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Subject: Re: Stumped on date of quilt From: "J. G. Row" <JudyGrowpatmedia.net> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 00:50:50 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1


Was this cut down from a larger star quilt? I don't think it is strictly a medallion, but I see it as the center of a much larger 8-pointed star. The way the outer diamonds are cut off suggests that to me -- although, one would think the center would be a square and not a rectangle. Hmmmm...

Judy, aka the Ringoes Kid judygrowpatmedia.net

Just home from a heavenly concert of Bach, Schonberg and Brahms. Looking ahead to the rains.


Subject: Re: Stumped on date of quilt From: "quiltstuff" <quiltstuffoptusnet.com.au> 

Judy wrote> > Was this cut down from a larger star quilt? I don't think it is strictly a > medallion, but I see it as the center of a much larger 8-pointed star. The > way the outer diamonds are cut off suggests that to me

perhaps not sp much one that was 'cut down' but rather the quilter had plans for it to be a big star but either got bored or needed a crib quilt quickly.. or someone using a previous quilters UFO..

However, I would a take more on that blue being a cadet type blue.. and the red first set of triangles being more 1880 as well....... but it would be easier to guess in real life.

Suzy Atkins


Subject: Re: Stumped on date of quilt From: Sally Ward <sallytattersntlworld.com> 

> Sally Ward, where are you on this piece?

Um...not quite sure. The rectangular centre is very, very familiar. I can't find a picture reference for it, which means I must have seen it when handling items from the Guild collection. (I am sure I can 'see' it in the company of some early 1800s pillar prints) The shape, print style and colour palette of that centrepiece suggest late 1700s to early 1800s to me. I'll email the Curator for advice, but as she works the end of the week won't expect an early reply.

I'm finding it harder to place the other fabrics because of the limitations of my colour monitor, but I'm very at home with the pinks and blue, and is that some very typically English purple in the corner areas?

We can never know what was in the mind of another quilter <G> but I don't see it as a natural thing to be trying to fit that centre rectangle into the star design? Its not like the sort of formal 'English frame' medallion quilt I'd expect to see that printed panel in, and although we did lots of triangles of various shapes pieced over papers, we didn't really 'do' that blazing star setting.

Bit of a wild guess, not seeing it in the flesh, but it does have the feel of re-used pieces, or changed plans...

Sally W


Subject: Re: White's Valley and the Unpardonable Sin From: "jocelynmdelphiforums.com" <jocelynmdelphiforums.com> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:30:05 +0000 X-Message-Number: 4

On March 31, 2005, Lucinda Cawley wrote:

> The article specifies a quilting frame because people of the 1870s we= re > just as (if not more) interested the macabre as we are.=20=20=20

It may be that Crissy had a quilting frame like my grandmother's: on pulley= s, that could be lowered down to work on and raised when the kitchen was ne= eded for cooking.

Crissy might have lowered the frame over a pile of kindling and then got on= to it to lie down and ignite the fire. It may have struck her as a suitable= position for dying, sort of like how many suicides nowadays will take effo= rts to make their bodies look attractive (without knowing that once they di= e, their carefully chosen 'last clothing' is going to have to be changed, a= nyway.


Subject: Re: Women's History Month (The Unpardonable Sin!) From: "jocelynmdelphiforums.com"

On March 31, 2005, Lucinda Cawley wrote:

> Poor Crissy Hacker. In 1875 I suspect that the "unpardonable sin" was > sexual not fabric related=20=20

The Unbound Bible website is down, so I can't cite the precise reference, b= ut Paul writes that there is only one unforgiveable sin, that of blasphemy = against the Holy Spirit. Theologians have debated for centuries what he meant. I remember hearing ma= ny a discussion in my youth; it felt particularly ominous, because you didn= 't know exactly what it was, so you couldn't really avoid it, but if you di= dn't, you were doomed. I suspect at Crissy's time, teens were as obsessed a= bout it as we were, and probably more frightened about a vengeful God. Coup= le that with what appears to be a developing case of schizophrenia, and no = wonder the poor child's delusions focused on her having accidentally commit= ted the unforgiveable sin.=20 OTOH, incarceration in a state mental hospital would have been almost as ho= rrific as the death she suffered. I wonder what happened to the hired man?


Subject: Re: Women's History Month (The Unpardonable Sin!) From: "jocelynmdelphiforums.com" <jocelynmdelphiforums.com> Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:41:13 +0000 X-Message-Number: 6

On March 31, 2005, Xenia Cord wrote:

> One wonders whether quilting frames and "other material about the home"= =20 > could create an altar (alter?) fire hot enough to burn one "to a crisp."= =20 > Suttee is not a pleasant way to die, I would think. =20 WARNING: GRAPHIC RESPONSE AHEAD NOT FOR THE FAINTHEARTED

Human skin 'crips' when burned at fairly low temps; the article may not hav= e meant she was cremated to ashes, but that her skin was brittle and flakey= when she was found.

With any luck, she was knocked unconscious by the smoke before the fire act= ually took her. In the Middle Ages, executioners knew how to build fires at= the stake so that the victim was overcome by smoke before the fire got to = them...or how to build the fire so it instantly ignited the victim. Apparen= tly, this service was available for what was, I'm sure, a well-spent fee. I= t involved how tightly the wood was stacked, and whether the wood was green= or somewhat damp (smokey) or perfectly seasoned.

The description of her calm and peaceful face would support both of the abo= ve- if she were cremated, there'd be no face to describe, and it would be e= asier to look peaceful if one just laid down and was stunned by smoke befor= e dying.

Subject: Great Web Site on Turkey Red & other colors From: Judy Kelius <quiltsptd.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 06:48:04 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1

Surfing the internet, I found a wonderful "Colour Museum" that gives an excellent overview of the Turkey Red dyeing process, including some photos of the labels used by manufacturers: http://www.colour-experience.org/teknicolour/teknol_turkey_pandp/teknol_turkey_pandp_1.htm. (Be sure to click on the additional pages at the top - easy to miss!)

There is a "Turkey Red Gallery" at http://www.colour-experience.org/  (lots of colorful labels!).

& more history at http://www.colour-experience.org/

This web site also has lots more valuable information on color relating to textiles. It looks like a wonderful resource . . . hope you agree.



