerman" <velialivehotmail.com> 

Have moved to Hudson Michigan from Wayne,Michigan. The house was built in 1872. over 2000 sq ft. Planning weekend retreats. We can quilt to our hearts content this coming spring. We can take a visit to the Allen Michigan the antique capital of Michigan. Bought an 1800 crib for $45. what a buy. Lost my contact with you in August. Hope to be able to chat again. Embroidered Victorian Ladies in red workwith a different technique and used many different flosses in red. Have to create another as my daughter will not let it out of her house. Velia Lauerman 108 North st. , Hudson,Michigan49247



Subject: Needlecraft kit From: "Jan Drechsler" <quiltdocadelphia.net>

The e-bay kit quilt is described in part as:

'Light scalloped to border.' [sic]

Rather than a scalloped border, or rounded edge style, the seller uses this phrase to mean wavy or rippled border or it isn't flat on the edges. Hmmmmm.

Thanks for all the kit info and Brackman pattern #.

Jan -- Jan Drechsler NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: quiltdocadelphia.net

Quilt Restoration; Quilting teacher www.sover.net/~bobmills


Subject: Re: Needlecraft kit From: "Sharon Stark" <sstarknni.com> 

Have posted to the eboard http://vintagepictures.eboard.com pictures of my 4 baskets applique, where you can note the lightly scalloped edge, and the difference in placement of flowers from the eBay quilt.

Select quilts tab.

Sharon Stark Sharon's Antiques: Vintage Fabrics http://www.rickrack.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: Needlecraft kit From: "J. G. Row" <JudyGrowpatmedia.net> 

Spurred on by Sharon's post I have posted a photo of the dresser scarf I previosly mentioned which looks as though it could have been made to be en suite with the "hollyhock" quilt. It has the 4 baskets (plus 2 in the center of the longs sides) the same square reserves at the corners, and the same basic coloration. This was not counted thread work, but none of the pre-printing is to be seen, even after pushing stitches aside.

http://vintagepictures.eboard.com It is the last posted under the quilt tab.

Judy, aka the Ringoes Kid judygrowpatmedia.net


Subject: Re: standup eye glass case From: Laura Robins-Morris <lrobinsfhcrc.org> 

OK, I admit it - I'm cheap. I have those drug-store readers laying all around the house but never heard of or thought of a holder. But I'm way too cheap to buy a nice leather holder, and my first thought was - a mug, with soft lining. I have acquired several pretty mugs (tall and thin-ish with lovely floral designs, Dunoon Stoneware, made in Scotland, available in lots of museum shops and garden places), but I don't dring coffee or tea. So I'm going to line them with fleece or felt (maybe with a little cuff over the edge to hold it in place) and use them for my glasses. No more scratched lenses. Thanks for introducing the topic! Laura in Seattle


Subject: small and lovely From: "Lucinda Cawley" <lrcawleycomcast.net> 

I found two short diversions from the PA Turnpike on Sunday. the Allentown (PA) Art Museum has an exhibit called Toiles for All Seasons. One small gallery displays: Medallions in Antique Style, Monuments of Egypt, The Garden of Love, Firds and Squirrels, The Bird Catcher and Diane designed by Huet and Diane at the Hunt, Diane and Endymion, Pastoral (The Seasons), The Four Elements (wonderful dark blue printed on yellow) and Childrens Games by various designers. With two exceptions all of the textiles are mounted without plexiglass so that you can see them perfectly. The Museum gift shop has repro fabrics by P&B and there's a catalogue, also called Toiles for All Seasons.. You can find it discounted on amazon.com. The second stop was at the Schwenkfelder Library in Pennsburg to see Candace's latest effort "Lo How the Rose Ere Blooming." There is only one quilt (a red and green late 19th century applique), but all sorts of wonderful examples of the rose motif in Schwenkfelder art and needlework. My favorite is a watercolor of two roses with the faces of young lovers kissing ( does that make sense?). If you are in the neighborhood you should visit. Cinda on the Eastern Shore


Subject: Baltimore Museum of Art exhibit From: "Lucinda Cawley" <lrcawleycomcast.net>

The following is from the Baltimore Museum of Art website. The laces are from the collection of the Cone sisters whose twentieth century masterpieces anchor the BMA collection. I don't know anything about lace, but I'll go and learn. Cinda on the Eastern Shore

March 23, 2005 - September 18, 2005 In addition to their world-renowned collection of works by Matisse and Picasso, Baltimore sisters Claribel and Etta Cone collected more than 200 laces from the 16th through 19th centuries.

Often purchased between visits to museums and galleries in Florence and Paris, these laces form an impressive collection in their own right with outstanding examples of Flemish, Chantilly, Valenciennes, and Point d'Angleterre laces, among many others. This exhibition will be the first broad survey of this collection, examining the different techniques and characteristics of each style of lace.

