Subject: Lincoln not exactly
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 23:31:37 -0500
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There are so many theories on what is right in a 'period room';
site'; 'living history museum'; 'restoration';'interpretation'
endless. In the Historic Preservation program at Columbia U's school
architecture one of our assignments was to critique the period rooms
in the
American Wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. It was WILD. There
no absolute right. The best we can do is post disclaimers all over
exhibit, in the brochure and train the guides as thoroughly as
possible. I
did a stint at a living history museum as a "interpreter" or guide.
invaluable experience in how people perceive their material

So Stephanie yes the furniture may be wrong, the walls are wrong, the
levels are wrong, the environmental controls are wrong, the level of
cleanliness is wrong ; the smells are wrong; and on and on and on.

I cannot go into a restored building/period room etc without a few
bricks of
salt under each arm. The magic is gone.

That being said, the Immigrant Museum in the Lower East Side of
has impressed me with their scholarship. Working for NYS and
grants I was given extra ordinary access. While reading their grant
application for the creation of the "Irish Apartment" on the fourth
floor, I
was near tears.

Marie in Albany formerly of lower Manhattan, NYC


Subject: Lincoln quilts
From: "Jennifer Perkins" <>

We went to Springfield last summer and really enjoyed visiting all
Lincoln sites. In the Lincoln home there are mostly woven coverlets
on the
beds. In the Museum they have a replica of his log cabin on the tour
1830, and the bed has a lovely 1930s quilt on it. I mentioned it to
a few
of the tour guides, but how does one really make changes in things
that? Many quilts on the beds out at the New Salem Historic Site
which has
recreated the log cabin town Lincoln lived in after he left his
parents home
and went out on his own. An exception town! Quilts are replicas,
but many
are actually period appropriate. Highly recommend the whole

Jennifer in Iowa



Subject: Re: Lincoln - not exactly quilt related

Re the 'Underground Railroad/Quilt' myth...just tell them to 'show me
proof that quilts were ever used as signs for the underground
railroad' Can't
do it and it does quiet people to a point.....
Mitzi from cold Vermont where 12" of new snow if forecast for


Subject: Lincoln Quilt
From: Donald Beld <>

The quilt on the bed at the Lincoln Historical Log Cabin site is not
the Lincoln Quilt---it is Wandering Foot or Turkey Tracks.

I looked through the internet sites for a Lincoln Quilt--there used
to be a company back East that sold modern versions--and couldn't
find one. There is a reference to a Lincoln Star Quilt; which is just
a Chinese Log Cabin and has nothing to do with historical fact.

The Lincoln Quilt (as far as I know it was never actually owned by
Lincoln; as I said earlier it was a gift to his Mom--probably a
wedding gift) is a very interesting quilt with a checkerboard Maltese
Cross that consists of 3/4 inch squares and has Lemoyne Stars in each of
the corners to find the block. It has many, many pieces as early
19th Century quilts tend to have. It is a large quilt. As I remember
it, there are either four or eight of the basic blocks.

I will continue to look for a photo and let you all know if I find
one. Best, Don


Subject: Lincoln Quilt Pattern
From: Donald Beld <>

Silly me! You can see the pattern in Brackman's book Encyclopedia of
Pieced Quilt Patterns. It is #3742 and attributed to Ann Orr.
Frankly, I doubt that this quilt ever actually existed; which is why I
would like to know where it is. Best, Don


Subject: RE: Lincoln Quilt
From: "Vivien Sayre" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:33:49 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6

The Lincoln Quilt pattern can be seen on The Electric Quilt Co.
BlockBase, Category: Eight Pointed Stars. Sub-Category: Star Off
Pattern #3742. I am sure it is listed in the Encyclopedia of Pieced
Quilt Patterns as well.