Subject: Davy Crocket Pattern From: "Linda Heminway" <ibquiltncomcast.net> Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 08:34:50 -0400 X-Message-Number: 2

I saw the post regarding someone looking for the Davy Crocket quilt pattern and would also like a copy of it if someone has it, or knows where it could be found. My husband's family are all descendants of Davy Crocket and my husband's grandfather's middle name was even Crocket! We have a really fun family history of both sides, my kids have true American blood running through their veins! My family is descended from John Alden and Miles Standish and my husband's family is descended from Davy Crocket and Clark of the Lewis and Clark expedition. My mother in law has Cherokee blood as well. We certainly are a true example of what the "melting pot" is here in our country! At any rate, it would be so fun to see this quilt pattern and maybe I could make something for all the nieces and nephews as well as my own kids for next year's holidays? Sure, and I have time for all of this? : ) Linda Heminway Plaistow NH


Subject: Xenia's fabric line From: Cathy Holfinger <caholfingeryahoo.com> 

I have yet to find Xenia's fabric line "Bannister Hall Summer House" anywhere. Is it just me? Has anyone found it?

Cathy Holfinger


Subject: Re: Xenia's fabric line From: Midnitelaptopaol.com Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 09:05:20 EDT X-Message-Number: 5

if you go to: http://www.freespiritfabric.com/core-pages/galleryindex.php you'll find the fabric line jeanL


Subject: Re: Xenia's fabric line From: Xenia Cord <xenialegacyquilts.net> Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 10:01:32 -0600 X-Message-Number: 6

From "the horse's mouth," finding the Bannister Hall Summerhouse line is something of a treasure hunt. As jeanl said, you can see the entire line on the FreeSpirit website, but cannot purchase there. Check their links for shops near you carrying it.

An on-line source is reproductionfabrics.com (no affiliation yadda yadda), which has most of the line (but not the gray 'wheat' ground clutch of violets design or its companion gray wheat alone, and not all of the stripes, I think). I have checked this morning and they seem to be off-line, which is very unusual.

Keep trying there if you need the fabric, or email me privately for several shops in Indiana that have some of the designs (but not all in any one place).



Subject: Davy Crockett From: Crm793aol.com Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:36:05 EDT X-Message-Number: 7


I've just returned from a long trip to Colorado visiting kids and grandkids and trying to catch up on mail. I don't know where there are patterns but I do have a vintage quilt with embroidered scenes such as the Alamo, killing the bear, coonskin hat and rifle, etc. I've done a little research trying to find the source of the patterns but no luck. I assume the quilt was made in the 50's after Disney's Davy Crockett TV show became famous.

Can someone tell me if enough time has passed that I could legally make a pattern of this quilt (since I can't find a source).

Carolyn in North Texa--


Subject: crib quilt From: Palamporeaol.com Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:28:35 EDT 

Yes, I think too that this quilt was a cut down out of a star quilt or star top. Newbie, it reminds me of that quilt we wet cleaned. What do you think? I think the colors appear to be very mid-1800's. I don't see a cadet blue in the bunch. It does appear to have been washed a great deal. Lynn Lancaster Gorges New Bern, NC


Subject: Vintage Quilt Exhibit From: "Louise" <ltiemannstny.rr.com> 

Greetings, if anyone is in the Binghamton, NY area from April 21-23, there will be a Vintage Quilt Exhibit at the 23rd Annual Binghamton Sertoma $1M Antique Show. The event will be held at the Binghamton University's Events Center. Approximately 40 quilts will be displayed: pieced, applique, whole cloth, crazy, cigar silks, embroidered (McKim designs),etc. ranging from the mid 1800's to the present. The show booklet will have photos on many of the quilts on display. Hope to see some of you there.

With kndest regards, Louise 


Subject: Egyptian cotton From: Joan Kiplinger <jkipncweb.com> Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:04:42 -0400 X-Message-Number: 3

This might be of interest for those who have bought but not yet used or are thinking of buying the Egyptian cotton which was discussed several weeks ago. I've been given a doll to dress, duplicating the sailor boy uniform. The owner selected and bought the fabric, not knowing anything about textiles. I suspected it was the Egytpian cotton broadcloth from Joanne's and she confirmed my guess. I've just started to sew on it and it lays and behaves so beautifully that I became suspicious that as it didn't wrinkle that there might be some microfibers here and there. A burn test revealed no oil wells. :-D So those who use this fabric, you are in for a treat. It has all the qualities of a pima-like broadcloth without the stubborness of that fabric, making it very flexible and with a nice hand. If you have ever sewn on Quadriga's needleized fabrics, its' the same experience.


Subject: Carolyn Miller was right From: "Lucinda Cawley" 

When Carolyn Miller (from Texas) came to J. G. Row's Studio Quilt Study Group last summer she joked that we East Coast-types left the house in the morning with a shopping list reading "milk, bread, eggs, 1840 chintz quilt." How true! On my way to the library yesterday I stopped at a little antique shop up the road and bought a 2nd quarter 19th century quilt with random-patch diamonds (Prussian blue, ombres, idigos with chrome orange, blue and brown prints, overdyed greens, chrome yellow, all sorts of browns, tan and taupe) set in zigzag strips of a tan on brown print with a drab (no red) chintz swag and flower border (glaze intact). The back is on p. 50 of Eileen Trestain's Dating Fabrics (1st swatch in the top row). A geometric in three shades of brown ,it's turned over to form a tiny binding which looks like diagonal stripes. The quilt came out of an estate in Chadds Ford, PA. Cinda on the Eastern Shore


Subject: Re: Carolyn Miller was right From: Gail Ingram 

Cinda, I hope you know Carolyn Miller is over there in McKinney grinding her teeth as she reads this. What a heaven y'all live in!



Subject: American Folk Art Museum Library Online From: "Anita G. Solomon" 

I received an e-Newsletter from the museum today with this information:

The museum's Shirley K. Schlafer Library has completed the conversion of its card catalog to an online database, now available for searching via our website.

http://www.folkartmuseum.org/default.asp?id=870 (The 'click here' is in faint chartreuse, mid-page.)

The catalog currently includes more than 9,000 records, representing all cataloged books, periodicals, pamphlets, and videotapes. We will soon begin to add records for other library materials, including auction catalogs, vertical files, and museum archives.

All records can be searched by author, title, and subject, with advanced features for combining multiple fields.

The library is open by appointment on weekdays, 10:00am-5:30pm. For more information, contact the librarian, James Mitchell, at 212. 265. 1040, ext. 110, or jmitchellfolkartmuseum.org


When I leave the house in the morning with a shopping list reading "milk, bagels, eggs, 1840 chintz quilt" my first stop would be the American Folk Art Musem. What a wonderful reading room. The center wall table hosts a revolving selection of books donated by Cuesta Benberry from her library.

