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Subject: An interesting quilt from the 30s From: "Barbara Vlack" 

I just received a quilt I won on an eBay auction. It is a reversible quilt that is all hand pieced and hand quilted. One side is allover Diamond in Square blocks made from homespun plaids and chambrais fabrics. I would date that side to the early 1900s.

The other side is SCRAPPY. Lots of 30s fabrics here! Not the cutesy 30s fabrics, but a lot of the uglies and/or larger prints. Perhaps some of these prints are even 40s and maybe I can stretch into the 50s. This side looks kind of crazy quilt-ish. The seller of this quilt offered that the scraps were fabric sewn into strips. Well, they were sewn into strips all right, but first they were HAND sewn into diamonds, which were then sewn into strips and the strips were sewn together to form the piece. It was all hand sewn and hand quilted on the diagonal.

It's a heavy quilt. Perhaps because the lining is not batting but rather a white twill cotton weave cloth. It may also be heavy because the diamonds were pieced, by hand mind you, onto a fabric foundation. The piecing of the fabric strips was willy nilly, no structured strata. Almost crazy pieced but with most of the fabric being in strips. Definitely a "use it up" approach.

There is one novelty fabric that pops up every now and then that intrigues me. It's like an I Spy game. I've been using my copy machine to capture the pieces I find so I can jigsaw them together to see the fabric. It has a Chinese character and some other figures, and there's a commentary about what "Confucius say ..." These are a riot ---- I've pieced together, "Confucius say: Girl who keep on toes stay away from heels." And "Confucius say: Man who get in stew is small potato." And "Confucius say: Tailor who love harem press plenty." "Woman listen w... (?) ... money talk." "Worker always ... (?)" This fabric is really funny. Has anyone ever seen this fabric? I'd love to know what a whole piece looks like.

I had no competition in the bidding for this item. It does need some minor repairs and a nice bath. It is not in pristine condition, but it is a fabric collector's dream.

I don't know the geographic origin of this quilt.

Barb Vlack cptvdeosbcglobal.net

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Subject: RE: Roses and Tulips From: "Candace Perry" 

Thanks Barb and Cinda for your generous plugs! I know the Mennonites also appreciate it...we little guys need all the help we can get... Just as an aside, there are at least two teddy bears in our show who are dressed as quilters. Very cute! They are available on silent auction. If you're anywhere near southeast PA, we'd love to see you and point you in the direction of more marvelous things to see. And good things to eat... Candace Perry Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg, PA www.schwenkfelder.com P.S. Acquired a very ratty 1890s 9-patch yesterday...in its heyday I believe it was quite funky. We have essentially have no 9-patches at this time so it will be representative til a better one comes along.

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Subject: Redwork Translation From: "Suzanne Cawley" 

Hi All!

I just purchased a redwork kitchen splasher which has a caption that I need translated. It shows a picture of a woman carrying a turkey on a platter to the dinner table where her husband is seated. It says "Kde se dobre dari tam se dobre vari". Is this Italian? What does it mean? Thanks in advance for any help.

Also, I learned a new word while reading a 1920 home economics book titled "Clothing: Choice, Care, Cost". The rustling noise made when wearing dresses of weighted silk is called "scroop". Thought that might be an interesting word to incorporate into quilt history lectures.....and have since found several references to it on the internet.

Suzanne Cawley In wild, wonderful West Virginia

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Subject: Re: Redwork Translation From: 

It's not Italian - Polish, perhaps? It sounds Eastern European or Slavic.

Karen Evans 

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Subject: Re: Redwork Translation From: "Monica MacDonald" 

Just did a google search on the phrase. It appears to be Czech. There is a phrase (apparently well-known, one site says "omnipresent") that is close: "Kde se PIVO vari, tam se dobre dari" which means "Where beer is brewed, they have it good." Another translation says "Where beer is brewed, there life is good." Couldn't find anything with your particular version of this phrase, though. Monica in Maine

> Hi All! > > I just purchased a redwork kitchen splasher which has a caption that I need > translated. It shows a picture of a woman carrying a turkey on a platter to > the dinner table where her husband is seated. It says "Kde se dobre dari > tam se dobre vari". Is this Italian? What does it mean? Thanks in advance > for any help.

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Subject: Re: Redwork Translation From: "Monica MacDonald" 

I got curious and started searching around some more and found a very interesting website: http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/ This is a Rosetta edition. If you enter a foreign word and select the "non-english" button, you can get translations for the word in any language it appears in. For example, "tam" means "there" in Czech, but it also gives the definition of "tam" in 8 other languages. Unfortunately, no definition is given in Czeck for "dobre". Maybe it is slang or just isn't in their scope of entries. Just for the heck of it, I entered "quilt" and selected "english" and wow, you get a huge amount of information. If you go down towards the end of the page, you can find how to say quilt in several different languages (including Pig Latin!). It even tells you obscure facts such as the word quilt is used about 175 times out of a sample of 100 million words written or spoken in English. Lots of pictures and quotes, too.

Monica in Maine

> Just did a google search on the phrase. It appears to be Czech. There is a > phrase (apparently well-known, one site says "omnipresent") that is close: > "Kde se PIVO vari, tam se dobre dari" which means "Where beer is brewed, > they have it good." Another translation says "Where beer is brewed, there > life is good." Couldn't find anything with your particular version of this > phrase, though. > Monica in Maine

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Subject: machine quilting From: Anne.Amerine

In the early days, owning a sewing machine was a status symbol. It was stated in the exhibit of machine quilting held a few years back at the Gene Autry Museum in California that woman sometimes machine quilted because the stitching would show - a status symbol!

Also, for those in the area, there is an enhibit at the Getty Museum now that has materials from the Orient, and western items that have oriental designs. There are a few textiles (English and French) dating to the 7th and 18th centuries, and a quilted skirt. I was struck that the stitching was all in the same (vertical) direction, not a running stitch. That meant that the stitches had to be placed one at a time! At first I couldn't figure out why anyone would do such a thing, but then it struck me that they were in line with the grain - and the drape - and that it was likely done to minimize the distortion under the weight of the skirt and thus to make the stitching stronger.

Anne Amerine Los Angeles anne.amerinengc.co ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: machine quilting From: Judy Schwender 

>a few textiles (English and French) dating to the 7th and 18th centuries

Did you perhaps mean 17th century?

