Subject: Re: passing down of family heirlooms
Does anyone know how the tradition was started and/or why? In the past I
think the boys got the lands, houses, & money while the girls got dry go
ods and home furnishings--probably due to laws governing women owning pro
perty. But why do we pass things down through the oldest female now?

Maybe because the oldest girl is the first to get a house of her own? Per
haps it was unpolitic for Grandmother to choose one daughter or (worse ye
t!) daughter-in-law to get the heirlooms, but giving it to the oldest gra
nddaughter (who might have been the ONLY granddaughter, at least for seve
ral years) was more acceptable.
Or maybe it's that the oldest granddaughter has had more of a chance to d
emonstrate to her grandmothers that she will cherish the heirlooms, by th
e time they're ready to get rid of them. :)
Jocelyn, youngest daughter who nearly missed out on a family quilt becaus
e she hadn't married by the time the donor passed on...


Subject: RE: family quilts?

The 30s was an era that produced a LOT of unfinished quilts. I have
>not done any research to see if any previous era produced as many tops a
>well as finished quilts as those from the 30s.
I suspect you are right- and I think I may know the reason. My mother was
started on piecing quilts at the age of 4, in 1925. Her mother designate
d the quilts as 'hope chest' tops, and they were carefully put away to be
quilted once my mother was engaged. There simply wasn't enough time or m
oney to finish any top that wasn't going to be used right away (even thou
gh they grew their own cotton for the batts!). By the time Mom was engage
d 20 years later, the Depression had come and gone, and prosperity return
ed. She wanted to furnish her house in nice new modern things, like BLANK
ETS, and not those old quilts! Plus, she had gone off to school and was n
o longer living near her mother for them to quilt together. My grandfathe
r was in poor health so they moved to town, probably leaving the ceiling-
mounted quilting frame behind, and probably not having space to set up a
frame in the little house. So the tops sat unquilted for 70 years, until
Mom finished them herself. For years now I've challenged quilters on emai
l lists to top that UFO record: a quilt started and finished by the same
quilter, 70 years later! So far, the record stands. :)


Subject: 54-40 of fight
From: "Brenda & Roger Applegate" <>

Does anyone know of a source for an early 54-40 or fight quilt? I have
examples of the block, but am curious to know how the blocks were
assembled? Single block with sashes, put together with a snowball
block, etc.(?)

Brackman has the earliest listing as 1906 in Clara Stones Practical
Needlework. I have not been able to locate this source.

It appears again in the 1934 Rural New Yorker. (I don't have this
source either).

Finley (Old Patchwork Quilts) Hall (The Romance of the Patchwork Quilt
in America) have single blocks. Quilt in a Day and Pieces of the Past
have quilts, but they are more recent renditions. I would prefer
something in the early 1900's if possible.

Brenda Applegate


Subject: Re: 54-40 of fight
From: Gaye Ingram <>
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:34:24 -0600
X-Message-Number: 4

---- Brenda & Roger Applegate <> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a source for an early 54-40 or fight quilt? I have examples of the block, but am curious to know how the blocks were assembled? Single block with sashes, put together with a snowball block, etc.(?)

Brenda, you might look through the Quilt Index and the state documentation books to see if you can locate the pattern by another name. I would check books featuring quilts from Texas and the Old Southwest and Mary Bywater Cross' books on Mormon quilts, also books about Mormon quiltmakers. These are groups that felt most strongly about the issue of Oregon and expanding territorial borders in general.

It should date from 1844, with James Knox Polk's campaign.

In "They Couldn't Vote but...." by Joan Vibert and Holly Girard (1987), the pattern unit appears on p.30 along with a quilting design. But no finished quilt or overall design. Accompanied by recipe for "Whoopee Pie," which appears to be something like "moon pie."

I've seen it in a quilt but cannot recall where right now. Many of the "political" quilts had other names previously and later than their topical popularity.



