Subject: Garbled messages?
From: paulhahn01 <>
 

I'm not sure garbled is the right word, but it seems that lately I am receiving more digests with texts containing unusual sets of symbols inserted between words or uneven line spacing. Is this the fault of my computer
or the sender or quiltropolis? Is there something I need to do at my
end? For example, in today's (June 20) digest, Laura's note had it's
usual additional numbers added between words. Marcia's note was fine but Cinda's message had strangely spaced sentences scrolled all about the screen
and numerous equal signs plus numbers inserted in the sentences. I finally gave up trying to read it, so hopefully Cinda you will fill me in when I see you on Tuesday!


Just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this...With all this strange
weather we are having on the East Coast, I wonder what forces are playing havoc with us!


Nancy Hahn

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Subject: disability book
From: linda laird <clproductsgmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:48:23 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

Why don't you google Hospice periodicals and Occupational Therapy
periodicals. Those groups are your audience. A small add featuring the
book cover, your address and email might be affordable and profitable.

Linda Laird, in Kansas where it won't stop raining and me and my
flowers are lovin' it.


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Subject: RE: MD Historical Society
From: "Sharron" <quiltnsharroncharter.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:04:27 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3

Dear Lucinda, thank you so much for sharing the fabulous sights you see with
us. Your descriptions make me feel like I'm standing next to you. I hope
those of you on the east coast realize and appreciate what wonders you have
within driving distance.

Best regards,
Sharron.................................
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Subject: blood stain
From: Laura Fisher <laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
 



Hi all--longest day of the year and absolutely gray in NYC. Usually there's
an incredible sunset down myblock - West 96th St- looking toward the Hu
dson River, perfectly centered in the street, but today, nada. And boo hoo,
now the days wil be getting shorter, just when it was nice to have them lo
ng!

Reaching out to find out if it is possible to get an old blood stain out of
a 1940s quilt? Any tricks? thanks

Laura Fisher

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Subject: RE: blood stain
From: "Kim Baird" <kbairdcableone.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:34:59 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

Laura--

Only way I know is scissors.

Kim

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Subject: re: blood stain
From: "M. Geiss-Mooney" <mgmooneymoonware.net>
 

Good evening, fellow QHLers - How old is 'old'? If more than a few years
old, the stain usually it won't come out completely. Of course, the first
questions to be answered first are whether the quilt itself can be cleaned
(i.e. strength when immersed and handled while being cleaned, colour/dye
fastness of all components).
Regards,
Meg
. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _____
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From: "Laura Fisher" <laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:04 PM

...Reaching out to find out if it is possible to get an old blood stain out
of a 1940s quilt? Any tricks? thanks
Laura Fisher
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Subject: Re: qhl digest: June 21, 2009
From: "Pilar Donoso" <quiltpdmi.cl>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:00:54 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Hi Laura:

I do not have any information about old textiles, but hydrogen peroxide will
take blood stains like magic on fabric. We have it handy when teaching hand
Quilting at the store.

Kind regards,
Pilar

Pilar Donoso I.

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Subject: Re: garbled text
From: paulhahn01 <pnhahn01comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:03:40 +0000 (UTC)
X-Message-Number: 2


Oh no, now my note to the list about the garbled text had those strange add
itional letters inserted in the message....what is causing this? And
yet, I never noticed it before in any of my notes. And not all the me
ssages in June 21 were like that. Any ideas what demons are causing t
his?


Nancy Hahn

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Subject: blood stain remedies, now fix the printed insertions
From: Laura Fisher <laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>
thanks all for the blood stain remedies (I especially liked the scissors su
ggestion from Kim)

cocnerning the  and other insertions into words when qhl postings appear
, I have given up being frustrated, thought it was because my desk computer
is 6 years old, tried plain text, no difference.

Going for an actual computer lesson on Thurs a.m., now that I have been usi
ng this thing with the guidance of 25 year olds all these years, andwill
print out the garbles and see what teacher says, and report back.

Laura

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Subject: Re: blood stain
From: Barbara Woodford <haqgalenalink.net>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:19:22 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4

I know there are people out there who will gasp and disapprove, but if
you are lucky, this will work.
Lay the quilt out flat in the sunshine. Make a 3% solution of hydrogen
peroxide *the bottles you buy at the store are 30%. Soak the stain
with the solution, don't rub, let sit in the sun. If it doesn't all
come out do it again. Then wash the quilt gently as usual.

Barbara Woodford. Please don't sue me.


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Subject: Re: blood stain
From: Patricia Cummings <quiltersmusegmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:15:35 -0400
The easiest way to remove a blood stain if you notice it while you are
working AND it is your own blood, is to dilute it with your OWN saliva.
Sounds gross, but it works! Your saliva has enzymes that will dissolve your
own blook. Works like a charm.


--
Patricia Lynne Grace Cummings
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Subject: garbled messages
From: "Steve & Jean Loken" <bravosjloken.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:21:52 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6

Nancy, Ironically your post had some of the same odd insertions. On the
other hand, further down in the digest, Sharron's post included Cinda's and
it magically removed the strange symbols, so was much easier to read for me.
I agree there seems to be a lot of the "C2-" business lately. I wonder if
you copy it and paste it into a MSWord document it would be more readable. I
haven't tried it yet, though.
Jean Loken in MN wishing I could see those marvelous Baltimores, too.
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Subject: Marie Webster Anniversary Quilts Auction
From: barbaraburnhamyahoo.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 05:31:17 -0700 (PDT)

The Quilter's Hall of Fame will be celebrating the 150th birthday of Marie
Webster, the 30th anniversary of the founding of The Quilters Hall of Fame,
and the 5th anniversary of the opening of Marie WebsterE28099s home in
Marion, Indiana where she operated an early mail order quilt pattern busine
ss. The Quilters Hall of Fame is a National Historic Landmark that honors t
odayE28099s quilt makers.