>the stitching was all in the same (vertical) direction, not a running stitch.

I am not following you here. A running stitch is all in the same direction. Were the stitches like this:

l l l l l l l l l

instead of like this:

_ _ _ _ _ _ _

???

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Subject: RE: Redwork translation From: Margareta.Faust

Hi, This is what I make of the Czech phrase: 'Kde se dobre dari tam se dobre vari'

'Where it is cozy There there is good cooking'

Maybe the embroideress got the order of the two verbs 'darit  feel comfortable' ; 'varit cook' mixed up? The opposite order would be more logical! (dobrewell)

This kind of redwork or bluework splashers, as you call them, or wall hangings for the kitchen, were extremely popular in Europe up to the 1950s. They originated in Germany and then spread to Czechoslovakia and Poland, and also north to Sweden. A common feature is to incite the mistress of the house to cook well and keep her house tidy, then her husband will be pleased and happiness will reign. Not exactly feminist stuff!

There is an excellent German publication about these artefacts; I could come back with the reference next week! Margareta

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Subject: Getty exhibit From: "Amerine, Anne" <

Judy, Yes, the late 17th and 18th centuries. Sorry. Not a running stitch. Your picture is correct. I I I I, too. Tiny, tiny stitches in brown on gold satin. Anne Amerine Los Angeles anne.amerinengc.co ---------------------------- a few textiles (English and French) dating to the 7th and 18th centuries Did you perhaps mean 17th century? the stitching was all in the same (vertical) direction, not a running  stitch.  I am not following you here. A running stitch is all in the same  direction. Were the stitches like this: l l l l l l l l l instead of like this: _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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Subject: American Indian quilts From: EdithIdleman

Many months ago someone wrote wanting information about the quilting traditions of American Indians. Recently, I have received information concerning a project about quilting in the Chickasaw and Choctaw tribes. I would be happy to pass along the identity of the person involved if someone is interested. The contact information must be via private email. Just let me know of your interest.

Edie Idleman Bella Vista, AR

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Subject: Re: redwork translation From: Laura Robins-Morris 

What is a kitchen splasher? Laura

>I just purchased a redwork kitchen splasher which has a caption ... > > >

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Subject: RE: redwork translation - German book From: Margareta.Faust

Hi again, It's incredible how good a glass of champagne is for your memory! Now I remembered the title of the German book on wall hangings with texts  (SprFCche in German)

Trautes Heim GlFCck allein. Gestickte SprFCche fFCr Haus und  KFCche. von Eva Stille, Ursula Pfistermeister

published some years ago, wonderful illustrations, seems to be  available here and there on the net, try amazon DE! Could perhaps be interesting for those of you who work with PA German heritage - hi, Candace! Margareta

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Subject: bargain From: "Charlotte Bull" 

I picked up a bargain at my local flea market. A delightful c. 1890 top. Big squares of a delightful fabric alternating with a block that in 1884 was called New Four Patch by Farm & Fireside. Big simple squares of all those wonderful navy or indigo blues plus shirting lights etc. Machine pieced! But I bought it because someone had added much later (1930s-40s) a big wide strip of bright floral feedsack fabric. Basically just cut one bag in two lengthwise pieces and sewed them together and then sewed to one side only of the older top. And, the funny part, this was done by hand! I was so amused. The 1880s -1890s fabrics are in fantastically good condition. Just $15. Now, my decision: Do I subtract that feedsack border? Or do I leave it "as is" because it is a Funny Story?

I do collect Tops Only! I do not make quilts out of them. I found it easier to carry just tops when I was traveling & teaching fabric dating & quilt block ID-ing.

Oh yes, for $1 I got a zippie bag full of 1890s 3" blue squares! Also a few shirting squares. It paid to dig through dozens of bags of fabric scraps from the 1980s-1990s! I ended up giving a fabric dating lesson to two ladies in the flea market. They were experts in dishes and dolls! We each do our "thing"! cb

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Subject: Re: redwork translation From: "Beth Davis" 

Laura, Pat Cummings addresses what "Splashers" are on her website:http://www.quiltersmuse.com/Splasherhistoryandorder.htm

Basically, they are towels that kept walls from being splashed with soap and water. They were generally hung between in back of the sink or wash basin and the wall. they were embrodiered along with "tidies" which were used to protect chair backs.

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Subject: Canadian Quilt Study Group From: "Judy Lyons" 

The CQSG does not exist anymore and has not been active for many years. Judy Lyons AQS Certified Canadian Quilt Appraiser judy.lyonscogeco.ca

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Subject: Redwork Splashers From: Patricia L Cummings 

Just a quick word: "Kitchen splashers" were not limited to use in that area.

Splashers, often embroidered with Redwork motifs, usually with some water scene or another, were probably most often found/used in bedrooms. That is where a good part of the "washing up" occurred, with the use of a pitcher of water and a wash basin. In fact, bedrooms are where I have seen most splashers displayed within the historic homes that I have visited in New England, including but not limited to, the Calvin Coolidge Historic Site, and the Franklin Pierce Manse, to name several.

Best of the season to you!

Pat Cummings www.quiltersmuse.com

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Subject: Kris's quilt on the way to NY From: "Christine Thresh" 

I am sure everyone will be happy to know that the Chimney Sweep Friendship Block quilt for Kris and John is heading to New York. I mailed it today.

I revised the Chimney Sweep Block page: http://www.threshpublications.com/kris.html and added some (poor) pictures of the quilt. I hope Kris will take a good picture of it when it arrives at her place on Monday or Tuesday.

Thanks to all, Christine Thresh http://www.winnowing.com

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Subject: Re: Re Splashers/Pat C From: Jccullencrew

Laura, Pat Cummings addresses what "Splashers" are on her

Hi Pat, My, but you are a font of knowledge when it comes to fabrics and how they are used. I don't think I ever heard of splashers, but forty years or so ago the woman who sold us our house gave us a large, heavy, white porcelain wash basin that was in her mother's family. It had a lot of what looked like minerals adhered to the bottom, but after a lot of work, it came clean. I think it would look wonderful with a splasher behind it on the wall. Thanks for the idea. Hope all goes well with you and you have a wonderful holiday. Kind regards. Carol Grace

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Subject: Re: Kris's quilt on the way to NY From: Midnitelaptop

there just aren't enough thank yous in the world to tell you how wonderful you are Christine.....for pursuing this project to completion.... thanks too Karen Erlandson for putting the blocks together and to sally ann smith of new zealand for quilting it... jeanL

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Subject: RE: qhl digest: December 09, 2004 From: Julie Silber 

From Julie Silber: Hi Everyone, I received this notice/information from my friend Pat Ferrero. I HIGHLY Recommend that you all take a look ... This film is simply GREAT!