In conjunction with the exhibition, the BMA will host Lace Day on April 2, a celebration of the art of lacemaking with demonstrations by the Chesapeake Region Lace Guild, followed by a Berman Textile Lecture in the afternoon.



Subject: Re: Historic Dutch skirt From: "Judy Anne" <anne_jworldnet.att.net> 


Thanks so much for the information about the Dutch patchwork skirt. I have printed out the article referenced. I also did a search on nationale feestrok and found this wonderful picture of one.


Judy Anne

>>Subject: Historic Dutch skirt (long) From: "Christine Thresh" <christinewinnowing.com> 

I just read a very interesting post on the About.com quilting forum. You can read it and see two pictures of the skirts (you can read the posts without being a member of the forum) at:


Or you can read an excerpt here. It was posted by Marianne. It tells of her historic find. She added an URL in PDF format (27 pages) giving some history.

Christine Thresh<<


Subject: Re: Historic Dutch skirt From: "Christine Thresh" <christinewinnowing.com> 

Judy Ann, What a great picture. I am so glad you followed up on this.

Christine Thresh


Subject: book From: "weemsjm" <weemsjmearthlink.net> 


Do any of you all have a clue to a descent price to pay for a first  addition copy of Quilts Their Story and How to Make Them. The book is in used but pretty good shape I just would not want to  really over pay. It has no damage to the inside but does have a little  dimpling on the binding in two small spots. I also would like to know if anyone has an idea of what fabric are  common in England or Germany. We might be moving to one or the other late next spring or early summer  and I would like to know if I should stock up on cottons or if I will be  able to by them there.




Subject: Re: book From: Dana at Material Pleasures 

Hi Jeff, I got mine a few years ago for Mother's Day...It was on eBay with a reserve...didn't meet the reserve, but my husband haggled the seller down to $100 plus shipping. Only 125 copies were made of the First edition...mine is #122. My copy is in good condition, some wear, bumped corners and spine and the pages are 'uneven'. The pages with the color plates, stick out a fraction further than the other pages. I love my copy. Good luck, I hope it turns out for you. My best, Dana

weemsjm <weemsjmearthlink.net> wrote: Howdy,

Do any of you all have a clue to a descent price to pay for a first addition copy of Quilts Their Story and How to Make Them. The book is in used but pretty good shape I just would not want to really over pay. It has no damage to the inside but does have a little dimpling on the binding in two small spots. I also would like to know if anyone has an idea of what fabric are common in England or Germany. We might be moving to one or the other late next spring or early summer and I would like to know if I should stock up on cottons or if I will be able to by them there.




Subject: RE: Cinda's Adventures From: "Teddy Pruett"What would we do without Cinda's generous travelogues? When I read this beautifully poetic:

<<The second stop was at the Schwenkfelder Library in Pennsburg to see Candace's latest effort "Lo How the Rose Ere Blooming." >>

I couldn't help but translate it into my local lifestyle. If I were particularly lucky, I might find an event such as "Lo, How Low Doth My Truck Bog in the Mud," or perhaps "Lo, Harken to the sound of the Alligator's Song," or "Lo, How the Deer Doth Run from the Hunter." "Lo, How Doth the Yankee Bird Returneth to the Warmth."

Yall have to excuse me. I';ve been under a lot of stress lately. Envious of all the wonders this world holds - and offers in other areas of the country, I remain a faithful member of the Ringo Gang, Teddy Pruett in "Bubba Country" of North Florida.


Subject: Fabric in the UK From: Sally Ward <sallytattersntlworld.com> 

> I also would like to know if anyone has an idea of what fabric are common in England or Germany. > We might be moving to one or the other late next spring or early summer and I would like to know if I should stock up on cottons or if I will be able to by them there.

The bulk of 'quilters' fabric available here in the UK is American import, and you will find that most shops are smallish in your terms and tend to gravitate to particular styles because they could not survive carrying a wide range. Many quilters have to rely on traders coming to the larger shows in order to see a range of fabrics. And you will find your fabric expensive over here compared to at home. I would not be surprised to see good quality fabric at £8 - £10, (nearly $15-20 per metre), more for specials like Hoffman, Japanese, or some batiks. Dedicated hunters can source fabric cheaper there may be a compromise on style or quality.

However, your dollar is very weak against the pound at the moment, so I can buy the style of fabric I want online from the US and have it sent over (most recent parcel took only 5 days) and still make a saving, so you could come empty handed and buy from home if needs be.