Subject: Quilt History Publishing
From: Sue Wildemuth <>

With the passing of companies like Rutledge Hill Press and other publishing
companies who were interested in publishing quilt history (without pattern
s) -- What do you feel is the future of quilt history book publishing?
There are many quilt history researchers whose topics of stu
dy fill a worthy niche of interest. (e.g. thinkquilt kits, Indian Hea
d fabric research, etc.), but they are turned down by traditional publishin
g houses because of they have no patterns or because they
feel the topic is too narrow or cost studies say q
uilt history does not sell as well as quilt pattern books do or the photogr
aph factor in quilt history books (we quilt history consumerslike goo
d quality photographs and that brings costs up). Many peo
ple are doing well researched e-books and selling them from their web sites
(it is my understanding that you are usually allowed to print off 1 copy o
f the e-book for yourself). As a quilt history book consu
mer  do you like quilt history e-books? Or do yo
u want to be able to hold a soft/hard covered book in your hand  t
raditionally published or self-published. Your thoughts?


Subject: Re: Quilt History Publishing
From: Patricia Cummings <>

First of all, I can't think of anyone using the e-book format to publish
quilt and embroidery history books, other than me. C&T had said recently
that they were thinking of bringing back some of their old titles in e-book
form, but I am not aware of any that they have actually published.

The nature of an e-book is appealing. Specific pages or all the pages of my
e-books can be printed out by the buyer. I respectfully request that a
single, personal copy be made.

We build in navigation features that make it easy to move to a specific
chapter, and there is a word search that will find the same word, throughou
the document. Photos can be as large as one would like, as there is no cost
of ink involved.

Another key feature is storage. It is much easier to store a jewel case tha
a 355 page book or even a 125 page book. The second floor of my house is
about ready to collapse from all of the books there. (Not bragging, just
complaining ... because I find it difficult to part with any quilt,
needlework, or history book).

E-books are lightweight and ship quickly through the mail, often overnight.
With e-books, everyone wins. Paper is saved which means less trees are cut
down. I think they are really handy in that they contain as much informatio
as any book, sometimes more. I know that I could not find a publisher for m
book that has 355 pages and 340 photos. As it is, it prints out to 3" thick
double-sided and is very heavy.

Patricia Cummings


Subject: Re: Quilt History Publishing

I'm of two minds on this. One, is that e-books save trees, and gosh knows
I don't have any more storage space for books around here. On the other
hand, I like books. The current state of the art on e-books is that you e
ither have to sit at your computer to get a copy with top-notch graphics-
the Kindle can't yet give you the picture quality of a fine art book. On
the other hand, that's only a few years away, I would reckon. So while I
would like to be ecologically friendly and say 'e-books'...I'm just not
there yet.
And apparently I have three hands. :)


Subject: Books
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 23:30:54 +0000
X-Message-Number: 8

When I look at a digital watch I of course can tell the time, but when
I look at two hands of a traditional watch I somehow read so much more
about the relationship of that moment in time to the rest of my day.
I feel the same about the difference between an e-book and the paper
kind. Even as someone who spends many hours reading on a screen I
still feel more in control, more flexible, more at ease, handling the
pages of a book. I understand the relationship of the page I am on to
the rest of the book in a way that I don't on screen.

Not sure if that makes sense, but its the best way I can explain why
for some things only paper will do for me.

Sally Ward


Subject: Re: Books: morphing into clocks with hands
From: Arden Shelton <>

omigawd....a woman after my own heart! I have to THINK and translate what time it is with numbers on a digital clock, whereas I can subconsciously know exactly what time it is with an analog timepiece. A mere glance at those 2 hands tells me all I need to know. The Moonbeam clock is the only one I can find which is analog and backlit for night viewing at the bedside.

(it comes in many pretty colors: to make this quilt related somehow).....arden

other colors:

(Ms) Arden Shelton
Portland, OR

From: Sally Ward <>
To: Quilt History List <>
Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 3:30:54 PM
Subject: [qhl] Books

When I look at a digital watch I of course can tell the time, but when I look at two hands of a traditional watch I somehow read so much more about the relationship of that moment in time to the rest of my day. I feel the same about the difference between an e-book and the paper kind. Even as someone who spends many hours reading on a screen I still feel more in control, more flexible, more at ease, handling the pages of a book. I understand the relationship of the page I am on to the rest of the book in a way that I don't on screen.

Not sure if that makes sense, but its the best way I can explain why for some things only paper will do for me.