In support of The QHF, Baltimore Applique Society members have made 55 (so
far!) small quilts based on Marie Webster patterns. All the money from the
sale of the quilts will go to The Quilters Hall of Fame.

You can see the quilts, and click on each for closeups, at this web site:

http://www.baltimoreapplique.com/auction.html

Until July 10, you can place a bid at that web site. After July 10, your on
ly opportunity to bid will be actually at the Celebration on July 16-19, 20
09, in Marion, Indiana.
0A


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Subject: For anyone involved with one of the state or regional quilt
projects!!
From: Shelly Zegart <zegartquiltgmail.com>
For anyone involved with one of the state or regional quilt projects:

A month and a half ago, as an Associate Fellow of the Center, I received an
email from IQSC to look at their Quilt Explorer online (
http://explorer.quiltstudy.org/timeline.html ) and discovered their quilt
history timeline.

Since The Kentucky Quilt Project was the first state to officially document
quilts, I went to the early 198092s to see its listing. There was no listi
ng
for it or any quilt projects at any point on the timeline. .

Why were the quilt projects omitted ? The quilt project movement was the
largest grass roots movement in the decorative arts in the last half of the
20th century. In fact, it continues to this day and the Mass. book,
"Massachusetts. Quilts, Our Common Wealth" has just recently come out to
great acclaim.

I wrote them and their response was disappointing citing a 93multitude of
factors influencing our decisions and a very compressed time frame in whic
h
we were working.94 I was thanked for my interest and suggestion.

Considering the size and importance of the quilt project movement, the fact
that the Center is consciously omitting a critical and very large piece of
quilt history from their timeline reflects on the academic integrity of
their institution. The public comes to the Center expecting to find the
highest level of accurate information.

I have not yet been given any indication as to when this important
information is going to be added.

I am writing to enlist your help to encourage IQSC to make this change now
.
Please write to Dr. Patricia Crews at :PCREWS1unl.edu.

Thanks for your help in making the quilt projects visible to the world and
quilt history complete and accurate

Shelly Zegart


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Subject: Quilt History
From: linda laird <clproductsgmail.com>

I'm writing in agreement with Shelly Zegart. Without the quilt history
projects real documented history would not be a public activity. I
think it was very important that the projects were a grass roots
effort sponsored by federal funding and sponsored by local quilt
guilds that were just forming. There needs to be some acknowledgement
of that activity in the time line. I assume since it is digital it
isn't set in stone.

Another small change might made to the note at the beginning of the
timeline which should state that this is an American timeline. The
timeline certainly doesn't reflect quilting in the rest of the world
and may be just a wee bit ethnocentric and academically incorrect
without acknowledging that your focus is only American. We are in a
global environment today and the information will be hopefully be
viewed by quilters throughout the rest of the world.

Linda Laird


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Subject: Re: Quilt History
From: Patricia Cummings <quiltersmusegmail.com>

The documentation of the quilt history projects is important. In some cases,
it is also complicated. Some states, Pennsylvania in particular, has had not
one project but various projects in different parts of the state, that
resulted in books.

In New Hampshire, the originator(s) of the initial project were unable to
follow-through with initial documentation efforts, and today, Phase II NH
Documentation is in place. The problem with such a lag in time is many of
the people who brought quilts to be documented in the 1990s, were "old"
people then. So, if the people were in their 70s or 80s, in the early 1990s,
where are they now, and where are their quilts now? Some of these
individuals and their treasured antiques are, no doubt, "out of reach."

I believe that the timeline at the IQSC site was done by a graduate student.
Correct me if I am wrong. I am sure it was as comprehensive as it could be,
at the time it was created. Knowledge is flowing at the speed of
electricity, with the Internet, a wonderful phenomena that sometimes makes
it difficult to have the latest information.

Manpower (or woman power) is the problem, I believe. I would be very
surprised to see anything new appear on the timeline any time soon. In an
organization where people and their ideas have to be "vetted," and where
sometimes those people and ideas are simply wrong, even if they are
"vetted," don't expect sudden changes.

As a case in point, I asked for months for them to correct the incorrect
name of the NH quilt historian whose life I thoroughly researched. On their
symposium listings for 2007, the totally wrong name of "Emily Webster" has
been left in place, yet other information was added to the abstract that I
know was based on my book - Go Figure!. The name was the result of
carelessness on the part of another person who admitted the error to me, in
writing, yet the mistake stands in all its glory, as IF IT WERE the truth.
Don't worry. I can back up anything I say!

I would like to offer my time to put together a list of documentation
projects and list any associated books, noting if they are still in print or
their availability, and also ongoing work to document quilts. I would be
happy to publish this information on my website for all to enjoy, if people
want to send me their information. The alternative is waiting until someone
at IQSC gets a "Round Tuit." It could be a while! The offer stands.