April in New York.

btw, The current exhibition is: ANCESTRY AND INNOVATION: AFRICAN AMERICAN ART FROM THE COLLECTION February 8–September 4, 2005 Stacy C. Hollander and Brooke Davis Anderson, curators

"Ancestry and Innovation: African American Art from the Collection" highlights complex and vibrant quilts, paintings, works on paper, and sculpture by contemporary African American artists.

Anita Grossman Solomon/NYC http://www.MakeItSimpler.com


Subject: Davy Crockett Quilt Pattern From: "ginghamfrontiernet.net" 

I found this on ebay. The sale ended a few days ago but maybe the seller would sell another set since they are photocopies or maybe you could get a set from the buyer. Btw, I just googled "Davy Crockett quilt pattern". -Sandra in Utah

"Offered for auction is a Vintage Davy Crockett Quilt Transfer Pattern. This is a photocopy of an original 1955 transfer pattern and contains patterns for 12 different quilt squares, the materials list and quilt layout instructions. Whether you use them to make pillows, quilts or scenes, this is a great transfer set for Davy Crockett! Perfect for the vintage child's room or western d=E9cor!! Try them on burlap for a great western look!"

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3D83957&item=3D8180585= 115&rd=3D1


Subject: Cotton in PA German Life -- info From: "Candace Perry" 

Well, I'm finally wading out of my mess and can publicize this project. A full color catalog of the exhibition is available for $5.00 (a grant funded bargain) plus postage (Visa, MC, Discover, checks...215/679-3103 or email me)...there will also be an online exhibition at www.schwenkfelder.com in the very near future! Directions and other incidentals are available there also. See below for lots of info -- there are also related sewing programs thru our education dept. Candace Perry once curator, now lunatic Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center Pennsburg PA

Cotton in PA German Life March 20 - September 12, 2005

The exhibit Cotton in PA German Life will explore the transition from locally produced linen and cotton to mass produced cotton cloth for clothing and other household objects in the mid 19th century. A color catalog and online exhibition will be featured.

Supported by a grant from the Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS). Any views, findings, conclusions or recommendations expressed in this program do not necessarily represent those of the IMLS.

Those Fabulous Feedsacks with Jane Clark Stapel May 1, 2005, 2 pm

Cotton in PA German Life Symposium Saturday, June 25, 2005, 8:30 am-4:00 pm

* Nancy Roan, PA German Quilting Scholar: The Fabrics in Grandmother's Quilt. Explores the use of cotton and other fabrics used in quilts in Southeastern PA.

* Patricia Keller, Textile Historian: The 18th & 19th Century Transition of Household Production to Industrial Textile Consumption. Findings from the study of more than 3000 Lancaster County 18th and 19th century inventories related to ownership of furnishing textiles, textile fiber, fiber processing tools, looms, etc.

* Susan Greene, Cornell Fellow & Costume Historian: The Use of Cotton in 19th Century Clothing. An examination with noted textile expert Susan Greene of printed dress fabrics used in the 19th century.

* Barbara Garrett: The Fabulous World of Feedsacks. Explore the history, development, popularity and decline of these marvelous fabrics and how they were used in both quiltmaking and everyday life. Feedsack memories will also be shared.

$30.00 Catalog, Luncheon and Breaktime snacks included Reserve your place early!


Subject: Cinda's find From: Crm793aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:20:42 

See! I was right! When can we see a picture? No, Gail, I wasn't grinding my teeth, I was at the dentist getting a new crown fitted for the one that had broken off the root canal. This happened while I was in Colorado but of course I waited till I got home to get it repaired. I drove this time so of course I shopped along the way but no great quilts. I did get a featherweight sewing table in great shape, maybe I'll try to quilt something on it just to see how the pioneers did it.

Trying to play catch-up after being gone for a long time, Carolyn Miller


Subject: Davy Crockett Pattern From: Ark Quilts <quiltarkmvyahoo.com> 

This is in response to the posting from Kris Driessen krisdriessenyahoo.com who forwarded a request from Pat Stringer Pestringercs.com about embroidered Davy Crockett quilt pattern blocks.

I have this pattern and a set of completed blocks. I purchased the pattern from Ebay, but not from the person who is noted below in links sent in by other QHL members. The 1955 copyright date is on the pattern but the seller does not list the publisher of the pattern (they could be emailed). I don't have my copy handy right now but could locate it if you are interested. The computerized Davy Crockett embroidery pattern appears to be a copy of the original iron-on transfer pattern.

A list of Fess Parker's movie credits, including the Davy Crockett movies and TV shows is available on the Internet Movie Database at http://www.imdb.com/find?q=davy%20crockett%5C;tt=on;nm=on;mx=20 This also includes movies made by other actors, too. That will give you the dates of the TV program

A DVD with the major TV programs released by Disney is available from Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005KARG/quiltweb/ 

Anyone besides me remember the cute little Fireking white glass cups with the Davy Crockett scenes painted on them? Wish I had mine now.....they go for a small fortune in auctions now.

Connie Ark in NW Ohio where spring has sprung (finally!) and the sheep are leaping around the yard


Subject: D. Crockett & featherweight From: Crm793aol.com 

Okay, Okay, I know the pioneers didn't have electricity so didn't have a featherweight machine, got my centuries confused.

The Davy Crockett quilt that I have is only 9 blocks and the copies on ebay proved to me that part of the quilt is missing. I'm talking about the photocopies of the original patterns, not the ones for an embroidery machine. I would like to know the name of the company that published the patterns to use in documenting my quilt. I purchased it in Hillsboro, TX.

Carolyn Miller


Subject: How to (not) go to the quilt show From: "Lucinda Cawley" 

My lurker friend Julie and I decided to go to the Quilters Heritage Show in Lancaster, PA last week. On Friday we drove first to York to see the exhibit at the Historical Society. It is a feast for the eyes (at least a dozen pre-1850 quilts and a nice sampling of later quilts as well). Some of the dates assigned seem rather too early to me; those I've noted are from the signage. Perhaps some of those who worked on the documentation would like to comment. A fair # of the quilts are in the York Co. book, Quilts: The Fabric of Friendship (page #s in parens). The most spectacular is probably the c. 1790 Medallion with the Hewson panel in the center (19). The label says it's the only known Hewson with its own printed border. John Hewson was an English printer lured to PA by Benjamin Franklin. 