"Pat Ferrero's classic film, "Quilts in Women's Lives," is being featured on www.folkstreams.net during the month of December. http://www.folkstreams.net/film,37

These portraits of American quilt makers provide insights into the inspirations for their work, family, tradition, the joy of the creative process, the challenge of design, and how it has become a part of their daily lives. The 15 minute excerpt on www.folkstreams.net includes the sections on artist/teacher Grace Earl, the artist and Bulgarian immigrant Radka Donnell, and the African American quilter Nora Lee Condra. Contextual materials for the site were developed by quilter Jan Gessin.

"Quilts" was a ground breaking film used by folklorists, anthropologists, and historians of art and womens history that presented the lives, art, work and philosophy of ordinary women. in the days when few documentaries came from women filmmakers. The film won most of the major awards for independent films during the years after its release in 1981, including Emily Grand Prize, American Film Festival; 1st Place Fine Arts, San Francisco International Film Festival; Best of Festival, National Educational Film and Video Festival, New York International Film Festival, Margaret Mead Film Festival.

www.folkstreams.net is a film and video archive at the South Folklife Collection of the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. The mission of Folkstreams.net is to build a national preserve of documentary films about American folk or roots culture. Produced by independent filmmakers, these hard-to-find films give voice to the arts and experience of diverse American groups. They are streamed on the website together with background materials that highlight the history and aesthetic importance of the traditions and the films. Folkstreams.net makes these films easy to find and to see by video-streaming them on the Internet, and also provides in-depth and reliable contextual materials about the subjects and the filmmaking. Folkstreams.net also encourages alternative forms of filmmaking about subjects neglected by mainstream corporate media."

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Subject: Re: qhl digest: December 09, 2004 From: Kaytriplet

In a message dated 12/9/04 9:14:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, qhllyris.quiltropolis.com writes:

> I just purchased a redwork kitchen splasher which has a caption that I need > translated. It shows a picture of a woman carrying a turkey on a platter to > the dinner table where her husband is seated. It says "Kde se dobre dari > tam se dobre vari". Is this Italian? What does it mean? Thanks in advance > for any help. > >

For folks wanting translations of short phrases, the search engine www.altavista.com has a pretty good translator. You have a choice. You can go to the translator directly and enter the phrase and language, or you can type it in to the search and then ask it to translate the web site. There aren't a lot of languages on the direct translation page, so you are often better if you type it in for the search. And, it the site is from a particular country indicated by the extension in the URL such as www.xxx.UK, then it knows what language to translate it from automatically. I did this for you for your phrase, and here is what turned up, translated into English.

Kay Triplett

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Subject: splashers From: "Rosie Werner" 

Patricia is right about the splashers being used in the bedroom. I went  to boarding school in the 50's at Good Counsel Academy in Mankato, MN.  We all had splashers on the dressers next to our beds in the dorms. The  dressers had vertical posts on each side of them with a dowel connecting  them for attaching the splasher. We carried a basin and a glass of water  to our dresser, pulled a screen around us and washed up and brushed our  teeth with the water. The splasher prevented water splashing on the  wall. Ours, however, had no redwork embroidery on them. Those were the  days! Rosie

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Subject: Our common language From: Sally Ward 

The expression 'we washed up'. Do I take it this means personal washing? In the UK it would mean washing dishes, pots and pans. The personal version would be something like 'we washed', or 'we had a wash'.

Sally W

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Subject: Re: Our common language From: "Karen Evans" 

Hm. I tend to use "washing up" to mean "washing the dinner dishes," but I picked up the expression from an English friend. "Get cleaned up" tends to mean personal washing, while dinner clean up is "washing the dishes." I'm originally from western Pennsylvania and have spent my entire adult life in Massachusetts, so it's quite possible different parts of the country have different expressions.

Karen Evans

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Subject: Re: Our common language From: "Monica MacDonald" 

We use the expression 'washing up' here to mean either the dishes or ourselves. Monica (a Midwesterner living in Maine)

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Subject: Our common language From: Joan Kiplinger 

Ditto Monica in the Cleveland OH area although it's more likely to sound like warsh. 

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Subject: Embroidered blocks From: "Lucinda Cawley" 

What would be the most appropriate way to quilt an embroidered Flowers of the States quilt top? Cinda on the Eastern Shore

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Subject: machine quilting and question From: "Lucinda Cawley" 

earlymachinequilting.jpg (57021 bytes)To return to the discussion of early machine quilting. Take a look at this. (click on the thumbnail)

  

Anybody think that this quilt (no picture available) might be 20th century? 

Cinda on the Eastern Shore inside because of the rain

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Subject: Re: machine quilting and question From: Judy Kelius 

Definitely! The colors, not the pattern, date it. Plus although I have seen blanket stitching on mid 19th century pieces, it is usually very fine - this kind of blanket stitch is much more likely 1930s.

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Subject: Re: machine quilting and question From: "Margaret Geiss-Mooney" 

Good afternoon, fellow QHLers - I agree with 20th century being more  likely - what came to my mind were all of those butterfly appliquE9s with  black blanket stitching around their edges. Regards, Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator Professional Associate, AIC mgmooneymoonware.net

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Subject: Re: machine quilting and question From: "Sharon Stark" 

Cinda,

Looks like the machine quilting on the first is quite intricate, if not exactly expert by today's standards!

But the second one is definitely 1930's. Nobody would say that because they've seen whole-cloth quilts from the 18th century, their 1930's sateen quilt was of the same vintage. Almost every traditionally patterned quilt dates from somewhere AFTER it's first known occurrence - such as some of those we've discussed in conjunction with HIPV. BUT almost every traditional pattern has been almost continuously in use since it's original design, and as Judy said, the colors are the give-away. I challenge anyone to find that shade of Nile green pre 20th century!

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Subject: Re: Splashers From: charles woodford 

i was lucky enough to have purchased at auction about eight or nine "splashers" although I didn't know that's what they were called. After a few shows, customers soon enlightened me about their use, and one lady said that the language was Bohemian; another lady said "We don't like to say Bohemian; the language is Czech".