Sally Ward


Subject: Re: Book publishing
From: Karen Alexander <>
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:29:42 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

Sally Ward wrote:

<<Even as someone who spends many hours reading on a screen ..... I
understand the relationship of the page I am on to the rest of the book in a
way that I don't on screen.>>

You hit the nail on the head, Sally and Arden.

I wonder if some day the younger generation will feel the same way about
books on computers as we do about paper books today? Is it merely the visual
and tactile 'habits' we have grown up with that makes us feel this way about
handling 'real' books vs e-books?

But I do like e-books for the reason Pat can have lots of
beautiful photos very cheaply....but I still have to rewire my brain to come
up with a different 'perception of space' so as to know "where" the
information is in an e-book. By the way, Pat has done a great job laying
out and illustrating her e-book on Ellen Emeline (Hardy) Webster. If you
haven't tried an e-book yet, this one will give you a good experience of
what an e-book can offer you. There are many reasons I enjoyed this book.
Among them is the overview that she gives you of so many of the earliest
20th century quilt pioneers. And because it is an e-book, she gives many
more photos.

Karen in the Islands


Subject: quilt history publishing
From: Andi <>

Sue wrote:

With the passing of companies like Rutledge Hill Press and other publishi
ng companies who were interested in publishing quilt history (without pat
terns) -- What do you feel is the future of quilt history book publishing
? There are many quilt history researchers whose topics of study fill a w
orthy niche of interest. (e.g. think quilt kits, Indian Head fabric resea
rch, etc.), but they are turned down by traditional publishing houses bec
ause of they have no patterns or because they feel the topic is too narro
w or cost studies say quilt history does not sell as well as quilt patter
n books do or the photograph factor in quilt history books (we quilt hist
ory consumers like good quality photographs and that brings costs up). Ma
ny people are doing well researched e-books and selling them from their w
eb sites (it is my understanding that you are usually allowed to print of
f 1 copy of the e-book for yourself). As a quilt history book consumer do
you like quilt history e-books? Or do you want to be able to hold a soft
/hard covered book in your hand traditionally published or self-published
 Your thoughts?

Niche publishers go out of business because the niche can't support
them. Quilt history publishing without patterns was never well-supported

in the marketplace, and QHL notwithstanding, is of very little
importance to the vast majority of people who have made quilting the $3
billion/year industry that it is. I've been quite heartened that Kansas
City Star has been willing to publish Barbara Brackman's and others'
quilt history-related books -- with patterns. There is at least that
much quilt history being printed on paper.

And what's so bad about including patterns, anyway? Why would anyone
want to read a book on the history of art or architecture without
pictures or blue-lines, or on cooking without recipes? How does printing

patterns in the book dilute quilt history? I find them enhancing. Time
and again on this list people have reported that taking apart and
re-working old quilts has been instructional and given them insights.

High quality photography is inexpensive in the digital age. What is
expensive is printing, but this factor means nothing when we consider
whether or not to publish a book; it's a given. If someone has told you
that good photos up the cost of printing a book, I'm surprised. There is

a difference between color and black/white, but what quilt book should
be b/w?

AQS is among many other publishers who have turned to e-publishing
technology to bring out-of-print books back into the marketplace. As a
consumer, I agree with others that the tactile qualities of a book are
very attractive and cannot be replaced by any manner of electronic
convenience. Is there room for both modalities? I certainly hope so.
There is always more than one right way to do almost anything, and in
quilt book publishing, this is also true.

Narrow interest topics such as those Sue mentioned are wonderful article

topics, and articles do a great job of educating and sparking interest.
Just because it isn't in book form doesn't mean it's not an excellent
contribution to the knowledge base. This was among the ideas behind
publishing /Pieces of Time: A Quilt & Textile History Magazine/. It's
got to be a driving force for those on this list who publish articles on

their web sites and blogs, and what makes AQSG seminars and
/Uncoverings/ so important -- and QHL.

At the end of the day, the bottom line does control whether or not a
publisher accepts a manuscript. Every book published is a financial
gamble for the publisher, and the odds favor those topics that have done

well already. I readily admit that I do all I can to introduce a little
quilt history in each book we publish, if it is appropriate to that
author's vision of her art or craft. But very often the quilters/authors

who are making what will become quilt history in the next century have
no interest in what went before or appreciation for their place along
the continuum.