My favorite was a Strippy, c. 1810, with squares on point set alternating with the most amazing block printed cotton chintz of white feather plumes on a swirly blue ground (40). A red and green Feathered Star, c. 1820, (45) also has a splendid chintz border (this quilt is the classic turkey red, green and chrome yellow of the mid-century which makes me wonder about the early date). A reverse applique masterpiece, c. 1830, (140) boasts amazing stuffed quilting. There's a 6" Variable Star with alternate muslin squares (includes lots of plaids and stripes) with a twisted ribbon chintz border. A scrappy chintz Nine-Patch with a variety of fabrics in the setting squares looks like something straight out of Calico and Chintz. 

The strangest quilt (30) is made of circa 1850 Sunbursts and other circular designs put together (with some additions I think) in the 20th century. An Oak Leaf variation, c. 1860, (22) was adopted as the Quilt Doc. Project logo. A c. 1790 toile (37) and a marvelously graphic Pineapple, c. 1900, (134) are also in the book. Another highlight is a Maryland-style Album dated 1851 with four urns with "S" shaped handles each done in different color combinations (e.g. red, pink and green, pink, yellow and green) with soutache applied as decoration. Southern York County borders Maryland; the Baltimore influence was strong throughout the 19th century. 

After a stop for antiquing in Columbia on the banks of the Susquehanna we went to the Lancaster Quilt and Textile Museum. The second round of quilts from the Esprit collection and a delightful collection of Mennonite and Amish stuffed animals are the current exhibit. The stuffed toys which were not the primary draw for me turned out to be enormously engaging. The classic Amish quilts are, of course, in a class by themselves. Trish Herr's beautiful book Amish Quilts of Lancaster County has great photos of all of them complete with super close-ups of the quilting. One of my favorites is Plate 41 on p. 107, a c. 1935 Bars in green and purple. 

Saturday morning we went to Sauder's. If you've never been to Sauder's you haven't shopped for fabric. I bought an obscene amount of the Allentown Art Museum's toiles. I'm thinking really elegant backs. An added bonus this year was an exhibit of antique quilts, all for sale. The best of the bunch was a Fleur de Lis in PA German colors: turkey red motifs with yellow centers on double pink with a Lancaster blue border--it brightened up a miserable rainy day. 

Our next stop was supposed to be the show, but I'd been telling Julie about going antiquing with Barb Garrett after the FVF Seminar and we decided to check those spots out first. Julie grew up on the West Coast and she hasn't gotten used to walking into antique shops and finding lots of really nice quilts (it happens in PA). Obviously it was her lucky day because at our first stop I was distracted by Weller pottery (of all things) and she found the best quilt of the day. It's a scrappy kind of Jack in the Pulpit block (an amazing variety of 1870-80 fabric) with a very well executed zig-zag border. 

By the time we got back to Lancaster it was after 3 p.m. Since neither of us wanted to spend $9.00 each plus $5.00 for parking at the show we went to what I call "The Renegade Mall" across the road (a whole bunch of vendors not part of the show). I consoled myself for not finding a quilt by buying some books from Dover Street: Quilted Memories of Schuylkill County which I've resisted buying for years because it's only 80 pages and cost $35.00, but it was the only PA book I didn't have and the first thing I saw paging through it was an inscribed Rolling Stone, and Patchwork Iowa Quilts and Quilters by Jacqueline Andre Schmeal which is not a documentation project but has lots of pictures from the author's collection. Since I found my own chintz quilt the next day right here at home I don't mind that I didn't find a quilt in Lancaster or get to the show. Maybe next year. 

Cinda on the Eastern Shore where we actually had spring today


Subject: Davy Crocket info From: "Linda Heminway" <ibquiltncomcast.net> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 05:02:00 -0400 X-Message-Number: 1

Thanks for the info on the DC pattern. I'm going to keep my eyes open to see if the original pattern comes up on e-bay or elsewhere. I don't have an embroidery sewing machine and the one presently on e-bay is for that kind of machine, isn't it? I work the old fashioned way, by hand, when it comes to embroidery.

And yes, I remember my Fireking cerial bowls with Davy Crocket on them, I still have one! I used to have my Kellogs corn flakes with milk and blueberries in them in the summertime, they tasted better when I used this bowl! Also have Fireking coffee mugs, the green colored ones and I swear my tea tastes better in those as well, not sure why. Linda Heminway Plaistow NH


Subject: Re: D. Crockett & featherweight From: Barbara Burnham <

Carolyn, Perhaps the same ebay seller could tell you about the original patterns. If they are from a published pattern, hopefully she would have checked on copyright before she started selling copies the patterns. Barbara Burnham Ellicott City, MD

Crm793aol.com wrote: Okay, Okay, I know the pioneers didn't have electricity so didn't have a featherweight machine, got my centuries confused.

The Davy Crockett quilt that I have is only 9 blocks and the copies on ebay proved to me that part of the quilt is missing. I'm talking about the photocopies of the original patterns, not the ones for an embroidery machine. I would like to know the name of the company that published the patterns to use in documenting my quilt. I purchased it in Hillsboro, TX.

Carolyn Miller


Subject: QHL: Iowa Illinois Quilt Study Group April 2, 2005 Meeting (Long) F

Good Morning,

Here is a copy of Cathy Litwinow's Iowa-Illinois Quilt Study Group April 2, 2005 meeting report which she asked me to post to QHL. Photographs will be coming to our webpage and I will post again when those are available for viewing. Enjoy Cathy's report.

Iowa/Illinois Quilt Study Group April 2, 2005

The magnolia tree in front of the Kalona Quilt and Textile Museum was no match to the quilts presented inside the Grout Church located in the Kalona Historical Village. Last Saturday, 51 quilt historians from Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Missouri came to the beautiful Midwestern Amish community of Kalona, Iowa to study timeless quilt treasures with fellow quilt enthusiasts. The group was welcomed by The Kalona Historical Village President and Marilyn Woodin, the quilt curator of the Kalona Quilt and Textile Museum.

Cathy Litwinow opened up the morning Show and Share portion of the meeting and the group was treated to some eye candy.