There. My fact for the year.

Barbara Woodford Historic American Quilts

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Subject: Re: Our common language From: "Laurie Magee & Tom Blajeski" 

In Wisconsin some of us might "warsh our hairs" as well. Laurie

Subject: [qhl] Our common language

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Subject: Early sewing machine quilting From: louise-b 

I finally dug out the Sept 04 The Quilter issue that had pictures of two quilts on p78 of hand pieced, machine appliqued and machine quilted quilts, circa 1860, that are in the Genesee Country Village & Museum in Mumford, NY. They were on display through October 2004.

The earliest machine quilted quilt I have seen pictures of was one made in 1849 using an Howe SM bought out in a wagon to Colorado. Unfortunately I cannot find the picture again but I thought it was in the original Vintage Quilts issue (97?)from McCalls. I think it was a Drunkard's Path as I was reading Pepper Cory's book on DP at the time and that caught my eye first. This was long before I started collecting antique and vintage sewing machines, BTW. (Perhaps someone else recalls this; I would love to have the reference.)

Louise Bequette -- in mid-Missouri

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Subject: RE: machine quilting From: louise-b 

Looked at the posting that started this topic and want to add to the quilting discussion. Treadleon.net is a list devoted to use of treadle and hand crank SMs and several people are doing free-motion quilting on treadles now as well as straight rows. Takes practice but that is the same as with an 'electric needle', isn't it? The consensus is that a model 15 is the best to use because of the way the bobbin sits but someone is quilting with the long bobbin SM also. I tried quilting using a modern (repro) 15 and was amazed at the ease of turning the fabric.

Louise Bequette -- in mid-Missouri

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Subject: AQSG Conference 2005 From: "BOBBIE A AUG" 

If you are planning on going to the AQSG Conference in October of 2005  in the Denver West/Golden, Colorado area, please email me privately. I  would like to have a list of you folks that are coming so perhaps we  could get together, etc.

Happy Holidays!

Bobbie A. Aug

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Subject: RE: machine quilting From: Sally Ward 

several people are doing free-motion quilting on > treadles ................ was amazed at the ease of turning the fabric.

What I recall most from treadling days was the absolute control you could get over the speed of sewing, and the ability to stop 'needle-down' without the aid of electronics.

Sally W

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Subject: Our common language From: Joan Kiplinger 

Actually we Clevelanders consider warsh a bit of Pittsburgh-speak, and most of us try to remember our Connecticut heritage by carefully saying wosh. :-D

Laurie Magee & Tom Blajeski wrote:

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Subject: IQSC February conference From: laurelkalmiaresearch.net 

I'm going to the Collectors, Collecting, and Collections symposium at the International Quilt Study Center (http://quiltstudy.unl.edu) in Lincoln February 24-26, and I'm looking for someone with whom to share a hotel room. Anyone interested? Reply to my individual address, please.

Laurel Horton

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Subject: machine quilting on treadles From: Sylvia Adair <

I'm also on treadle-on (hi, fellow onions!) and I do all my machine quilting on long-bobbin treadles. My favorite for straight-line work is the Davis Vertical Feed, which has a built in walking foot. My Davis was made around 1920, but this machine was produced from the 1890s. The Davis Sewing Machine Company went out of business in 1924. I'm doing some beginning free motion quilting on my Singer model 27, dated 1892. I find it lots easier than using electrics, partly because of the cabinet making a large flat surface and partly because I can so easily vary the speed. At Paducah last year there was a wonderful exhibit of machine made quilts at the museum, which included antique quilts. Several of the antique quilts had machine quilting, some of it free motion. Just my two cents on this topic. Have a great day. Sylvia Adair, Germantown, Wisconsin

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Subject: Re: Early sewing machine quilting From: "Laurette Carroll" 

When researching/studying machine made quilts it's a good idea to also study the history of the sewing machine. Things begin to fall into place, and we can see the pattern or popularity of the machine (and therefore the evidence of machine work on quilts) as time goes on.

One of the best informed sewing machine historians has told me that "It's pretty safe to say that sewing machines were a curiosity in the 1850s, a luxury in the early 1860s and only found in middle class homes later in that decade. By the early 1870s/1880s they were getting commonplace."

The Singer history site states that the first machine designed for home use was introduced in 1856. Before that machines were generally considered to be for commercial use. The same historian tells me that there were machines before this," but few were what one would call practical and it was later than this before machines were really considered more than curiosities."

Some information on the Howe sewing machine. According to the Charles Law "Encyclopedia of Antique Sewing Machines" and Carter Bays "Encyclopedia of Early American Sewing Machines", (the two authoritive books on the subject of antique sewing machines,) the Howe Sewing Machine Company was not founded until 1853, and at that time....." the sewing machine would not sew...." Though some machines were made after 1855, the company did not begin large scale production until after the Civil War.

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Subject: RE: redwork translation - German book From: "Candace Perry" <

Hi Margareta! I'll check out the book! Candace

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Subject: early use of sewing machines From: "Newbie Richardson" 

Dear list, Am only just catching up on 3 weeks of posts. I remember that a small but significant percentage ( like maybe 15%?) of the reliably dated late 1840's quilts in the collection of the International Quilt Study Center at Univ. Nebraska Lincoln were found to be machine quilted. I also posted to this list about an absolutely reliable 1847 dress I was working on which was entirely sewn on a sewing machine. I think we need to say that machine sewing in the late 1840's and 50's was not common place - but neither was it rare. Much like the microwave oven in the mid 20th century - it did not take very long to catch on! And, yes, Anita has a point when she mentions how bulky and awkward it is/was to quilt on a machine. You also needed very good light - before the onset of bright electric light. It was probably more practical to quilt by hand, in the evening when the kids were all in bed. Anyone who has replicated hand sewing domestic items ( linens, diapers, sheets, men's shirts, etc) knows how terribly boring that kind of plain sewing is. It is almost like a party when you get to work on a piece of decorative stitching after toiling away at the plain sewing tasks - it is a treat! Following that mind set, I can see where the sewing machine really took off for the utility sewing - but might have been slower to take off for decorative work. Newbie Richardson

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Subject: Re: machine quilting on treadles From: Babette Moorleghen 

I don't remember where I saw a picture of a woman whose husband/sons (?) had set up a quilting frame on an overhead trolley of sorts and she was machine quilting on her treadle sewing machine. Has anyone else ever seen this picture? Interesting topic. I have two treadles, one of which was my husband's grandmother. Haven't checked to see when it dates to. I'm not too good at machine quilting but think it would be fun to try on these machines. Thanks for the interesting topic. Babette in Illinois

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Subject: Re: Our common language From: Barb Garrett 

In my area we "wash up for supper (dinner)" -- meaning hands and lower arms, and possibly face and neck in the summer, especially if having been working out side.