Vivien In MA


Subject: Lincoln article
From: "Steve & Jean Loken" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:37:08 -0600
X-Message-Number: 7

Mary, Thanks for that link. I hope we'll be visiting it on our way
home from
our winter retreat. My DH is a presidential history buff, and if I
can get
an old quilt out of it, great!
Jean in MN


Subject: RE: Lincoln Quilt
From: Alan <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:48:54 -0800
X-Message-Number: 8

> The Lincoln Quilt pattern can be seen on The Electric Quilt Co.
> BlockBase, Category: Eight Pointed Stars. Sub-Category: Star Off
> Center.

I couldn't find the block base. Would you please send the URL?



Subject: Re: Lincoln not exactly
From: "Stephanie Whitson" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:00:19 -0600
X-Message-Number: 9

Just want to thank those who took time to post and educate me on the
challenges inherent in any historical re-creation. I should have
that the difficulties I have with "realism" in writing historical
apply to just about every other area where we try to make history
come alive
for people.

Stephanie (who is grateful that the SMELLS are always wrong in
re-creations :-))


Subject: Re: Lincoln Quilt Pattern
From: "Stephanie Whitson" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:03:13 -0600
X-Message-Number: 10

This is the quilt reproduced in the Better Homes & Garden book
mentioned yesterday complete with page numbers. Checkerboard and
stars in
the corners. Complete with instructions on how to make it. I don't
what the book said about the history of the pattern but it does


Subject: RE: Lincoln Quilt
From: "Vivien Sayre" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:13:17 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11

BlockBase is a computer program based on Barbara Brackman's
of Pieced Quilt Patterns. It is published by The Electric Quilt
and the last time I looked, sold by AQS. I use it a great deal to
blocks and their categories. I believe it also provides a host of
features including quilt design, but this is not my focus. I am sure
others have used it and can give you more detail. Hope this helps.


(Please Note: No compensation or relationship with any of the above
mentioned companies.)

Subject: Re: Lincoln - not exactly quilt related

I'm with you Kris!
Mitzi from cold and snowy (predicted) Vermont!


Subject: Re: Lincoln not exactly quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:05:01 +0000
X-Message-Number: 13

> Stephanie (who is grateful that the SMELLS are always wrong in
> today's re-creations :-))

In York, UK, there is a museum of Viking history on an archaeological

site where all the smells are very authentically replicated. Kids
always particularly enjoy the latrine <G>. I found this page where
the York museum smells are mentioned at the end of the article, but
apparently the maker supplies lots of smells - some more attractive
than others.

There is apparently something to be said for smellorama. According
the following, research has shown that if you link a smell to
something you remember it better.$/british-journal-of-psychology$/smell-that-memory.cfm

Well, isn't that a surprise!

Sally Ward


Subject: Re: Lincoln not exactly quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:10:14 +0000
X-Message-Number: 14

Sorry, forgot the smells link...

Sally Ward


Subject: Looking for applique blocks
From: "Sharon Stark" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:51:43 -0500
X-Message-Number: 15

I've been studying two different applique blocks that I have found
on a number of quilts, several of which I currently own, and all of
so far, come from the same area of eastern PA. I would love to know
anything more about these two blocks - if anyone has a name for them,
anyone has seen them separately, and the origins of any quilt that
you may
know about that uses this pair.

I've posted the pictures on the eboard
the quilt tab.

Thanks for any help!

Sharon Stark

Subject: Lincoln Boyhood memorial
From: "cjsp70" <>

I enjoyed the article on the Lincoln sites. My family spends a week
the Boyhood site each summer. The farm cabin has a trundle bed with
quilts on it. The one was hand pieced by the person in charge of the

Farm and it is a nine patch that we tried to show as a typical
of a quilt in 1830. I spend the week quilting out under the trees in
yard while the roosters and chickens peck around in the yard and my
husband, son and son-in-law blacksmith about 50 feet from the cabin.
try my best to debunk the Underground Railroad quilt belief,
of the school teachers who stop by the quilt frame and because this
place is connected to Abraham Lincoln they will often start a
conversation about the UGRR quilts. We also spent a day last
at the Birthplace in Kentucky. Husband did a blacksmithing
while I worked at handpiecing a quilt top. The schools bused in over

1500 children to see the different demonstrations.Their head ranger
going to give some classes to the school children in Kentucky this
winter and he has asked my husband to make some replicas of shakles,

chain, tags and neck locks that were used during the slave times. He

will mention the UGRR also. I told him that my husband can only make
replicas for him if he also shares that the Quilt Code is a myth.
this helps a little to get the word out.