Juanita started the show and share with a Hexagon and Triangle of navy blue, rose, muslin, and brown dating circa 1870's -- a similar quilt can be found on pages 38 & 39 of American Quilts from Michigan State University Museum, 2003. Marilyn G. showed a Log Cabin in the Straight Furrow set. The quilting was done diagonally. The indigo, burgundy, shirting, and pink log quilt came from an estate in Cambridge, Illinois. Barb showed a Single Irish Chain-9-patch, which doubled as an indigo study piece. Other colors were bronze, madder, chrome with feed sacks used as well. Janice found a lovely Log Cabin at a garage sale with Baptist fan quilting. With white and pink centers the logs were mostly browns. Connie brought Grandma Klynn's family treasure. The pinwheel variation colors were arranged to make identification of the pattern difficult. The family has always called it the Scrappy Quilt. Susan discovered a basket quilt made by Carlie Sexton's Aunt Raney. Ms. Raney used mail order patterns and magazine articles from the 1920's that won her State Fair awards. Carlie gave the quilt to a neighbor who lived in Wheaton, IL. The quilt came back to IA. The unusual feature, for a quilt made in the 1930's, was the small scale piecing and the 5 inch featured wreaths in the setting squares and 3/8th inch grid quilting. Babette wowed the group with a Bow Tie quilt with 2 and a half inch squares. A Trip Around the World setting was used. The quilt thought to be made in Iowa was finished with a now faded red tulip border. Purchased at an auction in Springfield, Illinois, Vyki's 4-block Cherry Tree Top amazed the group. The historians in the group discovered the pattern was from a 1922 LADIES HOME JOURNAL. Similar quilts are in the Art Institute of Chicago and the Denver Art Institute. LHJ sold a transfer pattern for the quilt. There was a Bucilla kit with four simplified cherry trees and a few birds. The Tree of Life with birds in the branches and vases in between had the border vine just basted on. The number of cherries in the tree's been not counted but close to 40+ per tree. Jacqueline's sister-in-law's father bought a Rose Cross with Oak leaf and Tulips - when the husband saw it he hated it so the quilt became Jacqueline's. The four blocks were set together with the tiniest green piping between blocks and border. There was wreath quilting. This pattern was seen in the 1850's-60's. Another highlight was the bars and stars quilt brought by Carrie. It was thought to be handed down from the owner's family. A similar quilt can also be found on p.31 of Barbara Brackman's QUILTS FROM THE CIVIL WAR. Leona found a Tumbler quilt which was almost a charm quilt. There were only a few fabrics duplicated. One unusual conversation print was of a newspaper boy. The top was found in an Iowa antique mall and finished by quilting in the ditch.

Shirley displayed a Burgoyne Surrounded - some of the colors have faded. The quilt was made by a Great Aunt and given to the owner's mother as a wedding present at her 1896 wedding. 4-H members might have made the Ruby Short McKim's Flower Garden Quilt (published in 1930). Some of the flowers were colored rather embroidered. Signatures (Initials) were embroidered on each block. The light green alternating blocks were quilted with a four-leaf clover. Bev exhibited a red and tan baby quilt. This 9-patch set on point was dated as circa 1880. A quilt purchased in Des Moines, IA at the Marilyn Hines auction came with a history. Supposedly it was made by a Dr. Park's wife and daughter Jennie for him to take to the Civil War. The red fabrics were for love of his wife, the pinks for Jennie, and the blue and whites for the Union. Jennie died in her 90's and the quilt was given to Mrs. Hines. Jane is the fortunate owner. Shirley amazes us each meeting with her fabulous finds. This time it was printing blocks used to print fabric. The holders' arms got tired holding the heavy wood and metal pieces. The blocks came from Scotland, the registration points were seen on each corner so the blocks would line up accurately. One was a flower pattern and the other could have used for a border. Barbara started a discussion on a tan and dark green quilt with a tape binding, which could possibly be Amish/Mennonite and from Lancaster, PA. It was dated circa 1880's. Jenean's Log cabin quilt did double duty as an antique in the am and an Indigo study in the afternoon. Purchased from a Cedar Rapids antique shop, this Barn Raising set top was a study in the many Indigo's available in the 1870's. Other colors were creams and yellows. The squares were stitched on a fabric foundation. Over 700 different fabrics were used to make Kim Cairns' Herringbone/triangle quilt. Purchased at an antique shop in 2002, only 6 or 7 fabrics were duplicated. The rich madders and double pinks added to the movement of the piece. To top it off the back was an Eli Walker fabric. DeLaine brought a double 4-patch made in the 1880-90's. This was only one of the few quilts that were machine quilted. Catherine Noll Litwinow ended the morning show and share by showing paternal twins Dogwood Blossom Applique Kit Quilts. One had a lime sherbet background and the other a light blue. The kits were "Progress #1392. It should be noted that the kit was also available with a peach background. Next on the IIQSG meeting agenda was a tour of the current quilt exhibit at the Kalona Quilt and Textile Museum entitled "Baltimore Beauties from Iowa." The Baltimore Album Quilts were appliqués by Thuy Nguyen, these magnificent works of art awed the Study group. This must-see exhibit is a bit of Maryland in the Midwest.

After lunch the group was treated to an afternoon Indigo study. The Indigo program began with a dye kit demonstration, led by Cathy Litwinow and her assistant Babette Moorleghan, of the oxygenation needed to turn the yellow tape which was submerged in a mixture of activated indigo and sodium hydrosulfite solution. The dyeing kit can be purchased from the Universe of Science. Inc at www.universityofscience.com. The Indigo demonstrations items were swept away and an afternoon Indigo Show and Share began. 6 large tables were filled with examples of a large variety of Indigo items. The group got to see: 1 Kimono, 1 silk Sari (a sorry sari), 2 items from the Amana Print Works in the form of an apron and a pillow, 19 quilts, 11 tops, 4 set of indigo blocks, and a comforter. Sixteen pieces of new and old indigo fabrics were shown and Da Gama fabrics (some of these fabrics are available at www.reproductionfabrics.com).Karan Flanscha shared her Indigo Textile Study notebook with the group. Some Japanese Indigos were brought -- To make Japanese Indigo, the cloth is fermented in Japanese Cypress vats. This technique is dying out. (See the 1994 Sept/Oct PIECE WORK MAGAZINE). With Indigo, a difficult to date fabric, it is only through discussion and comparing the fabrics used with the indigo, that some of the pieces were dated. A fabulous Redwork Album Fundraising Signature quilt made by the Ladies Social Circle, M.E. Church, Keota, Iowa was shown to the group by Rachel (from the Wilson Memorial Libary) and Andi Reynolds (IIQSG member). Made in 1890 as a church fundraiser the quilt contains business ads within blocks ($3.00) and signatures (10 cents). The quilt hung in the M.E. Church for years until the church closed. A member stored it in her home for a number of years until it was given to the Wilson Memorial Library, Keota, Iowa which houses Keota's museum. As of March 2005, this quilt is being documented and researched. The quilt is approximately 60 x 70 and is tied at the block intersections. If you'd like to get a glimpse of some of the quilt blocks on this Redwork beauty, check out this web page: http://www.iowa-history.com/quiltindex.html

The group had time to visit the village with special attention given to the Weaving House. The next meeting of IIQSG is Saturday, August 6, 2005 and we welcome all of you to come.