Patricia Cummings
http://www.quiltersmuse.com

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:35 AM, linda laird <clproductsgmail.com> wrote:

> I'm writing in agreement with Shelly Zegart. Without the quilt history
> projects real documented history would not be a public activity. I think it
> was very important that the projects were a grass roots effort sponsored by
> federal funding and sponsored by local quilt guilds that were just forming.
> There needs to be some acknowledgement of that activity in the time line. I
> assume since it is digital it isn't set in stone.
>

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Subject: QUILT DOCUMENTATION PROJECTS RESPONSE
From: Shelly Zegart <zegartquiltgmail.com>


Hi Patricia and many thanks for your great response and your offer. Maureen
Battistella has kept a complete list of publications for a number of years .
Perhaps the two of you can get together on this. Her email is :
maureenbooksandoldlace.com.. You are correct on the uneveness of some of
the documentation. The Index of Design done durring the Depression was also
uneven in its methodology yet remains an amazing resource today.. In 2004 I
wrote my thIRd article on the quilt projects , that time for QNM called
Affairs of State . In it there was a call to do a database of the work of
all of the projects ..Attached is the article.Go to Next Steps (in the
article) and see what was planned but did not materialize-yet!!! Next steps
now? Best Shelly

--
Shelly Zegart
300 Penruth Avenue
Louisville, Kentucky 40207
502-897-3819
www.shellyquilts.com

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Subject: List Mom stuff and a great link
From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:29:48 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 4


I'm just doing a little catch up here...

The stray  (etc) that you see in posts is caused by the person posting in MIME, HTML or Rich Text. That is normally (but not always) within the persons control. The Lyris server will usually (but not always) bounce the post back to the person, and send me a note at the same time. I can clear the post for the list, and I do sometimes. And sometimes I let it bounce back to the person. It depends on how bad the markup is.

If you are one of those people, please don't ask me how your mail client works. There are literally hundreds out there and I don't know how they all work. Ask your ISP (aol, msn, etc) or your tech support person.

Lyris will also bounce attachments, so if you want to send something to someone, you have to do it directly. Or send it to me and I will upload it to the http://quilthistory.com website and we can all go look at it.

Speaking of websites, our group did a bibliography years ago and I still update it from time to time. It is here: http://quilthistory.com/bibliography.htm . Y'all are welcome to send me any changes and/or links you feel are appropriate.

That's all for now - oh - wait - I want to tell you about Ami Simms antique quilt auction to raise funds for Alzheimers. It's at http://www.alzquilts.org/ and the auction ends Thursday!

Kris


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Subject: RE: garbled emails
From: "Robins-Morris, Laura A" <lrobinsscharp.org>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:00:45 -0700
X-Message-Number: 5

As I understand it, this is due to the way different email software
packages encode, or represent, various odd characters such as
punctuation. If all senders used "Plain Text" as their email
composition setting, we would not see these. (At least I believe that
is true.) However, most email software does not do that by default and
most people don't use or know about the option.
What I can't explain is why the high-tech world can't figure out a
better system so that the user doesn't have to deal with this. If they
can put a man on the moon, etc, etc....
Laura, in Seattle


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Subject: Duplicated Efforts
From: Patricia Cummings <quiltersmusegmail.com>


When I made the offer to compile a list of state documentation efforts, I
did not realize that some attempts were already in place. Shelly Zegart's
essay is already posted at another site that includes the following
statement regarding documentation studies that have been done.

*Last updated April 25, 2009*

*Compiled from H-Quilts postings H-Net Discussion List on Quilt
Documentation and Research [H-QUILTSH-NET.MSU.EDU] February 2001 and
continuing, the Quilt History List [qhl] and From additional sources thanks
to the Ashland Public Library in Oregon and including the recommendations of
the following individuals: Cheryl Wolf, Jan Dreschler, Judy Grow, Mary
Persyn, Marsha MacDowell, Colleen Hall-Patton, Laurie Woodard, David Crosby,
Maureen Battistella, Shirley McElderry, Cuesta Benberry, Mary Worrall, Mary
Waller, Shelly Zegart, Carol Butzke, Margareta Faust, Kyra Hicks, Ann-Louise
Beaumont, Gloria Nixon, Karan Flanscha. Maintained by Maureen Battistella*

*Many titles are out of print, but may be available through
ABE<http://www.abe.com/>or on loan from your local public library.
Dissertations and theses may be
available from * *University Microfilms International <http://www.umi.com/>.
*

Not wanting to interfere with anyone else's work, I will bow out, unless I
hear from someone who thinks that is worthwhile to compile all of the
available data, in which case, I could do that, but a representative would
have to send me details of each state project(s). I simply don't have the
time to track all of this down, nor duplicate efforts already made. Any
thoughts?

--
Patricia Lynne Grace Cummings
http://www.quiltersmuse.com
http://quiltersmuse.com/blog/

"Live free and eat pie." Rebecca Rule

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Subject: RE:Let Me Vent
From: LAHudlowaol.com

Alright as I have been reading these e-mails I told myself that I would
not get in this discussion........I love quilts and really don't care either
way about the myth. Although I do have a question.....how do we know that
in ONE family this method was not used. I understand that if it had been used
in lots and lots of families there would be a trail to follow and it would
be in history......but there is that off chance that in ONE family it did
happen with a quilt. Perhaps after the first use the bounty hunters caught
on and so it was discarded. I live near Sharpsburg Md, we have a local
story of a Snallygaster.......a huge bird that swoops down and picks up
children........there have been many so called sightings since the early 1900's
even stories in newspapers throughout the years. My father is from this area
and has talked about all of his life. Have I ever seen it.....no but with
all the stories someone must have seen "something" it just didn't come out
of the blue. Just as this quilt story had to have started somewhere. Now as
I said I really love all quilts and really don't care about the myth but I
do enjoy history and want the truth.........please don't shoot the
messenger but maybe a little consideration needs to be given to the one family or
one battery of slaves used this method to get to freedom. I think if had
been enslaved I would have done whatever I had to do and would want all the
help I can get even if it was a piece of fabric hanging in a window, tree or
house.