Subject: re: Looking for applique blocks
From: "Velma Freudenthal" <>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:22:56 -0800
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Tonight I was thinning out old magazines and saw an example of your
paired blocks in QNM Jan/Feb 1996. It is identified as made by
Luckinbill Seidel in Virginville, PA in 1900 as a wedding quilt. 20


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Re Lincoln sites

I woke up yesterday, Mr Lincoln's 199th birthday, and saw the cabin
lovely blue and white quilt which is about 100 years too new for the
site. sigh

It set me to wondering whether the site would accept a quilt that I
make for
that bed, and whether I might possibly get one handpieced and hand
before his 200th birthday. sigh Then I had my coffee and came to my

It was great to hear from cjsp70 that quilts are being made in early
style at
the site and for the site.

Bright blessings!

~Donna Laing
Bucks County PA

The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy
Awards. Go to AOL Music.




Subject: Block 3742
From: "Pilar Donoso" <>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:04:22 -0300
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Hi Don:

I send you a copy as an attachment, of the Block/Quilt # 3742 from
Hope it is what you are looking for.


Pilar Donoso I.
Santiago, CHILE



Subject: example of tree blocks
From: "Lisa Erlandson" <>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:56:22 -0600
X-Message-Number: 3

I have a quilt from upstate New York, dated 1847 that has two
tree motifs appliquE9d in the border. These are not blocks named
but actual tree shapes. So far, I can only call them 93Charter
93Liberty Tree94 and am trying to locate sources for these names. I

photograph and put on eboard later this week.20

Lisa Erlandson


Subject: Lowel Mass Meeting - The Fish Bag Lady
From: "Louise" <>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:07:51 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4

Hello, at the AQSG meeting in Lowell, I had my sea creatures tote bag
carry around the handouts and fliers, my water, and my embroidery. I
making a crazy patch needle case. I finally got around to posting
of the fish tote, along with the challenge that inspired me to make
it, on
my blog (several ladies requested me to do so). I hope you enjoy it.
regards, Louise

Subject: Rainbow Quilt Block Company
From: "Louise" <>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:37:00 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

It is with sadness that I let you know that Verna R. (Pinch) Niemann,
daughter of William Bray Pinch passed away on January 29, 2008, she
was 81
years old.

Her grand-daughter-in-law Amy is working to bring back the much loved
designs from the Rainbow Quiltblock Company of Cleveland, Ohio.

Regards, Louise


Subject: Lincoln - belated and not quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>

(Thanks to Sally W. for forwarding this to QHL for me; my vacation
computer is not recognized by lyris.)

I was all ready to suggest the author of the Lincoln article invest
a GPS, when I read at the end of the article that indeed he traveled

southEAST from Springfield to begin his Lincoln trail, and not

But I still have a quibble about his descriptions of Thomas Lincoln's

building skills; on one hand he helps build a church, and in the
paragraph his work is crude. Moreover, the negative descriptions of

the log homes (excluding the half-faced camp) he built for his family

suggest that the author has no awareness of the skill needed to fell,

trim, square, notch, and raise green timbers to form walls of an
greater height. (Accurate notching allowed the weight of the rising

structure to rest outward toward the corners of the walls.) On
average, a squared green log 12 feet long and 12" wide on a side will

weigh 1200 lbs. Raising a log of that weight even a foot off the
ground required skill, technique, and help; building even a 12' x 18'

house was a near impossibility for one man working alone. Dirt
floors were common, as dressing logs to a smoothness required for
flooring was labor-intensive and difficult. A half-faced camp
to) could be constructed by a single person.

A house that is 12' x 18' and without openings except for the
doorway and hearth may seem small, crowded, and dark to us, but
security in the wilderness was important. Dense, windowless walls
provided something of a safe haven. For those who wanted privacy,
there was the whole outdoors, solitary if dangerous.