A growing possibility for those who want to publish a book on their own
are what I call online vanity publishers. They help you create a book
that can be downloaded or printed. Teaser prices per copy are low, but
these books can be very expensive for someone hoping to reap financial
profit. As with traditional publishing, the hard work of e- or
self-publishing a book is what happens after it is created -- the
selling of it. If people interested in quilt history could demonstrate a

viable market for quilt history-only books, believe me, there would be
competition to publish them.

Another thought: commercial success doesn't necessarily equal longevity.

I'm thinking about Simply Quilts, which was a very successful show for
HGTV but was cancelled, nonetheless. The network must have thought that
moving on to other interests was in its own best interest. To make a
publishing analogy, C&T has expanded the topics and categories in which
it publishes such that it is no longer only a quilt book publisher.

Speaking for AQS, I would much rather receive book proposals and be
given the opportunity to review them in light of all we know than have
authors self-determine that we have no interest in publishing quilt
history or any other topic. If we are not interested in the proposed
book, I do my best to suggest other avenues. This is especially
important when an article is more appropriate for someone's idea, so we
can keep the information out there.

Andi in Paducah, KY


Subject: Re: quilt history publishing

One big problem is that if all books on quilting history must include
patterns, we risk losing the history that isn't pretty, or sexy, or that doesn't
lend itself to patterns. Also, quite frankly, digital photos do not
reproduce all the details that can show up in a high quality detail
photograph. Finally, what about when the technology changes? CDs are on the verge
of being replaced by MP3s, VHS tapes have yielded to DVDs which are starting
to yield to streaming, computers are obsolete within six months...actual
paper books are a better and more permanent way of preserving information
without the possibility of, say, a power loss wiping out an entire
collection, or the magnetization on a digital record flaking off (which is happening,
and which is driving archivists to drink).

Paper books have been used for thousands of years. Maybe they won't be as
common in the future, but I can't see them disappearing entirely....

Lisa Evans


Subject: quilt history books....the future
From: "Nancy Roberts" <>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:47:18 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4

An interesting discussion topic! As a matter of preference, I like an actual
book to hold and peruse. However, as a matter of practicality, I would say
that e-books are the best hope for publications on the subject of quilt
history. The market segment for this special interest topic is probably too
small for publishers to find it profitable. As the technology advances with
delivery systems like the Nook, Kindle, and other e-readers, I would imagine
they will eventually have the capability of including images in color, with
zoom features for detail study; perhaps have a print feature; and the like.
This would then become the most practical in terms of affordability,
portability, storage, and ease of use. E-books make sense in light of life
situations such as moving, aging, or downsizing. Sometimes I look at the
"stuff" in my sewing room and wonder what my family will make of it

I have not yet invested in an e-reader, simply because so many of the books
I purchase rely on color illustration or pattern pieces that need to be
enlarged or printed out in a hard copy. But I note the trend toward the
availability of electronic magazine subscriptions, online video tutorials,
and video downloads as opposed to paper copies and dvds. I'll be interested
to hear others' thoughts. Regards, Nancy


Subject: E Books
From: "Mary Persyn" <>

As the owner of a Kindle, I find it great for traveling but, at this point
in the technology, would not like to have all of my books in this format.

I still think that flipping back and forth in physical pages, perhaps
sticking a finger in here and there as a bookmark, is much more efficient
than paging back and forth in an electronic device. Also, the Kindle, at
least, takes some time to move from page to page. It reminds me of my
first flat screen TV, which I recently purchased. It takes much longer to
turn on that the 30 year old TV that it replaced.

I also find reading long documents harder on the eyes and neck on a
computer screen than on paper.

Maybe 10 years down the road the technology will be good enough to meet my


The word search is fantastic, however!

Mary G. Persyn
Associate Dean for Library Services
School of Law
Valparaiso University
656 S. Greenwich St.
Valparaiso, IN 46383
(219) 465-7830
FAX (219) 465-7917



Subject: Re: quilt history books....the future
From: Julia Zgliniec <>
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:19:22 -0800
X-Message-Number: 6

Good Morning All,
I have enjoyed this topic on publications and agree with the comments
that have been made.
I am in agreement with Sally however, on the pure tactile pleasure of
holding a book. There is one aspect of hard copy not mentioned which I
find wonderful. I love the SMELL of books!! The smell of books in the
library, the smell of my bookshelf and the smell of a used bookstore
have no equal.