And after the meal, we "do the dishes" -- no specific mention of what we "do" with/to them <grin>, but everyone knows the dishes will end up clean.

Barb in southeastern PA

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Subject: Re: machine quilting on treadles From: "Cristina" <

Hello everybody, Although Im a member of this group, Ive never sent a message since I have nothing to say but today. I have a 1920 Singer machine from my grandmother and its a treadle (I suppose that its how you call it) and I must say that Ive been sewing and machine quilting with it for 5 years. I have no quilting frame but I can perfectly machine quilt on it. Please forgive me for my broken English since Im Spanish and its not my mother tongue. Best wishes, Cris

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Subject: sewing machine bobbins From: Palamporeaol.com Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:49:10 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4

Recently I saw a store display made by Boye. It was a big round thing with a roulette wheel type set up that you would "dial" the wheel by selecting the model of sewing machine you had. It would then spin around to the proper needle package and bobbin. The bobbins are those bullet looking ones. (As you can tell I am not expert with this lingo...) Were bobbins loaded with the colors of thread they needed like the small bobbins we now have? I really need to go and look closer at my antique machines, of which I have several. What time period would this have fallen into? Just a quirky little sewing thing I was interested in! Thanks, Lynn Lancaster Gorges, New Bern, NC

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Subject: Re: sewing machine bobbins From: Xenia Cord 

I have a couple of those Boye Needlecases for sewing machine needles and bobbincases, with slightly different listings of machines on them. Lynn is correct that one dialed the center arrow (like one hand on a clock face) to the correct make and model of machine, and then opened a sliding door in the top to find the correct size needles and bobbincase. The bobbincase was bullet-shaped or shuttle shaped, and the bobbins themselves, sold separately, looked like the wheels from a tiny train, sort of bronze-colored. They came without thread.

My cases are full, BTW - if you know the make/model number of your machine and are desperate, maybe I can help.

Xenia

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Subject: Re: machine quilting and question From: Barb Garrett 

Hi Cinda -

After being away all weekend -- at least during waking hours <grin> -- I'm spending some time today catching up on things.

First -- the 30s quilt -- I do hope the winner knew what he was buying -- I would have thought $755 was high for it -- I would have expected more like $500-$600 for 20th century. The other bidder is a mystery to me -- equilt seems to know what he's doing usually. It's too bad it was poorly listed -- but definitely 20th century.

The machine quilted quilt -- it has an interesting history. I recognized it immediately. Or it's identical twin. It sold twice at Bunch auctions this year, and the listing does say found in Chester County.

Go to Bunch Auctions - http://www.williambunchauctions.com/content/highlights.asp

Click on Fine Americana and Folk Art On-line Catalog, underneath April 20th Auction Prices Realized

Then go to item 127 -- I went to the Sunday preview of this auction and saw this quilt hanging over a chair. Given little respect, I guessed because of the machine quilting. I check price realized -- $650.

Now back up to the list of auctions page - http://www.williambunchauctions.com/content/highlights.asp

This time click on Multi-estate Catalog Auction, June 8

Then go to quilts category -- you will see lots of quilts, and this one is 819. Unfortunately, there are no prices listed for this auction.

The other thing interesting about this auction -- some of the pieces are from the Lititz Museum -- and this was before we learned he was closing. Oh, I wish there were prices. Also #815 was in that first auction also -- as #208.

You can see many of the quilts Lititz tried to sell at the September auction by going back to the first page and then going to September auction, then Tuesday catalog. The prices realized list is interesting -- many sold for $.00 -- which I assume means his reserve wasn't meant. Judy Kelius had told me he had reserves on them -- and we assumed they would be high.

I was intrigued with the machine done quilt you sent to QHL, so I just started wandering. Amazing the things one finds when following a trail.

Hope you have a good week, and safe travel when you go to NY for Christmas. Barb

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Subject: Fw: Presidential China From: "sue reich" 

I was visiting The Silo, a cooking store/cooking school about a mile  from here owned by Ruth Henderson, the wife of Skitch Henderson. They  are affiliated with the Museum of American History for the sale of  Americana recognized by the Smithsonian. On display and for purchase  were reproductions of Presidential China of 12 Presidents. I have seen  the official china on display in Washington but I never really made a  quilt connection before. Go take a look at this site  http://www.woodmerechina.com/whitehouse/default.htm . Zachary Taylor's  pattern with its "E Pluribus Unum" eagle sets this design earlier than  we usually attribute it. He was president from 1849-1850. The border  is a quilty type design. There are other official pattern designs with  eagles that are shown. It is just something of interest. sue reich ------

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Subject: Re: Fw: Presidential China From: Gail Ingram 

The site I saw set" E pluribus unum" as 1844 with Polk.

Was it not enough that you went off to the dream of every Christmas collector on the list and regaled us with trips over the Swiss Alps while some of us (me) are getting ready to grade final exams? Did you have to introduce another collecting possibility? Oh Glory!

Imagine having a dinner with china from representative presidents.

Isn't the Madison china unusual---not at all what one would expect from Dolly?

I did note, however, that the Andrew Jackson roughness/crudeness/etc story was put forward on the www site with a caveat---that nevertheless, Jackson liked fine things. Well, yes! The truth is Jackson had never been poor, his family had never been poor. One does not purchase the land for Memphis if he is poverty stricken. He just lived beyond VA and the East Coast. And his election brought out a lot of voters who either had not been in country in preceding elections or who had not felt enfranchised. At least one of my ancestors was among them. Jackson was a ruthless Indian fighter and he lived in a new frontier, but he was highly intelligent and like many of his class, could play it both ways---frontiersman or statesman. But he was not a David Crockett.

So much for the Scots-Irish, who have taken over my life, it seems.