Subject: Thomas Lincoln's workmanship
From: "cjsp70" <>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:11:28 -0600
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In the Evansville, In Museum of Arts and Sciences there is a corner
cabinet made by Thomas Lincoln. The cabin at the Farm at the Lincoln

Boyhood Memorial has a 3/4 size replica that was made by one of the
rangers. Sam spent time at the Evansville Museum drawing plans for
replica. I think both are beautiful. Sam also helps quilt but uses
stab method I asked the list about last year. The quilt history list
been a big help to me as I try to be as accurate as possible in my
volunteer fun. Thanks to all of you. Pat Sauer


Subject: Re: Lincoln - belated and not quilt related
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:24:38 -0500
X-Message-Number: 10

See everybody what I was talkng about? The pitfalls of trying to set
period rooms or historic sites? Because we cannot know everything,
most of
what is in the museums is wrong, imperfect at best. I'm told that the
in the New York State Museum here in Albany are badly dated and

Budgets are limited therefore hiring professional curators is limited
to one
or two curators. They cannot know log cabin building technology,
history, agricultural history, social history, medical history,
history, history of education, history of music, history of clothing,
history of goes on and on. Then there is the dilemna of
volunteers or generous big dollar donors bestowing inappropriate
objects for
display. How do you tell them they don't know what they are doing?
greatest sin is setting ourselves out there immodestly.

The history of windows is a fascinating one. I'm with Xenia. A
cabin is a secure cabin. Security and warmth is everything.

Marie in Albany formerly of lower Manhattan NYC ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:30:34 +0000
X-Message-Number: 1

I'd like to know more about 'dirt' floors - did they use anything
rag rugs on them, or straw perhaps? I ask because my relatively
modern house here in the UK has a concrete floor, with a damp proof
course, and even with underlay and carpet on it I can feel the cold

if I walk round barefoot in the winter. I think its an awful way of

constructing a floor. Yesterday we had a heavy frost overnight, and

as I walked round the garden late afternoon there were areas of lawn

still frozen. Through my wellington boots I felt as if I was
on a block of ice.

So - how did they keep warm when not in bed under a dozen quilts, how

did they keep clean, how big a problem was damp and what proportion
old quilts have suffered damp and mildew?.

Sally Ward
Wearing thick socks, in Yorkshire


Subject: Re: Lincoln - belated and not quilt related
From: "Candace Perry" <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:54:22 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Well, the key is, curatorially, when you don't know everything you
If you see a mistake, tactfully let someone know. I certainly don't
most curatorial folks think they are the alpha and the omega. I
don't. I am constantly learning and that's what matters -- it is
only when
someone is rude in their approach that it sets me on edge. There are
a heck
of a lot smarty pants types who fail to recognize how offensive they
You'd be surprised at what those of us who have been doing this for
do know -- I have knowledge of many diverse things -- from powder
horns to
portraits, and expertise in some. I always, always defer to experts
specific subject areas. And I don't think "most of what is in museums
wrong." That is a terribly vast generalization, and makes me want to
home and hide.
Sorry for the soapbox.
Candace Perry
21 years as a museum person and proud of it


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: "Stephanie Whitson" <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:18:27 -0600
X-Message-Number: 3

What I have read in women's pioneer diaries:

A dirt floor that became so hard packed it was sweeping concrete.

A dirt floor that was regularly "sprinkled" until it packed hard.

Straw (or cut & dried prairie grass before they grew hay) used as a
layer of
"padding" over which rag rugs were laid.

From my reading I think rugs were a high priority for women as soon
possible. I've read lots of reference to "sewing rags" and finally
enough for a rug.

Mention of brooms and sweeping the floor are many. You can see brooms
some of Solomon Butcher's photographs.

How did they keep warm? Often they didn't. Hence high infant
mortality and
women my age (56) who looked 90.
A stressful life battling cold and dirt and varmints.