Sally W Yorkshire, UK


Subject: Re: book From: Judy Kelius <

I sold a first edition on an eBay auction about a year and a half ago for $110 - it was a rebound ex-library copy in very good condition. There is a first edition with the original binding on eBay now for $199 (search on Marie Webster and then look at items found in stores). Hope that helps.


Subject: Marie Webster book From: 

Dear QHLers,

Here is some info on the different editions of the Marie Webster book. Dana is talking about the De Luxe first edition, in which every copy was numbered . It has a blue binding 93 different from the regular first edition, which has a tan cover. The DeLuxe Edition was originally boxed and the edges of the pages may be gilded. Copies of the blue De Luxe edition are very rare.  Jeff's posting is not clear as to which binding he is referring to-- it's pr obably the regular tan one. Several thousand copies were printe d, so it's not as rare. My 1915 copy, published by Doubleday, is a slightly greenish-tan (compared to the darker tan of the 1929 version) with four different quilt d esigns in a darker version of the same greenish-tan carefully lined up on the cover .

In 1929 Marie reprinted the book herself so the publisher is stated as "Mari e D, Webster, Marion, Indiana." My copy of this version is the same as the 1915 version EXCEPT that it has a darker tan cover with those same quilt designs done in DARK chocolate.

My 1943 version was published by Tudor Publishing Company New York, has a light "bluish" cover and a yellow dust jacket sporting Marie's delightful "Keepsake Quilt" (which I have never seen a copy of in fabric) in full color . (The caption describing this pattern in the 1990 reprint of the book by the granddaughter reads: "The sunbonnet lassies suggest an outing or a call from playmates on the morrow. These lassies may be dressed in bits of the gowns of the litt le maid, and the quilt thus becomes a 'keepsake quilt.' ")

My 1948 version of Marie's book was published by Tudor Publishing Company Ne w York, has a grayish cover and a green dust jacket sporting Marie's Poppy quilt in pink and green.

Try searching http://www.abebooks.com/docs/RareBooks/ using author and key word quilts in the advanced search. There are several copi es listed, albeit, not all are the 1915 edition.

Good luck!

Karen Alexander Press Secretary The Quilters Hall of Fame, located in Marion, Indiana, in the restored home of quilt designer and author, Marie D. Webster


Subject: Query (not about quilts especially) From: Gail Ingram

This is for those on the list who can remember Al Capps and Li'l Abner, Daisy Mae, and crew of cartoons.

Remember the little guy who always had a dark cloud over his head and WAS a black cloud over everyone else's head? Maybe Joe something?

What was his whole name?

What was the trick in getting rid of him?



Subject: Re: Query (not about quilts especially) From: "Christine Thresh"

Joe Btfsplk ----- 


Subject: Re: Query (not about quilts especially) From: Joan Kiplinger

Gail -- that was a swarm of flies over his head. Name escapes me at the moment.


Subject: Re: Query (not about quilts especially) From: Kris Driessen

Here he is:


I think you got rid of him by pronouncing his last name (a Bronx cheer, sometimes spelled pthfthhhtttph!!!)



Subject: Re: Query (not about quilts especially) From: "Karen Evans" 

Sounds like Superman's enemy Mr. Mtzlplk, who would only go back to his own dimension when forced to pronounce his name backwards....:)

Karen Evans



Subject: RE: Query From: "Barbara Vlack" <

Joan, the character with the flies overhead --- I think may have been Pigpen from Peanuts. VBG

Barb Vlack cptvdeosbcglobal.net


Subject: RE: Query From: Joan Kiplinger <jkipncweb.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2

Difficult to remember all the odd characters and to whom they belong. Somehow I associate this one with older comic strips such as Dick Tracy with BO Plenty.


Subject: Re: Marie Webster book From: Dana at Material Pleasures 

Hi Karen, Thank you! I was questioning to myself why the one referred to on ebay was different than mine and yet still a 1st ed. Seems even a little more special now! Time to go kiss the hubby for it again! My best, Dana


Subject: Cartoon character From: pkeirsteadcomcast.net Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 1

Nope--the character with the swarm of flies over his head is Pigpen, from Peanuts.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Peggy Keirstead


Subject: Re: Cartoon character From: Joan Kiplinger <

The gent I'm thinking is from an old comic strip -- 30s-40s -- and I'm wondering if it might be some of the flies or fleas that accompanied BO Plenty or maybe another Dick Tracy character. But definitely a guy with a constant swarm over his head.


Subject: Re: qhl digest: December 03, 2004 

Gail My husband Don saw the drawing and immediately said JOE BEEFSTEAK! Guess we are from a really older generation. But our world would certainly be a better one if we still had SCHMOOS!

Trish Herr


Subject: Roses and Tulips From: Barb Garrett <

Although it was 40 something degrees outside, it was perfect weather to view stitched and painted roses and tulips in southeastern PA.