I do not envy you the German foods, but the trip, yes I do envy that. And now I wish I owned some of this china! Maybe I could sell one of my six sets and reinvest. I'm told that's what ebay is for.

With an almost completely decorated tree and only college 15 recommendation forms forms (for 1 student!) plus 3 rec letters to go before Wednesday, Gail

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Subject: Boston Commons pattern From: "Laura Fisher" 

Hi all - I'm looking for help with researching this pattern. My  exhibition on multi-thousand pieced quilts will open at the New England  Quilt Museum on January 24. At this last minute I got a Boston Commons  quilt, which I thought would be nice to include in the exhibit here  since Lowell is quite close to Boston! I would love a precise caption  documenting the history of this pattern. Any advice about how I can find  it? thanks

Laura Fisher ------

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Subject: Boston Common's Quilt From: "Brenda & Roger Applegate" 

Since you bought a quilt, could you please share with us the size of the  square that was used to make it? We see a lot of modern day patterns,  that are time savers, but I am curious to know original sizes of the  pieces. Also what do you think the date of your quilt is? Thanks.

Brenda Applegate

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Subject: Nursery Rhyme Redwork From: Jackie Joy <joysbeesyahoo.com>

I have a new grandson named Jack and I would like to make him a quilt with all the "Jacks" of nursery rhymes and fairy tales in redwork. So far, I have not found patterns for more than a couple. If anyone knows of where to find a pattern for applique or redwork for the following, please let me know.

Jack Be Nimble, Little Jack Horner, Jack and Jill, This is the House that Jack Built, Jack the Giant Killer, Jack and the Beanstalk, Jack Spratt, etc.

TIA

Jackie Joy

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Subject: Re: Nursery Rhyme Redwork From: "Sharon in NC" 

Jackie you can do a search on them all but add coloring. Here are some to get your started. http://images.google.com/images?qjack%20coloring&hlen&lr&saN&tabwi

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Subject: treadle machine quilting From: "Nancy Roberts" 

A couple in this area of Ocala, FL, have a shop in which they offer lessons on sewing and quilting with treadle machines. The husband repairs, restores, collects old machines. The wife makes quilts and soft sculpture dolls. Several women in the area have taken the class and love using their treadle machines. The power outtages of the recent hurricane season won't slow them down! Nancy Roberts

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Subject: Nursery Rhyme Redwork From: "Rosie Werner" 

Ruby Short McKim designed a Rhymeland Quilt in the 30s (not to be  confused with her Nursery Rhyme Quilt from 1922. ) The Rhymeland Quilt  has Jack Fell Down (Jack and Jill),Block #28, and Jack Be Nimble, Block  #21. This was a series printed in newspapers in the 30s. If you have  access to the Dutch Girl Quilting Scrapbooks, Jack Fell Down is in #21  and Jack Be Nimble is in #17. Some reprints of McKim's patterns are  still being sold today, but I don't know if this one is available. Rosie ------_NextPart_000_00D5_01C4E1E0.12D0BC50--

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Subject: Hall of Fame Quilt contest From: KareQuiltaol.com 

The Quilters Hall of Fame is pleased this year to have Quilters Newsletter Magazine AND FreeSpirit fabric as sponsors of our 2005 Juried Quilt Contest. Our theme is again gardens: CTime Began In A Garden. Entries for the contest may contain any theme or pattern (traditional or innovative) pertaining to a  garden but the top must contain at least 50 percent of Bannister Hall Summer  House, a newly released chintz fabric collection by Xenia Cord for FreeSpiri t. This fabric will be available in quilt shops by late January 2005 so contact  your local Quilt Shop and ask for it ahead of time. This will NOT be a full- size quilt 3 the exterior edges of the quilt must measure no larger than a total of 225 inches -- but it can be smaller than 225 inches. I just know this gan g can come up with some great entries! There is no limit on the number of entries, but only one prize per person will be awarded. For further inform ation and a contest form, visit our website at www.quiltershalloffame.org. Or, send a self-addressed #10 (long) envelope to QHF Contest, P.O. Box 681, Marion, IN 46952-0681. Other contact points: 765-664-9333; email: quilterscomteck.com.  Please share this information with your Guilds. Hope several of you on the l ist will make something! I9ll post the 7 exhibits that will be hanging in Marion July 5-17, tomorrow.

Karen Alexander

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Subject: Quiltmakers of Gee's Bend to Air on PBS From: "Maureen" 

Hi all:

The documentary program Quiltmakers of Gee's Bend, produced by Alabama Public Television will be aired on PBS Thursday Feb 3, 2005 at 10pm  Eastern. Because local PBS affiliates can choose to broadcast this program or  not, you need to contact your local PBS station now to ask that it be aired  in your viewing area. Scheduling for February 2005 is now being  constructed, so don't delay and phone today. Spread the word!

The Quiltmakers of Gee's Bend will also be simulcast in high definition television, which is a magnificent use of the technology as HDTV shows incredible depth of field and detail -- twice that of regular, analog  tv. You do need an HDTV television to view HDTV programs. I believe there  is also a DVD available of the program -- contact Alabama Public Television  at www.aptv.org

Here in Southern Oregon, our local PBS affiliate is Southern Oregon  Public Television. We'll be having a High Def Quilting Party in the station's studios for local quilters with a quilt show on Tuesday Feb 8th, 2005. Refreshments will be provided by Country Quilts and Crafts of  Jacksonville, Oregon. Thanks to Mountain Stars and Monday Quilters for organizing  this event and to Alabama Public Television for making this excellent  program. What fun !!

In Southern Oregon, you can watch The Quiltmakers of Gee's Bend on  Sunday Febrary 13th at noon on Channel 8 (KSYS) or Channel 22 (KFTS).

Maureen Battistella Ashland, Oregon 541-552-0743 Who is proud to work For Southern Oregon Public Television

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Subject: Needle snippers? From: Sally Ward 

A couple of days ago, in a museum collection, I saw a pair of curious 'wire snippers'. I couldn't examine them closely, they were quite small, in their original box, and American in origin (price $1). The box said they were for snipping the ends of sewing needles to give a sharp point.

Anyone come across these before?