Lori in Keedysville, Md........a bright sunny, breezy day.

Lori Hudlow

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Subject: Smithsonian/DAR
From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawleycomcast.net>

You will have heard of the terrible accident during Monday rush
hour on the DC Metro. We often take the train into the city to avoid the
horrendous parking problems around the Mall. Yesterday we very carefully
avoided the first and last cars figuring being in the middle was best. At
the very first station the train stopped; the intercom informed us that the
operator was inspecting the train; we were then advised that the train was
out of service and we should exit the cars. A passenger had been found dead
in car ahead of ours! At least that was the rumor on the platform and a
couple of EMTs showed up with a gurney and no sense of urgency. Ten minutes
later we were on a westbound train on the eastbound track. So much for our
security precautions! Of course, they soon switched us to the proper line
(not quick enough to suit me).

At any rate we got to the American History Museum on time for our
quilt tour. You can request specialized tours, but since we hadn't been
there for a while we did the Smithsonian Favorites which is kind of like
walking through Doris Bowman's The Smithsonian Treasury American Quilts (out
of print, but this is a =93must have=94). We saw more than 30 quilts (10% of
the collection) including icons that seem like old friends: Betsy Tottens
Rising Sun, Harriet Power's Bible Quilt, the Copp Quilt, Eliza Baile's
Bride's Quilt (I am partial to PA quilts, but I must admit that when =
it
comes to high-style those Maryland ladies were the best, and I'm not =
just
talking about Baltimore), the Groom's Quilt made for Benoni Pearce.

Some of the less famous quilts are especially fascinating. =
The
recent question on QHL about the chronology of repeat blocks made us pay
special attention to an Uneven 9-Patch crib quilt with the inscription
Charlotte Roe Vigil 1806. Charlotte gave birth to her son John in =
Virgil,
NY in 1806 (those of you who share my interest in place names might like =
to
know that Virgil is not far from Homer in that part of Central NY which
seems to have been surveyed by a classics major). The pink and blue
Pinwheel with glorious stuffed quilting is called the 1812 Quilt because
family info said it was made during the War. I wish the makers had been =
as
clever as Charlotte Roe. The quilt is certainly very early, but 1812? =
We
saw Martha Washington's quilt top (Medallion) and a repro of one of =
the
fabrics she used in a Centennial quilt which is a veritable sampler of
commemorative prints of 1876. This is not the prettiest quilt in the
collection but it's truly fascinating to see good sized pieces of a =
huge
variety of patriotic prints.

Frances M. Jolly's quilt top is a real challenge. Her name =
and
the date 1839 are embroidered in the center of this gorgeous appliqu'
medallion made of fine wool with silk ribbon and embroidery. It is =
known
that Frances was an African American woman who lived in both MA and NC, =
but
there are no details. Frames of rich brown, gold and orange filled with
flowers, vines and leaves surround a large bouquet on a brown =
background.
The workmanship and design are outstanding. We need to learn more about
Frances.

It was very distressing to learn that the special quilt =
display
case installed as a response to quilters' outrage over the Chinese =
licensing
fiasco of the early 1990s is no more. It seems the Smithsonian has
unilaterally abrogated the agreement to always have at least a few =
quilts on
display.

Tours are available on the second and fourth Tuesday of each
month. Checkout the website and plan far in advance.

We walked to the DAR where the current exhibit uses objects =
from
the collection to illustrate the Seven Deadly Sins. Catholic school =
girls
can rattle them off: pride, covetousness, lust, anger, gluttony, envy =
and
sloth. The signage is hilarious. Alden O'Brien selected quilts to
represent each of the vices. White on white embroidery states =
=93property of
Mercy E. Duell of Cambridge 1828=94 showing the sin of pride. The motif =
on
the bedcover are very like those found on calamanco quilts. Pride =
showed up
again in Nellie Everhart =91s postage stamp from Jennings Co., IN dated =
1881.
The individual squares measure =BD=94. A sloppily made pieced Butterfly =
top
from the 1939 proclaimed sloth.

It's not fair to accuse Carmela Everhart Wissier of Carroll =
Co.,
MD of envy her Baltimore neighbors. She did make her own Album quilt =
and
at least one block is totally her own. I swear the central motif is a =
bunch
of carrots. Lust is equated with love of luxury exemplified by a =
sumptuous
silk Barn Raising Log Cabin in jewel tones of gold, purple, green, red =
and
brown. A second example is a white work (1835-40) made by Pamela Amy
Cunningham in Laurens Co., SC which has unbelievably intricate quilting
(stuffed and corded). For anger how about a wool Mariner's Compass =
from
Herkimer NY (red on black background) said to be made from soldiers'
uniforms from the War of 1812?

They didn't have a quilt associated with gluttony but there =
was a
delightful example of the state of innocence before original sin. =
Josephine
Miller Adkins of Baltimore Co., MD (adjacent to Baltimore City and, =
believe
me, these distinctions are important) made a Garden of Eden 4-block =
quilt in
1874. Each of the four segments contains delightful stuffed animas, a
serpent, whimsical trees and a flower basket clearly based on the =
Baltimore
Album quilts. There is a large appliqu'd 8 pointed star in the center =
with
a very large wooden button sewn in the middle (which is rather puffy).
There is a wide green border scalloped on the inner side. The look of =
the
quilt reminds me of Designer III but Josephine's needle skills and =
design
sense were rather shaky. In spite of its flaws (or maybe because of =
them)
it's the kind of quilt you could spend the day with.