How did they keep clean? Often they didn't. The winds would have
blown more
dust into any soddie not long after the woman cleaned. It was a
battle. Getting screened doors and windows would have been a day of

"Damp" would have been a definite problem in rainy seasons or when
the roof
leaked, although many who lived in soddies talk about how warm they
were in
winter and how cool in summer. Leaking roofs are an oft-mentioned
for homesteaders, especially in sod houses.

I haven't seen a lot of mildew on quilts from the era but the quilts
usually see are housed in county museums and the like and were in
many cases
probably "best quilts" that received better care. I say this just
the large proportion of quiltsd I've seen are of that quality. both
construction method and the amount of quilting. Much fewer "utility"
quilts seem to have been preserved and you have probably hit on one
of the
reasons--they just wore out or were recycled into other uses and

A board floor was among one of the first things women seemed to have
for on the prairie but they often had to wait a long time because of
lack of
money. Wood had to be purchased on the treeless prairie. Dirt was
Hence, dirt floors and sod houses using as little wood as possible at

That's what I know about dirt floors after a lot of years of reading
diaries & letters & reminiscences from Nebraska, Kansas, and the
Stephanie Whitson


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:22:47 +0000
X-Message-Number: 4

Thank you Stephanie! I'm so glad you did all that reading, I have a
real picture of it all now.

Sally Ward


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Cindy Claycamp <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:59:13 -0500
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Sally,You might read the Little House on the Prarie series by Laura
Wilder. Although written for children,they are a wonderful look at
how peo
ple lived,survived,and struggled as pioneers and settlers. My 10 year
old g
randson is enjoying them now,he calls to tell me about the
stories.Cindy Cl
aycamp in Southern Indiana where ice and snow are still hanging on!>


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Julia Zgliniec <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:07:32 -0800
X-Message-Number: 6

*Good Morning All,
In addition to textile history I am also interested in genealogy. I
found history lives in a very personal way. I have posted an image
found while researching my maiden surname which you may enjoy. A
uncle and his wife are pictured in front of their soddy in Sartoria
Nebraska in 1903.
Julia Zgliniec
clicking the link will take you to the eboard with the picture ( I



Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 18:09:30 +0000
X-Message-Number: 7

Thank you so much for posting that Julia. What an amazing picture.

Your distant aunt looks so trim in her blouse.

Is that a storm shelter on the right? Or storage of some sort?

(And the grass roof - how ecologically sound is that!<G>)

Sally Ward


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Kris Driessen <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:47:55 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 8

Oh, how marvelous! They were showing off how wealthy they were by
putting the horse and buggy in the picture, I bet. And is the
construction on the right a tornado shelter? They clearly posed the
picture to include it.


--- Julia Zgliniec <> wrote:



Subject: Answers re Norwegian coverlet
From: Barbara Woodford <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:23:40 -0600
X-Message-Number: 9

Thought I'd tell folks what I found out about the coverlet on the
AQSG photo post.
I wrote to Vesterheim Museum in Iowa and found from two sources that
the process is called klostersF8m and is stitchery on top of a heavy

woven base.
So it is sort of like a simple form of crewel. It is made on the 20
western coast of Norway,
and the crosses are typical motifs.

JUst so you know if you ever come across another one---------

Barbara Woodford


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: (Jean Carlton)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:42:52 +0000
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okay - so I won't complain about the garbage disposal not working in
the condo we're renting in AZ!
I was thinking there was going to be a quilt in the photo!


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: "Sharron K. Evans" <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:10:47 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11

You're a wealth of information! It may not seem important to you but
wonderful to learn. Thank you for sharing!

Best regards,
Sharron.......... Spring, TX where it's 68 deg sunny and beautiful!

Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Julia Zgliniec <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:02:30 -0800
X-Message-Number: 12

I am glad so many of you enjoyed the "soddy".
I think that the structure to the right of the soddy must be the
storm/root cellar. I have also wondered about where the horses and
buggy were kept. Perhaps in the area just behind where the horses are

standing? Surely the buggy and animals would have been sheltered and
cared for.
Anyway, I could not resist sharing with you all.