Sue in Illinois


Subject: Looking for Nancy Tuckhorn Gibson From: Julie Silber 

Hi Everyone, I will make a summary of response about our "stumper" of last week -- crib quilt with medallion and diamonds. I'll post it soon.

Meanwhile, I am looking for Nancy Tuckhorn Gibson. Anyone have current contact info? (Not the DAR address.) Thanks, Julie Silber



Subject: more decoding help requested From: "Andi"

I've come across some other terms in this redwork Keota quilt I don't know. We have not yet solved the "Port Maniaos" mystery, but IF the apparent "i" is a "t" that lost its cross-bar, as I have seen in one or two other places, then perhaps this is a phonetic spelling of "portmanteaus," as I originally thought. I still like the suggestion of 'porte monnaies,' but can't find anything to support the idea that this refers to a place of manufacture - although I liked that idea very much.


On to other mysteries: In a block describing a dry goods store that carries cashmeres and mohairs, is the word "Henriettas." What are they?


In another dry goods block is this phrase, "Young Men's Suits in Neat, Natty and Nobby Styles." I'm sure this refers to something other than my current understanding of "neat" and "natty," and I don't understand "nobby" as a style, but as a texture.


There is reference to "Tie" and "Cravat" pins. What's the difference?


At the Iowa Illinois Quilt Study Group, several people looked at this quilt - all too briefly, I'm sure - and were not as persuaded as I am, after mapping the entire thing, about misspellings. So in the same dry goods block that has "Henriettas," does the term "Satines" mean something besides a misspelled "satins" or "sateens" or something else? And if it is a misspelling, do we have any way of knowing which way the error goes without a store inventor, i.e., a common (currently considered mistaken) spelling for 1890?


We will ultimately have a listing, if not glossary, of all of the advertising terms, so any and all help is most appreciated.


Andi in extremely smoky - wonder why - Keota, Iowa


Subject: Re: more decoding help requested From: Joan Kiplinger 

Andi -- henrietta was a fine twill dress goods fabric of wool, silk or blends and with cotton added sometimes.They were mostly used for mourning dresses, skirtings and street dresses. Fabric was classed the same as cashmere [a fine wool or silk/wool woven to resemble cashmere], often advertised together and the names interchanged. Fabric went off market somewhere around early WWI years, possibly late Edwardian. Satine is similar to sateen and satinette, usually of a firmer weave.

Andi wrote:

> >On to other mysteries: In a block describing a dry goods store that carries >cashmeres and mohairs, is the word "Henriettas." What are they? > > > > >


Subject: Re: more decoding help requested From: Joan Kiplinger <

Andi -- I sent last message before adding this. Neat, natty and nobby refer to worsted, wools or wool blends. Neat is neat wool from the sides of Luster sheep which produces a certain type of worsted. Natty is probably the American spelling for natté, a basketweave effect. Nobby I have seen on old catalogs for wool suits having slubs and nubs but know little else about at the moment. A cravats and ties are tied or looped differently.


Subject: an answer about Henriettas From: "Andi" <andi0613iowatelecom.net> 

QHL, this is a cobbled together post from a back-and-forth between very quiet (lurking) Marilyn Woodin and myself about Henriettas:

Hi Andi,

Henrietta was a fabric terminology and very hard to find samples of now. The Amish were very fond of Henrietta. It was not a company name as far as I know and I am stopping here because I long ago looked up Henrietta for some research on Amish fabrics and I shall tell you sometime of my luck of finding some---however----Eve Granek in her book Amish Quilts gives a reference to Henrietta and I am stopping to find the book and reference------more to come-----marilyn (Woodin)


> aha----I found it and the name of the book is "The Amish Quilt". Eve

> and her husband David Wheatcroft bought their first Amish quilt from

> me---old---and she was kind enough to remember and place 2 of my

> quilts that were Kalona quilts and are now in the museum, in her book.

> They were kids at the U then. She has made quite a place for herself

> in information on Amish quilts and David became a "picker".


> "Henrietta. Henrietta cloth was a popular American dress fabric in

> the late 19th and early 20th centuries. It was used widely to

> describe a variety of woolen fabrics. Traditionally, henrietta was a

> cloth of silk warp and woolen weft. By the late 19th century,

> however, the word had come to describe a number of lightweight , cashmere-like fabrics.

> It was made in both woolen and worsted woolen cloth. Some henriettas

> resembled cashmere with a high shiny finish; others had a more salt

> and pepper appearance due to the different colored warp and weft threads.

> The fabric most commonly described in Amish quilts as "henrietta" is

> the salt and pepper variety. This is a type of plain, solid colored

> fabric which actually had a slightly frosted and fancier appearance so

> popular with Amish women. This commonly used material disappeared

> from the market in the 1920's." - Marilyn


From Andi to Marilyn:


Fantastic information and fits right in with the dated quilt and the

> other items listed for that dry goods establishment. You hit the

> jackpot on the first try! Many thanks! Do you mind if I post all of

> this to QHL?


Marilyn to Andi:


no, but all the experts in the east will know all about it I am sure---


This is back to Andi's voice:


Because "Henriettas" appears in not just the same block but the same quadrant of a block as the terms "mohair," "cashmere" and "linens," this makes sense to me.


Gracias encore, Marilyn.