This is a week of overload. Tomorrow is the FVF picnic. I =
must
take my plum upside-down cake out of the oven.

Cinda on the Eastern Shore


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Subject: RE:Let Me Vent
From: Patricia Cummings <quiltersmusegmail.com>

People are free to "believe" whatever they want, at any time. History can
prove only that something happened. By its very nature of recording actual
events, history cannot disprove that something did not happen. This is a
simple concept.

In the case of the UGRR/quilts theory, then one would tend to say, "No, this
did not happen." All of avenues of written language that would support this
idea, and the lack of potential oral testimony from former slaves, etc. just
is not present. Yet, this is such a popular belief now, fanned by the media,
that people want to get on the bandwagon and claim that their family was
different/ their slave ancestors actually used quilts to communicate and
find their way to freedom.

This theory really discounts the intelligence of African-Americans and
serves as an insult to them, if you think about it. As has been stated by
others here recently, it is as if they could not figure out for themselves
where due north was located. They needed to have a "North Star" quilt
block? How silly is that? Not to mention that only some of the slaves
headed north. But ... we have been over this and over this. Arguments about
"beliefs" are stupid in themselves. Anyone will believe whatever they want,
and some people have some pretty durned strange ideas.

Hey, people are welcome to their fantasies. Whatever crumbles your cookie.

Amen and Amen.

Patricia Cummings


On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:17 PM, <LAHudlowaol.com> wrote:

> Alright as I have been reading these e-mails I told myself that I would
> not get in this discussion........I love quilts and really don't care
> either
> way about the myth. Although I do have a question.....how do we know that
> in ONE family this method was not used.

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Subject: Question about A Pineapple Quilt
From: "Beth Davis" <bethdan533frontiernet.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:51:14 -0400
X-Message-Number: 10

Good evening everyone.
Was brought a quilt today, for which the owner was told was 1890. It is
an rare Pineapple quilt appliquéd with over dyed green fabric in a small
simple print for leaves and solid gold cheddar for the pineapple. With
the fine hand quilting and the general look of the quilt overall, plus the
greens that were used look to be mid 1800's. There is intricate border of
scallops and bows. I would date Bows. I would date this quilt to circa
1850. Perhaps you can check it out and can help suggest a better time
period and perhaps originality. Any comments are welcomed!!
I’ve added a picture to the board group. The picture is posted on hte
Vintage Grouod
http://www1.eboard.com/eboard/servlet/BoardServlet?ACTION=BOARD_SHOW&SITE_NAME=Destination&BOARD_NAME=VintagePictures&SESSION_ID=h61mk2fny63z9351



Beth Davis
Bethdan533frontiernet.net

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Subject: Re: Question about A Pineapple Quilt
From: "Beth Davis" <bethdan533frontiernet.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:25:20 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

Good morning all,
Oops! Typing late at night is detrimental to my health! I wanted to
clarify that I DON'T date Bows (maybe beau's!) and the photo is display on
the Vintage Pictures eBoard (under Quilts! Sorry about that. But I am
interested to see if this color combination & pattern is something that is
seen along the eastern seaboard (north or south-any area in particular.
The owner is allowing me to post the quilt in hopes of helping her uncover
who made have made it in her family.


RE: "I would date Bows. ...I've added a picture to the board group. The
picture is posted on hte Vintage Grouod"


Regards,
Beth Davis
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Subject: RE:Let Me Vent
From: Kittencat3aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:10:02 EDT
X-Message-Number: 2


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How do we know that this method wasn't used in Ozella Williams's family?
Very simple:

Some of the quilt blocks in the code did not exist until several decades
after the Civil War.


'nuff said.

Lisa Evans
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Subject: RE:Let Me Vent
From: LAHudlowaol.com

As I said...I am not defending either way just asking a simple question. No
matter what I believe I always seem to play the devils advocate....by
asking these questions is how I learn. But I will say one other thing about
oral history/lore. I had a 91 one year old uncle that told wonderful
tales........all of which were extremely embellished....I know this because I had
heard them all of my 40 some years BUT all of them had tidbits of truth in
them. So just maybe there is some tidbits of truth in all the stories from
these people. After all none of us were there and no one really knows what
really went on including Ozella. So I enjoy hearing the stories and hearing
the feed back from all the historians......very enlightening.

There is one thing that I take offense to though......it has been stated in
several responses that this myth "discounts the intelligence" of slaves. I
find that offensive in several ways because first off it sounds very
dismissive and secondly most slaves didn't leave out in the dead of night with
compass in hand and would have needed lots of help along the way to get to
freedom.........the underground railroad was formed for this
purpose.......with safe houses along the way for them. All the stops along the way did not
have a big sign outside saying stop here........the stops were passed a
long orally. Remember those harboring these escaped slaves would have been
hanged as well. So I am sure there were all kinds of ways to know what house
to stop at whether it be a quilt, a pile of stones, something askew on the
porch or what have you did at your house.....but not flashing neon signs.