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: "Shari Spires" <>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:28:36 -0500
X-Message-Number: 13

We had a similar picture to yours of my great uncle and their soddy
in Okla.
He was in the land rush. I hate to admit it but I think he was a
sooner and
not a boomer.
They also had all their belongings out front including all their
kids, their
horse and buggy and...... her sewing machine.
They later moved on up to Wichita Ka.
I wish I had a copy of that picture.
I did get to tour a soddy in a park in one of the western states. It
was interesting. Those poor women having to live like that.
Shari in NC


Subject: Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:10:45 +0000
X-Message-Number: 1

OK, I'll bite...what's a 'sooner' please?

Sally Ward


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Re: Dirt floors - not quilt related

Stephanie, I love those diaries too. One of the first prairie books I
was Joanna Stratton's Pioneer Women. I'm currently engrossed in The
Blizzard by David Laskin, about the Blizzard of 1888. It's both
and heartbreaking.

A prairie woman of your age (56) might look 90, and would be
elderly. Life expectancy in 1900 was 48 for men, 51 for women.

I am feeling truly blessed and lucky to have awakened in a warm, dry
with carpeted floors, a fully stocked pantry, and hot and cold
running water. It
was a pleasure to make my morning coffee without having to tote wood,
build a
fire, prime a pump, or carry a heavy bucket of water.

Bright blessings!

~Donna Laing
Bucks County PA

The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy
Awards. Go to AOL Music.




Subject: Photo posting suggestion
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:24:17 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 3

Dear QHLers,

I was wondering if each person could identify her/himself when
posting a
photo. I don't always look at photos right away. Just tonight I was
browsing the QHL photo Boards and didn't know who was asking the
or sharing the photos because I wasn't connecting through the
post but rather browsing the photo Boards directly. At a later date
someone want to share additional info with you, we wouldn't know who
contact. Just a suggestion.

Look forward to seeing some of you at the Southern Quilt Seminar!

Karen Alexander
in the San Juan Islands


Subject: Re: dirt floors  not quilt related
From: Pat Kyser <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:19:33 -0600
X-Message-Number: 4

RE: dirt floors
I have writings saying my great grand father kept the floor of their

cabin in Liberty Co, T X(1830's) packed and hard. He brought in clay

and dampened it and tamped it in where ever it got a depression or
became uneven. It must have been very hard, for they speak of
sweeping it.

The part I love, though, is that my great grandmother wore a dust
ruffle to keep her skirt from touching the floor and getting dirty.

When the ruffle got soiled, she would wash and iron it while still
wearing it. I have the impression it was sewn to the bottom of her
skirt, not a separate slip. I have a tiny tin box in which she kept
her needles, which I treasure!
Pat Kyser


Subject: Re: dirt floors  not quilt related
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:20:09 +0000
X-Message-Number: 5

I'm learning a lot here - the one thing I hadn't considered was that

the floors would become hard and polished. We used to go camping,
under the awning after a week there would be a dry and crumbly dirt
floor, I supposed I was thinking it would be like that. The more you

swept the deeper the hole would be!

I'm intrigued by the washing and ironing of the skirt protector
while wearing it. My grandmother used to tell me that if I should
'iron clothes on your back, you'll lose money by the sack'. Since at

the time I was wearing short 60s shifts I couldn't envisage how I
*could* iron clothes on my back!

Sally Ward


Subject: Re: Photo posting suggestion
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:29:45 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6

Great suggestion!!


Subject: : Photo posting suggestion
From: Joan Kiplinger <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:03:27 -0500
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Marie and all -- if you are referring to the eboard, this is shared
vintage fabrics list. From time to time the subject comes up, and for
moment in time we dutifully leave our names. But so often as is the
case, because we've alerted either list to view the photo, we take it

for granted persons will look at it right away and remember who
it. And thus, we revert to anonymity. Sigh.

I would also like to see in group photos, persons IDed; always nice
put a name to a face.