First stop on today's trip was the Mennonite Historians of Eastern Pennsylvania (MHEP) in Harleysville. Their new exhibit -- Oh, the Tulip: The Tulip Theme in Mennonite Decorative Arts -- opened today with a craft show featuring contemporary artists working in traditional Pennsylvania German style.

Highlights of the exhibit for me were the 8 show towels and 5 or 6 quilts featuring tulips. The show towels were at eye level -- easy to study -- the quilts were hung high -- so you could see them, but not study them close up. All featured beautiful workmanship and traditional PA German colors. Tulips were also featured on metal hinges, furniture, painted tinware, imported dishes (spatterware, Gaudy Dutch), and of course fracturs. A wonderful exhibit, and the Historians are very careful about documentation. Most everything is identified by maker, location, church membership, date, with good signage. The exhibit runs until June 2005, and the craft show runs through December 31.

For those visiting for the first time, the permanent exhibit is also interesting. It includes several woven coverlets, again hanging full out like the quilts, very high so they are easy to view, but not study up close. This link is for their main page -- then click on exhibits. It's easy to find just off route 113 in southeastern PA.


Second stop on my botanical tour was the Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center in Pennsburg. Their exhibit, Lo How a Rose E'er Blooming, has already been described by Cinda, and I second her recommendation that it's well worth the visit. And again, the signage is well done and informative. While to the casual visitor, the 2 exhibits might look alike -- both featuring fractur, textiles and china with flowers either stitched or painted -- it was most interesting for me to compare the use of the 2 floral images in similar situations. This exhibit ends May 1, 2005.

While I went to the Schwenkfelder to see the roses, I discovered that Candace and her wonderful staff have outdone themselves for the holidays. Upstairs is a wonderful display of teddy bears -- dressed and accessorized by friends of the Library and available for silent auction until February 5, 2005. The creators all started with the same bear, but then their imaginations took off. Included are a bee keeper, Hawaiian lei maker, Philadelphia Mummer, Goshenhoppen girl, Santa bear, Belsnickle bear, Red Hat bears, and lots more. I think about 50 bears -- a real treat.

Their Christmas Putz was next. Putz is a Pennsylvania German term which describes a miniature scene at the base of a Christmas tree, popular in this area during the first half of the 1900s. Many in my generation had train yards at Christmas -- a descendant of the Putz. Each year the Heritage Center displays one for the holidays, and this year it features 3 scenes. The desert scene represents the Near East 2000 years ago and features a camel train, the city of Bethlehem, shepherds and various animals. The urban setting of the zoo is in the early 1900s. It reminds me of the Philadelphia Zoo of my childhood and was used to introduce children to exotic animals from foreign places. The early 1900 farm scene includes barnyard, gardens, laundry, animals and people. This exhibit ends January 30, 2005.

There is also an exhibit of locally handcrafted Belsnickels (sort of a PA German Santa Claus). These are interesting works of art, and are on display thru February 27, 2005. And for first time visitors, the permanent exhibit is very interesting and well done. Their website follows, click on exhibits for more information.


So many flowers to view, I hardly noticed that it was cold outside and the flowers have gone into winter mode. I do hope you can schedule a visit to the area.

Barb in southeastern PA


Subject: an addition to the wish list From: "Lucinda Cawley"

I read in the car. I do this in self defense because when riding with DH John it's best not to know what's going on. Last week I read "Illinois Amish Quilts: Sharing Threads of Tradition" by Janice Tauer Wass. I bought the book at AQSG but hadn't even looked at it until Thanksgiving weekend. The quilts are from the Illinois State Museum. The photography is great (overall and detail of almost every quilt). What it unusual in a book about Amish quilts is the amount of information available about the makers. Most of the quilts origniated in the Amish community in Arthur, I and came to the museum with good provenance. In several cases a number of quilts made by the same woman over a period of many years are included. Family and neighborhood relationships are explained so that the reader can appreciate how one woman's work might have influenced others. There's also information on possible sources of and sharing of patterns. It's absolutely fascinating. I also appreciated the attention that is paid to the quilting designs. Every caption points out the quilting as well as the fabric, dimensions etc. There's an appendix containing line drawings of many of the quilting patterns. This is a wonderful book. I really wanted to go crazy with a highlighter, but it's just too beautiful to mark up. It's crammed with good information. I learned why cotton sateen is shiny, what brilliantine is and other little tidbits I can haul out the next time one-upsmanship is required (VBG), There is no style of Amish quilt unique to Illinois, but there is (at least based on this collection) a distinctive look. I just got a mailing from the Illinois State Museum. You can order the book from them (215) 785-0037 or email bookordersmuseum.state.il.us. It's $24.95 in paperback. Cinda on the Eastern Shore


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