Going to be VERY hot here today, Lori

Lori Hudlow


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Subject: Re: Smithsonian/DAR
From: Barbara Burnham <barbaraburnhamyahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 04:47:49 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 4


Cinda,
Such a tragic day on the Metro. Thank Heavens you are OK!
Once again, thank you for your eloquent descriptions, and taking the time t=
o share them with us. It makes me want to take the day off work and follow =
in your footsteps. You should do live tours. Sign me up!
Barbara

Cinda Cawley wrote:
... American History Museum ... Smithsonian Favorites which is kind of like
walking through Doris Bowman=E2=80=99s The Smithsonian Treasury American Qu=
ilts ...
... to the DAR where the current exhibit uses objects from the collection t=
o illustrate the Seven Deadly Sins.
Cinda on the Eastern Shore=0A=0A=0A


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Subject: RE: Smithsonian/DAR
From: "Candace Perry" <candaceschwenkfelder.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:51:00 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5

Love that idea from the Dar -- wish I'd thought of that!
Candace Perry
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Subject: book award
From: "Kate Lenkowsky" <klenkowskymsn.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:30:31 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6

I am a new member of the Quilt History list and look forward to occasionally
participating in the conversation.

My interest is contemporary quilts and art. My friend Shelly Zegart thought
people might be interested to know that my book, "Contemporary Quilt Art: An
Introduction and Guide" has just won gold in the art category of "ForeWord"
Magazine's 2008 Book of the Year Award. The magazine is the only literary
trade publication to focus exclusively on books by independent publishers.
Published by Indiana University Press, it was selected from other finalists
published by the Metropolitan Museum of Art, MoMA, and Rizzoli NY.

Kate Lenkowsky

609 S. Jordan Ave.
Bloomington, IN 47401
www.katelenkowsky.com


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Subject: Quilt Engagement Calendars
From: Pat Kyser <patkyserhiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:20:54 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

I have Quilt Engagement calendars from 1975 to 1993. Some are in
pristine condition (one still in original box) and some were used as
calendars by me. I will sell the whole batch for $75 plus shipping
and handling. If anyone is interested, please email me privately.


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Subject: IQSC Quilt Explorer Timeline
From: <pcrewsneb.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:54:33 +0000
X-Message-Number: 8

The staff of the International Quilt Study Center is pleased that our awardwinning Quilt Explorer is recognized as a useful and credible source of quilt history information. When we were fortunate to receive initial funding to create this popular program, we were obliged to set boundaries on the endless amount of relevant quilt history information. First, we determinedthat it would be necessary to limit the Quilt Explorer Timeline to the date range for which the International Quilt Study Center holds quilts in its collection to illustrate the changing styles and patterns. We knew the initial timeline could not be exhaustive; nevertheless, the information currently posted on the timeline is well-researched and future additions will receive the same level of vetting and scrutiny.

We are willing to consider appropriate additions to our Quilt Explorer and have researched the costs to do so. I regret Shelly's dismay at ourdelay in enhancing the program and share her impatience to make a great resource better. The modifications needed to add one or many points to the tmeline involve IQSC staff time, as well as costs incurred by the outstanding software development firm, Second Story, who assisted us in the creationof the program. Due to the financial and staff resources needed to make modifications to the Quilt Explorer, we are not able to make frequent changes or additions. As financial resources become available and our other responsibilities and commitments allow, we will make periodic additions to the timeline. I whole-heartedly agree that the state quilt documentation projects were an influential grass roots movement in twentieth century American decorative arts. It will be very appropriate to add information about the initial state documentation projects.

Thank you for your thoughtful suggestions.

Patricia Cox Crews
Willa Cather Professor of Textiles & Director
International Quilt Study Center & Museum

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Subject: RE: book award
From: "Sharron" <quiltnsharroncharter.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:51:03 -0500
X-Message-Number: 9

I have had your book for sometime now. I can see why it won an award. It's
a beautiful book and very informative! A well deserved award.

Congratulations!

Sharron......................................
..........where the dog days of summer are blistering with the heat in
triple digits and the humidity at 80%...........but that's Spring, TX in the
summertime.......thank goodness for air conditioning!


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Subject: RE:Let Me Vent
From: jocelynmdelphiforums.com
 

>There is one thing that I take offense to though......it has been stated in
> several responses that this myth "discounts the intelligence" of slaves. I
>find that offensive in several ways because first off it sounds very
>dismissive and secondly most slaves didn't leave out in the dead of night with
>compass in hand and would have needed lots of help along the way to get to
>freedom.........the underground railroad was formed for this
>purpose.....
The 'discounting' is the assumption that without the Northern Star block, slaves would not have thought to look for the North Star, that they would forget about it unless reminded by the quilt.
But the assumption that they could not have escaped without the help of whites, is equally discounting, IMO, as well as being contrary to the many histories of slaves who effected their own escapes.


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Subject: RE:Let Me Vent
From: jocelynmdelphiforums.com
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:36:52 +0000

> .....how do we know that
>in ONE family this method was not used. I understand that if it had been=
used
>in lots and lots of families there would be a trail to follow and it wou=
ld
>be in history......but there is that off chance that in ONE family it di=
d
>happen with a quilt.
Lori,
This doesn't make it history- because a family MIGHT have done it. All so=
rts of things MIGHT have happened in history, could have been done, but i=
f there's no proof that they WERE done, then we shouldn't teach them as f=
act. Then we have to apply the rule of logic: does it make sense that a q=
uilt could be used in this way? Just looking at the Northern Star block i=
sn't going to be much of a guide when you reach uncertain terrain. At som=
e points, slaves needed to go east or west, rather than true north. Is it=
likely that a quilt would be more useful as a mneumonic, than a map draw=
n in the dirt, or even word of mouth? Would a family need to make a quilt=
to teach each other the signs, if they were all on the same plantation, =
and how would the quilt be transferred to family members on another plana=
tion?