Subject: Re: QHL: Iowa Illinois Quilt Study Group April 2, 2005 Meeting (Long) From:

More information about the Cherry Tree Quilt . I purchased a finished one several years ago. My quilt was published in a book about 1985 and a gentleman called me to tell me about his Cherry Tree quilt. It was published in 1940 in Good Housekeeping and the pattern is from a quilt in Art Institute of Chicago collection that dated from1820 . It was manufactured by / Bernhard Ulmann Co. 30-20 Thomson Ave. Long Island City, N.Y. 11101 for G.H. He sent me copies of the G.H. info he had obtained from them and it was very complete . Amy Goodhart in sunny Miami


Subject: Re: Egyptian cotton From: Sandra Millett <smillettsbcglobal.net> 

Joan: So nice to know that others have confirmed that the Egyptian cotton from JoAnns is wonderful. Almost have my book proposal ready to go! If not for a writer's conference this weekend, it would be in the mail. Sandra Millett


Subject: Special Thank you From: Litwinowaol.com Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 06:44:00 EDT

Good Morning, Please add a huge thank you to Denise Clausen! She gave the Iowa/Illinois Quilt Study Group permission to use "Indispensable Indigo-The Deepest of Blue" information found on her web site. http://www.oregoncoast.com/denisedesigns/indigo.htm It's a wonderful article. Cathy Litwinow (Up to early to know what the weather is like)


Subject: what does this mean? From: "Lucinda Cawley" <lrcawleycomcast.net> 

I think we've had this discussion before, but now it's my problem and I can't remember the answer. I saw a "splasher" embroidered in dull, blue gray. A girl holding a basket of eggs is standing with a couple of geese in front of a stove. Above her are the words (I have no idea what language this is so I'm sure my transcription is full of errors) "Kybapuya Mara za pyrakje uehe wruyur Fycke gara." What is the language and what does it mean? Thanks. Cinda on the Eastern Shore


Subject: IIQSG Photos on Website From: "Susan Wildemuth" <ksandbcwgeneseo.net> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:39:01 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5

The Iowa-Illinois Quilt Study photographs from our April 2, 2005 meeting are up on our web page.


Thanks a million for all the work you do Kris for the regional quilt study group web pages. We appreciate it.

I'd like to second Cathy's thank you to Denise Clausen -- we appreciate your kindness in granting us permission to use your article for a handout in our Indigo Study.

We'd also like to thank Babette Moorleghan for helping with the Indigo Study Demonstration and for helping during our morning show and share. Thanks to Billie Nickolan and Andi Reynolds too.

Our next meeting is going to be Saturday August 6, 2005 -- we are once again going to have an afternoon study with a theme and we will e-mail QHL with the details as the date draws near.

Enjoy the pictures-- Sue in Illinois


Subject: QHL IIQSG Photos From: "Susan Wildemuth" <ksandbcwgeneseo.net> 

Some have e-mailed me with questions about how to enter our webpage to see the April 2, 2005 meeting pictures.  http://www.quilthistory.com/study/IISQG.htm

Sue in Illinois


Subject: Dry Cleaning and Wet cleaning info 

Dear list, I asked,Kris, our list Mom, if she could post two of the handouts that my partner, Colleen Callahan, and I use when we give our day long textile conservation workshop. She very graciously added it to the articles on the quilt history web site. You can find them at: http://www.quilthistory.com/articles.htm. One is 'Dry Cleaning Historic Textiles' and the other is: 'Wet Cleaning Historic Textiles'. As we do tend to focus on costume collections, just substitute the word "quilt" for the word "costume" and you have a tailor made document! Hope this helps somebody somewhere. Our motto is: "take good care of the object and it will take care of you!" Newbie Richardson in 88 degree Northern VA - if this keeps up the tulips will die before they bloom!--


Subject: Hawaiian question From: "Andi" <andi0613iowatelecom.net> 

Thanks for all y'all's help on Henriettas; Neat, Natty and Nobby; and Satines. Not a day goes by that I don't learn how much more I have to learn. Yowza.

On the Keota redwork quilt is a signature, "C D Pringle, Honolulu, HI." It is the only signature followed by a place name (although there are entire blocks assigned to the town of Harper, IA). Pringle's name is followed by two words: "Hoomanawanui." And "Kalakapu." Each written just that way - enclosed in quotation marks, followed by a period. We as yet have no connection between C D Pringle and Keota, but as this was an M.E. church-based quilt, we think he might have been visiting family (no other Pringles, though) or been a missionary traveling through at the time the quilt was being subscribed. Also, his name is in a block that is more of a mixed bag than most of the blocks, and it is the last one, bottom right corner. This suggests happenstance more than planning to us. Can our Hawaiian members help with the quotation words? Thanks in advance.


Andi in Keota, Iowa


Subject: Genesee Country Museum-Mumford, NY 2005 From: "Beth Davis"

The Genesee Country Village & Museum in Mumford, NY (20 miles south of Rochester), a "living" museum is giving visitors a visual history lesson once again this year with the exhibit “Quilts Uncovered: Treasures from Genesee Country Village & Museum.” Three rooms of the John L. Wehle Art Gallery are devoted to the exhibition of pieces from the museum’s wide-ranging historic quilt collection highlighting virtually every style from the 19th century. This spectacular show features whole-cloth, pieced and crazy quilts, as well as quilted garments, children’s dresses, and pristine uncut yardage of 19th-century quilting fabrics. A new book based on the museum's quilt collection will be coming out in May! Details regarding “In Praise of Quilts” will be available soon. In conjunction with the exhibit, the village celebrates the craftsmanship and art of quiltmaking through daily demonstrations of piecing and hand quilting in the Foster-Tufts House (c. 1836). On May 21 and 22, 2005 from 10:00 am to 5:00 pm each day, the museum will host “In Praise of Quilts,” an event featuring lecture by nationally known quilt historian and author Shelly Zegart from Louisville, KY on Saturday May 21 “Political Quilts: A Women’s View” and by Dee Stark, author of “A Spider Web for Luck: Symbols & Motifs used in Crazy Quilting” On Sunday May 22. A tearoom will offer light lunches and refreshments. There will be vendors, demonstrations raffle quilt, and quilt appraisals by appointment. The exhibit runs from May through October 2005. For more information or to make an appointment for an appraisal: Please call (585) 538-6822. Visit the museum on the Web at www.gcv.org.

If you have any questions regarding the show please let me know. Regards, Beth Davis ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Cloth of Gold From: "Audrey Waite" <awquiltrsedona.net> 

I searched the archives and couldn't find the digest where we had = discussed the origin of cloth of gold. As I recall it was a line of = fine cottons in many solid colors available in the 30's. I have a 30's = quilt with "cloth of gold" showing in the selvedge. Hopefully someone = has a better memory or skills in searching than I.