Sally W

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Subject: Help...Underground RR Does it Again! From: danabalsamo

Hello all, It's hit my little town of Dayton, NJ... As I was waiting for my daughters to finish their gymnastics class, I decided to walk around the school. This is not the school my girls go to, but it is in town. I found a bulletin board with lovely paper quilt blocks sewn together with yarn made by Mrs Yost's class. They were very creative, well done...except for the theme...Signals in Quilts for the Underground Railroad! Ug!! I emailed a friend whose daughter attends the school to have the teacher contact me and briefly why. Now I need information...I have Pat's site and Kim's site and am armed with some information. Is there info anywhere else? I plan on offering to come in and talk about the myth at the children's level. What else can I do? My best, Dana

Material Pleasures

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Subject: New Fabric Line & Next Exhibit at New England Quilt Museum From: Anita Loscalzo

* NEW FABRIC LINE FROM NEW ENGLAND QUILT MUSEUM Reproduction of 1895 Boston Pavement Quilt Brings an Historical Fabric into the Present

LOWELL, MA -- The New England Quilt Museum and In the Beginning Fabrics are pleased to announce the release of a new fabric line inspired by a collection piece from the Museum entitled Boston Pavement Quilt dated from 1895. The Collage Collection, which contains a total of 41 pieces in two volumes, will be available in stores in March 2005 and can be viewed now at http://www.inthebeginningfabrics.com. A portion of the proceeds from fabric sales will go to benefit the Museum.

A cotton variation of the Victorian crazy-quilt technique that was popular in the 1800s, the spread contains many colorful small-scale calico prints, shirtings, and plaids ideal for applique cut-outs, decoupage and clothing. Larger floral fabrics from an earlier era are evident as well as furnishing textiles from the end of the 19th century.

* "THRILLED TO PIECES" EXHIBIT Showcases the Intricacy of 1,000-Piece Quilts

JANUARY 20 - APRIL 2, 2005

The sculptural and architectural aspects of antique quilts will be featured in a special exhibition entitled "THRILLED TO PIECES: The Awesome Intricacy of Multi-Pieced Quilts" at New England Quilt Museum In Lowell, MA. Running from January 20th - April 2, 2005 this exhibition showcases quilts made up of 1,000 to as many as 25,000 pieces.

Curated by New York City antiques dealer and quilt author Laura Fisher, the exhibition features a less commonly known - but extraordinarily remarkable - part of quilting heritage when quilters cut, accumulated, and then united thousands of fabric pieces into larger intricate designs. Painstakingly arranged with postage-stamp sized pieces placed in complex interplays of light and dark tones, these quilts reveal a larger geometric design. Fisher remarks that the patient artistry of the tenacious women who made these quilts resembles that "of the sculptor or the collage maker rather than the needleworker. They compose by adding on and maneuvering bits until a design takes form..I am in awe at the commitment these pieced quilts express."

Laura Fisher will be at the New England Quilt Museum for a lecture and the exhibit opening reception on January 29, 2005 at 1:00 PM, free with admission to the gallery.

 Anita B. Loscalzo, Curator New England Quilt Museum 18 Shattuck Street Lowell, MA 01852 -------- email: CuratorNEQuiltMuseum.org telephone: 978-452-4207 Ext. 11

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Subject: Request for Volunteer Quilters at Lancaster Quilt and Textile Museum From: 

Our Lancaster, Pennsylvania Quilt and Textile Museum, home of the Esprit Amish quilt collection and a large collection of Southeastern Pennsylvania quilts and textiles, has embarked on an ambitious program to connect quilters and quilt organizations with the public. The following is a request from the new Public Programs Coordinator, Helen Tingle, a talented and enthusiastic member of the staff at the Heritage Center.

Heritage Center of Lancaster County is seeking volunteer quilting and needleworking demonstrators (and entire guilds) to demonstrate at the Lancaster Quilt and Textile Museum (QTM). Demonstrators may work on their own project, whatever that may be. You can take anything quilt or needlework related, handwork or machine. It would be a great spot for one of the mini groups to meet. Many demonstrators find the demonstration days to be good opportunities to socialize and network.

In addition to the free publicity for your guild, some of the benefits of volunteering include invitations to Heritage Center special volunteer events, free parking downtown during the volunteer shift, 10% discount in the museum stores and after 82 hours of volunteering, QTM demonstrators receive a coupon for a denim shirt at the QTM store.

Currently the Heritage Center is scheduling regular (mixed-guild) demonstration days on the 1st and 2nd Saturdays of the month. In addition the Heritage Center is scheduling days to feature guilds throughout the year. This is a great opportunity to highlight the activities of your Guild. If you are interested in being a volunteer demonstrator or have any questions please contact Helene Tingle at 717-299-6440 or htinglelancasterheritage.com.

Trish Herr

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Subject: UGRR From: "Jan Drechsler" <quiltdocadelphia.net> 

Dana,

The story has already been planted in their minds by their teacher. Teachers are always right. So you need to have them think about how information spreads.

Talk about myths, how they start, why myths are important, why we need myths. Why slaves might need myths.

There is a terrific new book on the underground RR, which I just took back to the library yesterday. I don't know the exact title. It has many quotes from history, including Frederick Douglas, the famous orator and runaway slave. If you search the archives, I believe J. G. Row gave the title of this book within the last 6 months. Kids love pictures and drawings and you could read a few quotes and show a picture.

Ask them to think about how dark it is with no lights in the woods. Explain how almost all the slaves would have escaped at night and flashlights and electricity were not invented yet. Ask them could they see whether a color was red or black or even differentiate a quilt pattern in the pitch black. Have them think about slipping up to examine a quilt on the front porch without waking up the dogs sleeping under the porch. Why wouldn't one want the dogs to bark or attack?

Finally talk about how this myth grew wildly today. For example, the money made on popularizing the book, T.V. shows popularizing the concept (Opray), the lecture circuit, the fabric store of the relatives, the other books. The ease of integrating history, art, geometry and African-American themes in schools makes it popular to teach.

Be prepared to be questioned. Arm yourself with the phrase 'Is this a question or a story?' Kids love to tell stories.

Most important, don't point the finger at any one person (especially the school system!!), but explain how all of this can snowball with media attention.

Bring a quilt, an old one if you can.

I am sure you will do fine. You have more information from reading QHL than you can use. Just organize it for your age of audience. Ask some friends and their kids over to give a practice lecture to first, if it would help to hone your discussion.

Please keep your notes, share what you did, the snags you ran into if any, and what you would do differently after you give your presentation/talk. Maybe this is the beginning of an online lesson plan. Good luck.