> no but with
>all the stories someone must have seen "something" it just didn't come o=
ut
>of the blue.
But it may have derived from another folk story, like the Banshee of Irel=
and.
>been enslaved I would have done whatever I had to do and would want all=
the
>help I can get even if it was a piece of fabric hanging in a window, tre=
e or
>house.
Again, the logic test: if you were an escaped slave, would you want to w=
alk right up to a house, a house that was just as likely to contain a sla=
vecatcher as an Underground Railroad conductor...to see what's the color =
of the fabric in the window? At what distance would you be able to recogn=
ize black from dark brown from navy blue? And would you want to go that c=
lose to a house, not knowing if it were occupied by friends or enemies? I=
t's a literal 'you bet your life' situation. Would you bet your life on t=
hat piece of cloth being the right color, but hung up by either someone w=
ho didn't know the meaning of the signal, and who had just happened to ha=
ng that color on the day you were passing by? The explanation that quilts=
were used as TEMPORARY signals, that a family would be told, 'Go through=
the woods to the white house with green shutters, and wait. If it's safe=
, there'll be a blue quilt on the line; if there's danger, there'll be a =
red quilt.' A signal that could be changed frequently enough that slaveca=
tchers wouldn't recognize the code; a signal that was so much a part of e=
veryday life that even if slavecatchers saw it, it wouldn't raise any con=
cerns, as everyone was airing their quilts of all colors on a regular bas=
is. A quilt was big enough that its color could be easily discerned from =
quite a distance, where slaves could remain under cover if the signal was=
n't there. But that there was a code so widely known that it was useful t=
o escaping slaves, that remained unbroken by slavecatchers? It isn't very=
likely.


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Subject: Re: the logic test
From: Mary Anne R <sewmuch63yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:06:33 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 3


It is my understanding that most escapees would travel under cover of darkness. Without any street lights, how could you even see a quilt from the road?

Mary Anne

--- On Fri, 6/26/09, jocelynmdelphiforums.com <jocelynmdelphiforums.com> wrote:
Again, the logic test: if you were an escaped slave, would you want to walk right up to a house, a house that was just as likely to contain a slavecatcher as an Underground Railroad conductor...to see what's the color of the fabric in the window? At what distance would you be able to
recognize black from dark brown from navy blue?





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Subject: RE: Question about A Pineapple Quilt
From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawleycomcast.net>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:46:31 -0400
X-Message-Number: 4

I've seen two Pineapple quilts very like the one that Beth posted.
Both were from Sussex Co. in southern Delaware, near the beach. Both =
looked
1860ish to me.
Cinda on the Eastern Shore

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Subject: funny misspelling
From: Laura Fisher <laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>
Hi all-
=A0
while scanning eBay for that rare quilt no one knows else might=A0spot!=A0I=
encountered this charming and topical misspelling I thought I'd share, as =
we could all use a little comic relief: THIS QUILT IS COMPLETELY HANDSEWN W=
ITH A COTTON MUSLIM BACKING ....
=A0
Laura Fisher
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Subject: FVF
From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawleycomcast.net>

Maybe there will be summer after all. Thursday was sunny, =
hot
and humid. The FVF picnic at the mill near Hagerstown was perfect:
delicious food and lots of quilts.

A special treat was seeing the galleys of the forthcoming
Franklin County (PA) documentation book. It is a beautiful reality and
you'll be able to put it on your Christmas list.

The most amazing collection of =93cheater cloth=94 (an =
interest
shared by many FVF members) included everything from glorious heavily =
glazed
chintz (circa 1815) to chintzy (circa 1900) with great examples from the
Centennial era. Several fabrics were represented by three or more
colorways. A pristine 1890 top was sashed with the pictorial fabric
identified, after a spirited discussion on QHL, as Lafayette. A =
fragment of
a Quaker Quilt (solid brown and green Evening Stars on beige silk) had a
back of an exquisite fondue blue stripe. A packet of salesman's =
samples of
=93Silver Grey=94 from Wm. Simpson and Son was fascinating. There must =
have
been 50-75 3=94 squares of different =93mourning=94 prints.

Three quilts from Antrim Township, Franklin Co., PA (borders =
MD)
had strikingly similar quilting designs even though the turkey red =
Feathered
Star dated 1850, the Double Irish Chain pieced from a single madder =
print
looked like 1870 and a second Double Irish Chain (red, green and yellow) =
was
1890. It would be interesting to research the geography of quilting =
motifs.


It was great fun to see quilts made as wedding gifts in the
1940s in Schuylkill Co., PA. Northeast PA (my native turf) is famous =
for
hard coal not as a center of fine quilt making. That doesn't make it =
any
less interesting. These quilts were simple and charming: plain muslin
quilted with large scale motifs, a pretty peach and Nile green Bowtie =
and a
multicolor Periwinkle Star.

A late 19th century large-scale 9-Patch top made of three
fabrics (pink, green and brown prints) had a real Arts and Crafts look.
Two almost matching embroidered batiste bedcovers were simply exquisite =
and
our meetings would not be complete without Sunbonnet Sue. This one had =
her
arms on backwards and a vivid red and white print sashing! We all =
loved
the apron appliqu'd with scenes from a 1960s kitchen.