Subject: "sooner"
From: <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:49:17 -0500
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A "sooner" is a person who participated in one of the Oklahoma land
runs in the late 1800s, but instead of waiting until the gun went off
signaling the start of the run, "sooners' cheated and went over the
line "sooner" than they were supposed to, giving them an advantage.
I've never understood why Okies seem to be so proud of this! (I'm a
transplanted Texan.)

There is a Sod House Museum in Aline, Oklahoma, a small town in
Western Oklahoma, not far from Enid. The museum encloses a soddie from
1894. It's quite well done.



Subject: Whigs Defeat on eboard
From: "" <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 07:21:56 -0700
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I'm writing about a red/green quilt on the eboard asking if the quilt

is whig's defeat pattern. To the owner, thanks for sharing your
quilt, it is Whig's Defeat Brackman #1085 or Grandmother's Engagement

Ring Brackman applique #25.9 or Brackman 2529.

You noted the quilt is 'dated Mar 14, 1867 also in roman numerals'.

Is it dated in the quilting?

Sandra Starley
Professional Quilt Appraiser
and Artist
Moab, Utah


Subject: Soddys
From: Mary Persyn <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:44:19 -0600
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One of my favorite picture books is *Solomon D. Butcher:
the American Dream. *Butcher went around Nebraska taking pictures of

families in front of their soddys. The families brought out all
possessions to show how well off they were. I don't remember any
in the pictures, but there are lots of sewing machines. And pet


Mary G. Persyn
Associate Dean for Library Services
School of Law Library
Valparaiso University
656 S. Greenwich St.
Valparaiso, IN 46383
FAX 219-465-7917


Subject: Chintz: Indian Textiles for the West
From: Judy Schwender <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:35:42 -0800 (PST)
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Hello all,
Yesterday I received my copy of "Chintz: Indian Textiles for the
West" by Rosemary Crill.

Read it, studied the plates, checked the end notes for sources, and
the 'further reading' section. Even at the regular price of $55
this is a real value.

I didn't get any drool on the pages but it took a lot of

Judy Schwender


Subject: RE: Julia's soddy
From: Teddy Pruett <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:19:08 -0500

Jullia, Had I been your precious auntie, I would have kilt that man
And the west would never have been settled.Teddy Pruett
Busier than a thousand legged wormtying shoestrings!!

Subject: Needlework on Display at National Cathedral
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:49:42 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 13

I am told there is an amazing work of art on display at the National
Cathedral in the St. John's Chapel. It is called the Keiskamma
and incorporates piecing, applique, embroidery, photography, and
This work was created by 130 South Africans from the small village
Hamburg which was devastated by AIDS and "speaks eloquently of the
of individuals joining
together in sorrow and in hope to give life to a work that honors
who have suffered." Completed in 2005, it has been shown in South
Toronto, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Seattle. The
is the only east coast stop on the tour. Three panels wide and three
panels deep, there is a docent talk and all panels are opened at 2:30
Monday - Saturday and at 12:45 on Sundays. This Sunday, Feb. 17, at
3pm, and 5pm there is a film about the tapestry in the Perry
on the 7th Floor. If you haven't been to the Cathedral recently,
there is
a new underground parking garage right on site. The Keiskamma
will be on display until March 9, 2008. Go to for

Karen Alexander


Subject: RE: Needlework on Display at National Cathedral
From: "Kim Baird" <>
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:21:00 -0600
X-Message-Number: 14


Thank you very much for this information. I'll be in DC in early
March, and
I will make a point of seeing this.


Subject: Re: "sooner"
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:10:41 -0500
X-Message-Number: 15

"sooners" reminds me of "wreckers" on Long Island, NY. I have a work
colleague who is descended from wreckers. Ships coming from Europe
logically reach the eastern shores of Long Island before the
mainland. Ships
captains would look for light houses to guide them in to NYC harbor
Wreckers were long islanders who built fires on the beaches that
lured the
ships to the island where they hit sand bars and rocks. The contents
of the
ship were spilled into the ocean and washed up on the beaches. The
then salvaged the valuable cargo. That is how the story goes. Of
course I
wasn't there so I don't know how accurate it is.

smarty pants Marie from Albany formerly of Lower Manhattan, NYC