Audrey Waite Sedona, AZ ---


Subject: Cloth of Gold From: Joan Kiplinger <jkipncweb.com> 

Audrey --Per 1984 and 1990 Ladies Circle Patchwork Quilts magazines, Cloth of Gold and Bluebird - Cloth of Gold were the names of a converter of piece goods specializing in a line of fine cottons—lawn, batiste, nainsook, dimity, muslin, and using the name of an old-time favorite fabric which was woven and dyed in different southern mills and distributed by various companies and which became synonymous with quality cotton piece goods. I have a 1920s Farmers Wife quilting booklet which recommended and sold pure white Cloth of Gold for quilt backing, guaranteed not to yellow. I also have CoG & Bluebird nainsook, longcloth and lawn yardage from the 1940s-early 50s. I understand that as late as the 1980s a fabric catalog was offering CoG though I don't know name of catalog or if there were only one fabric or the whole line


Subject: Another and bigger Yippee! From: Alice Kinsler 

Dear List Members, I have to crow a little and share that not only has my exhibit, "From Dust Bowl to Salad Bowl: The Quilts and Quiltmakers of the 1930s Migration to the Salinas Valley" been accepted as an exhibit at the National Steinbeck Center in Salinas CA (Sept 30-Feb 28), but I just received notification of a $5,000 graduate research grant from the Craft Research Fund for projects and graduate research. A total of 57 applications from 25 states and 3 foreign countries were submitted for project grants and 12 applications for graduate research grants. The National Advisory Board of the Center for Craft, Creativity and Design met April 1 and 2 and recommended 10 grants totaling $95,000, Needless to say, I am honored and ecstatic!

Thanks to all of you who have given me encouragement, ideas, suggestions and feedsack items (you're a peach, Xenia). And Merikay has agreed to do a lecture/workshop. I'm really excited!

Thanks, Alice Kinsler -


Subject: New Yorker Article on Unicorn Tapestries From: RBCochranaol.com 

I would like to draw your attention to an article by Richard Preston in the April 11, 2005, issue of the New York. It is called "Capturing the Unicorn," and relates how two mathematicians helped the Metropolitan Museum of New York when the Unicorn Tapestries (which hang in the Cloisters) were being conserved. The link is http://www.newyorker.com/fact/. You'll learn about textile conservation and digital photography. --Rachel


Subject: Re: Genesee Country Museum-Mumford, NY 2005 From: "Lucinda Cawley"

Great news from Beth Davis that there's a book coming about the Genessee Country Museum quilts. I saw the exhibit last fall (I'm now trying to figure out a time to see it again) and it is wonderful. The museum is not just a stop on the way to someplace else (e.g. Niagra Falls); it's a destination, one of the largest outdoor museums in the country. You can easily spend an entire day exploring 19h century buildings with period furnishings moved to the site from all over western NY. It's a village setting a la Old Sturbridge Village with costumed interpreters (storekeeper, blacksmith, printer, quilters, etc.). You can explore the Finger Lakes on the same visit. Cinda on the Eastern Shore


Subject: Cloth of Gold & Harriet Vane From: Mary Persyn 

A piece of trivia - In the last of the Lord Peter Wimsey novels published during Dorothy L. Sayers lifetime (Busman's Honeymoon), Lord Peter and Harriet Vane get married. Harrier wears a dress of cloth of gold. Peter's catty sister-in-law writes to a friend "Harriet ... had enough sense of propriety not to get herself up in white satin and orange-blossom; but I could not help thinking that a plain costume would have been more suitable than cloth of gold." From that description I have always thought that cloth of gold was something more than cotton.

For the meaning behind the quote you have to be familiar with the whole Lord Peter series of novels. If anyone cares, let me know and I can send you an explanation.

Dorothy L. Sayers was one of the foremost mystery writers in the "golden years" of the British mystery and was a contemporary of Agatha Christie.

Saturday morning trivia from sunny Valparaiso IN



Subject: Cloth of gold From: "Karen Evans" <charter.net>

True cloth of gold was silk warp and genuine gold weft. There were imitations and substitutes from early times, and I seriously doubt that Harriet would have worn genuine cloth of gold because of the cost (it = was also nearly impossible to find by the 1930s).

However, gold cloth or silver colored cloth (probably a silk of some = sort) was considered perfectly fine for a second wedding. Since Harriet had = lived with a man before her marriage, and all of England knew it thanks to the events in =3DStrong Poison,=3D the comment about cloth of gold being = more suitable than white in her case was a way of acknowledging that she had = been in a relationship that approximated marriage.

I seriously doubt that Sayers meant American cotton. And wasn't the Harriet's gown made by Worth, which was a high-end couture house?

Karen Evans (who first read a Lord Peter Wimsey book in junior high)

And for those who wish see genuine cloth of gold, here's a link to a = reconstruction of the Golden Gown of Queen Margrethe I of Denmark = http://www.virtue.to/articles/margaret.html ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C53D00.38BECD50--


Subject: Cloth of Gold & Harriet Vane From: Joan Kiplinger 

Mary -- I have read all of Dorothy Sayers works and all of the Lord Wimsey whimsies. :-D The cloth of gold referred to is the original cloth of gold from medieval times when silver, gold and other metalics filaments were actually woven into cloth, usually linen or sometimes silk or velvet. I would have enjoyed Dorothy if she sometimes were not so detailed and dragged out -- the Nine Tailors for example.


Subject: Re: Cloth of Gold & Harriet Vane From: "Lucinda Cawley" 

Joan, The Nine Tailors is my absolute favorite of the Lord Peter Wimsey mysteries. Without it I'd know nothing at all about bell ringing (G). Dorothy Sayers was also a noted translator of Dante. Cinda, a big Dorothy L. fan, on the Eastern Shore


Subject: Cloth of Gold & Harriet Vane From: Joan Kiplinger 

Lucinda -- my hat off to you for bearing with all those descriptive pages. I felt as if I had been gonged out of my gourd by the time the dissertation ended -- after nearly 40 years I still hear ringing in the little grey cells. :-D My favorite UK mystery writer was Marjorie Allingham who had one character in the fashion business so that made her Campion series even more special. And I still say to this day "wotcher think", a line made famous by the one and only world's best valet Magersford [sp??] Lugg.


Subject: Re: Another and bigger Yippee! From: "Karen Evans" 

Very cool! Any chance there will be links to the exhibit so that those of us in other states can get a look? It sounds fascinating.

Karen Evans 


Subject: old top new back/ white gloves From: "ginghamfrontiernet.net"

Thank you to everyone who replied on and offlist to my question about the quilt my friend (my sister) bought on ebay and confirmed my guess that it was an older top that was quilted later and not Amish.

Now another question-what is a good/quick/reasonable place to buy white gloves? I need a pair soon for my appraising classes. I can do an internet search but it would be nice to narrow down the choices. Thanks in advance. Sandra Starley in Utah



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