If I could have chosen one thing to take home it would have =
been
the Album block top with purple fern fondue sashing. Be still my heart!
Wait, maybe I'd rather have the collection of chinoiserie blocks dated =
1849.
The motifs were cut from what must have been the most amazing chintz =
with
scenes of people in oriental gardens. The colors are incredibly vivid: =
red,
blue, orange, green, yellow.

Interesting to find chintz appliqu' circa 1890, we could
legitimately call it broderie perse. Eleven blocks were appliqu'd =
with
motifs cut from cretonne (country scenes, ethnic dancers). Block 12 is =
a
commemorative bandana of President Garfield! We saw more chintz =
appliqu on
linen (was it a bedcover or table cloth?). The motifs were cut from =
block
printed chintz, circa 1830 but the extravagant lace border looked =
Victorian.

We didn't see much from the 20th century (eat your hearts =
out!)
but we were excited by a pristine Boston Common variation: the central =
One
Patch design is surrounded by alternating rows of white and colored =
blocks;
the center is repeated on a smaller scale as a pillow tuck. I wish I =
could
do a better description. I've never seen this before. A lovely Apple
Blossom on Nile green kit is begging to be finished; the two 1960s kits
(still unopened) not so much!

I love to see quilts from the Shenandoah Valley. They often =
are
a bit different. Feathered Stars with Lemoyne Stars in their centers =
were
pieced of a black print and sashed and bordered with pink and cheddar.

Almost at the very end of the afternoon we saw a complex =
pieced
block (red and green) with an eagle, stars and flowers appliqu'd in =
the
center. The center is nearly identical to the crib quilt on the cover =
of
Woodard and Greenstein's Crib Quilts and Other Small Wonders. Both =
quilts
are from PA 1850-60. So many questions!

I got to show off my recent purchases in NY. I'm looking =
for my
Weeping Trees border quilt and keep finding temptation while searching. =
I
love Oak Leaf and Reel so I couldn't resist a summer spread in red and =
white
with a vine and leaf border. Hands All Around in pink, red and green =
had
one Evening Star border strip cut off and sewn to the bottom (someone =
didn't
want a square quilt). Written on the back is the inscription =93Made by =
Mercy
Hubbell Edgett in her 89th year.=94 I can't resist a quilt with a =
message.
Mercy was born in 1799 in the Hudson Valley and died in western NY in =
1891.
Whether or not Mercy did make the quilt, it wasn't in her 89th year. =
It's
clearly c. 1860. I intend to reverse the alterations.

I can't describe everything we saw. I actually do have =
another
life and I must get to it.

Cinda on the Eastern Shore



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Subject: Quilts mentioned in diaries
From: Karen Alexander <karenquiltrockisland.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:25:25 -0700
X-Message-Number: 3

A new book out <Searching for Ichabod - His 18th-century Diary Leads Me
Home> by Julie Foster Van Camp. The diary covers the years 1785-1809 and was
kept by her 4th great Grandfather Foster who records on 25 October 1795 <My
wife quilted a bed quilt>. I wonder how many men recorded quilting by their
wives in their diaries?

It's a fascinating book of how the diary was discovered She then ties her gr
gr gr gr grandfather's diary entries in with the history of the times thru
which he lived and helps her trace the family back four more generations to
their arrival in Mass in the mid 1600s. It was written by a friend of mine
who literally traces the steps of her ancestor's journey west by following
this diary by car in 2003 from VT to NY to OH. The family eventually winds
up in Iowa just before the Civil War. The serendipitous happenings that
occur as she pursues her genealogical research over 20 years can make the
hair rise on the back of your neck at times. Who is pursuing who in this
quest? I bet some of you have experienced that same thing in your research.
I know I have. Those are the kind of hair-raising times I can still enjoy.

Karen in the Islands




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Subject: Re: funny misspelling
From: Patricia Cummings <quiltersmusegmail.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:31:06 -0400
X-Message-Number: 4

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I'll add another funny to the list, somewhat clothing related: "Bare with
me ..." The writer shall remain anonymous, of course! :-)

Patricia Cummings
http://www.quiltersmuse.com
http://quiltersmuse.com/blog/


On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Laura Fisher
<laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>wrote:

>
> while scanning eBay for that rare quilt no one knows else might spot! I
> encountered this charming and topical misspelling I thought I'd share, as we
> could all use a little comic relief: THIS QUILT IS COMPLETELY HANDSEWN WITH
> A COTTON MUSLIM BACKING ...
>



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Subject: Kits
From: "Cinda Cawley" <lrcawleycomcast.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:58:32 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5

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I'm passing on a question from a friend.

"I have a book question you may be able to help me with. One of the =
ladies
who shopped with us in Vermont asked about a book on old quilt kits. Do =
you
know of any such book? She seemed to think there was one but an older =
book"

I don't know of such a book. Can anyone help?

Cinda on the Eastern Shore


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Subject: Re: funny misspelling
From: "Deborah Russell" <russhillbeecreek.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:24:43 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6

You can't imagine the number of people I come across who say Muslim when
they are talking about muslin. I don't know if it is because of the area I
live in or it is just people now a days.
Debbie Hill-Russell
russhillbeecreek.net
http://russellhillranch.blogspot.com/
 

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Subject: Summer Reading
From: Judy Knorr <jknorroptonline.net>
 

I just signed up again for my library's Adult Summer Reading Club. Do any of you have quilt history related books you have read recently and can recommend? I asked this question last year and read some interesting books so I'm hoping you have some more recommendations for me.
Thanks,
Judy Knorr