Jan -- Jan Drechsler NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: quiltdocadelphia.net

Quilt Restoration; Quilting teacher www.sover.net/~bobmills

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Subject: UGRR From: "Jan Drechsler" <quiltdocadelphia.net> 

Dana, I just re-read your qhl post and realized that you are in Dayton, NJ which is right around the corner from where I used to live in Belle Mead and Princeton.

Historian Giles R. Wright is Director of the Afro-American History Program, New Jersey Historical Commission, and is cited at historicamdencounty.com as 'New Jersey's Underground Railroad Myth-Buster.' He also co-authored an excellent booklet called 'Steal Away, Steal Away...: A Guide to the Underground Railroad in New Jersey,' published by the New Jersey Historical Commission. Wright claims that the book (HIPV) presents a very appealing idea, but it is based on 'sheer conjecture and speculation.'

>http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews11.shtml<

Get in touch with Wright and ask for his booklet. Afro-American Education is his business and perhaps he can offer teaching or lecture assistance. I believe his office is in Trenton or Camden. You can find his phone or e-mail on the web. Do that first so he could send you his booklet.

Regards,

Jan

-- Jan Drechsler NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS: quiltdocadelphia.net

Quilt Restoration; Quilting teacher www.sover.net/~bobmills

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Subject: booklet non-availability From: Patricia L Cummings 

Jan:

I was told some time ago by Giles Wright that his booklet is out of print, and there are no immediate plans to reprint. Just so you know....

Pat

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Subject: books From: Patricia L Cummings

An outstanding book, mentioned by Joan Kiplinger a few weeks ago, is Passages to Freedom: The Underground Railroad in History and Memory. This book is high in content, and is lavishly illustrated with drawings and photos. Edited by David W. Blight, the book was published by Smithsonian Books, 2004.

A second great book, recommended by Monica MacDonald, is entitled, Founding Myths: Stories that Hide our Patriotic Past by Ray Raphael (New York, London: The New Press, 2004). This book focuses on the Revolutionary Era and in the words of one reviewer is a "wake up call".

Both books will aid in your understanding of how myths can get started and continue to flourish. These are great reading and are good books to put on your holiday "wish list".

Pat

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Subject: florence peto book From: 

hi everyone

just asking for some help.

recently i gave a small talk about my favourite commemorative quilts and miniatures. one of the ladies in the audience came up and offered me her florence peto book called americana quilts and coverlets. i am such a florence peto fan and i still cant believe she gave me this precious book. made even more precious because her husband gave it to her as a gift and he has since passed away.

where am i going with this,

does anybody know the value of this book?

as a matter of interest the inside cover has the original price of $1.00.

many thanks kerry in sydney.

This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au

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Subject: RE: our common language From: "JG Kane" 

I've been catching up on mail after a few days away. Here in Yorkshire, N. England, we "wash ('wosh') up" the dishes too, but if a person or a business is "all washed up" he/it has failed, or collapsed....... I wonder why? Then there's being "washed out" - pale and peeky looking. Jill, Leeds, U.K.

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Subject: Crazy rugs? From: "JG Kane" 

I acquired a crazy rug in a boxed lot I got at auction, here in Yorkshire. Initially (when I was rummaging in the boxes at the auction room and trying to be discreet!) I thought it was a quilt, but it was definitely made as a rug. It is pieced with heavy woollens, mainly tartans, with a wool fringe, and pieced cotton backing.Its the sort of utility, make-do-with-what-you-have item that I equate with our rag and proddy rugs. Is there a history of such crazy rugs in the U.S.please ? Jill

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Subject: Re: florence peto book From: Kathie Holland 

checked on bookfinder.com starting at $34.95

 

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Subject: Vintage Quilt Kits From: Barbara Burnham 

I would be very interested to hear experiences from anyone who has ever stitched one of the vintage kit quilts that were marketed in the 60's and 70's by Paragon, Bucilla, etc. Email privately if you like. Thanks, Barbara Burnham Ellicott City, MD

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Subject: Re: florence peto book From: 

thank you, i have a very good idea of the cost now. cheers kerryx

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Subject: Re: UGRR From: Dana at Material Pleasures 

Thank you Jan, We should get together for lunch one day, you are not far at all! I will try to contact Giles Wright. My friend who I emailed is going to forward to email to the teacher...I hope she is receptive. I can imagine not many teachers would want someone coming into their classroom to prove something they taught with such zest as wrong. Either way, I plan on putting something together for the area schools so this does not happen in the future (yeah, right), and also writing an editorial to the local paper... I want to thank Pat and everyone else who has contacted me privately and on the list. It gives me so much more confidence having you behind me on this. My best, Dana

Jan Drechsler <quiltdocadelphia.net> wrote: Dana, I just re-read your qhl post and realized that you are in Dayton, NJ which is right around the corner from where I used to live in Belle Mead and Princeton.

Historian Giles R. Wright is Director of the Afro-American History Program, New Jersey Historical Commission, and is cited at historicamdencounty.com as 'New Jersey's Underground Railroad Myth-Buster.' He also co-authored an excellent booklet called 'Steal Away, Steal Away...: A Guide to the Underground Railroad in New Jersey,' published by the New Jersey Historical Commission. Wright claims that the book (HIPV) presents a very appealing idea, but it is based on 'sheer conjecture and speculation.'

>http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews11.shtml<

Get in touch with Wright and ask for his booklet. Afro-American Education is his business and perhaps he can offer teaching or lecture assistance. I believe his office is in Trenton or Camden. You can find his phone or e-mail on the web. Do that first so he could send you his booklet.

Regards,

Jan

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Subject: Trapunto, Linsey Woolsey From: Joe Cunningham 

click on the thumbnail to see this up closeclick on the thumbnail to see this up closeI just saw a trapunto quilt on ebay that is being sold by my friend Julie Silber. It is so great, if you like beautiful quilting, that I thought you all might like to see the pictures. Each trapunto block is different, and Julie has posted pics of many of them. You can see this and some of her other quilts, including a sort of bronze color linsey woolsey, if you go to this link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item3770100707

She has four really rare ones on a three day auctioon, so they won't be up long, but you can see them all if you click on the "see my other quilts" link. The trapunto photos by Jean Demeter are truly worth seeing if you want to see the best of 19th century quilting designs. Joe Cunningham in sunny San Francisco

 


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