The electronic variety which has much to recommend simply cannot appeal
to the senses the way a wonderful old book fills the hand, the eye, AND
the nose.

Julia Zgliniec
Poway, CA - where rain is predicted.


Subject: Re: quilt history books....the future
From: "Jean Carlton" <>

I admit to not having tried e books but I like the tactile qualities of
holding the book, I like to study the cover art, underline, highlight or
make margin comments.....I also like curling up with a book and an
afghan. I often refer back to it - I like shelves full of my favorite
books....lending them out etc. But I know that we are being dragged,
like it or not, into the rapidly changing technologies of all sorts so
I guess I better be open minded about new things.
I gave in to a camera on my last phone though I went in thinking I DO
NOT NEED A CAMERA IN MY PHONE. But I actually have been happy to have it
-I like the photo of the caller on my screen when it rings and have
found myself in situations where I wanted a photo but had not brought a
camera. (often of a quilt in an antique store) Besides, that model was
actually less expensive than the 'plain' one. I hear one should remember
you have that feature in your cell phone if you are in an
accident.....snap a photo of the damage. Luckily have not used it for
that yet.

and I don't twitter .....:)


Subject: Julia's comment about books and publication opportunities
From: <>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 13:07:59 -0800
X-Message-Number: 8

Julia stated,
"I love the SMELL of books!! The smell of books in the
library, the smell of my bookshelf and the smell of a used bookstore
have no equal."
Believe her! In 2006, Julia stayed in my home prior to the AQSG Seminar in Farmington to conduct some genealogical research on her Connecticut roots. Her room doubles as the guest room and library and was a perfect choice for her! It is filled with books from the 1830s to the present, mostly textile history related. At the time, she commented she could just stay there to do her research. If it wasn't for Seminar starting, she might still be there.
Regarding opportunities for publication of textile and quilt-related topics: AQSG is the perfect venue through Blanket Statements and Uncoverings. Plus, at last year's Seminar, we began poster presentations. Pat Nickols shared her research on fabric and the textile industries. This opportunity is going to be expanded upon at futures seminars. Many of you are involved in unique and interesting quilt history research. I hope you will always think of AQSG first when it comes time to share you knowledge.
Sue Reich
From Connecticut, all wintery and white.

Sue Reich
Washington Depot, Connecticut


Subject: Re: E Books
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:39:54 EST


My dentist had to tell me what a Kindle was last year! I came into the
computer age kicking and screaming. Did not care for it at work as an RN and,
except for research and preparing papers, I dislike even sitting in front of
this box. I love books. I have them in every room but the bathrooms. I
love knowing they're here and my husband is, as we speak, installing some
built-in book cases across one wall of our family room so I can fill it with
more. Quilt magazines also take up a large part of the decor, and yep, I'm
still hanging on to every issue of my Country Living magazines. I enjoy
looking through these old friends and enjoying all the pictures of quilts.
Country decorating may have gone out of style with the fast majority of the
population, but I loved it before it was popular and love it still!

Who ever said, "I can't wait to go home and curl up with my computer!"

Hope everyone is well and happy. I just returned from an annual quilt UFO
retreat weekend in lower Alabama. I took some duplicate books for sale and
brought back a box full I bought! We buy and sale to eachother to unload
some of our clutter and collect more!

All my best,

Alma Moates
AQS Certified Appraiser-Quilted Textiles
Pensacola, Florida


Subject: Re: Books
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:53:17 EST


I agree. Same with cards and letters. I like getting emails from friends
but nothing takes the place of a nice hand written card or letter. I try to
send cards and letters to friends and family on special occasions.

Alma Moates
AQS Certified Appraiser-Quilted Textiles
Pensacola, Fl.


Subject: Re: Julia's comment about books and publication opportunities

The problem with Uncoverings for publication is, simply, space. There is
so much research and scholarship going on that there isn't enough room for
the AQSG to publish everything.

I wish we still had something like Quilt Journal for quilt history buffs.
So much good information!

Lisa Evans


Subject: Kindle

I would like to get an e-reader at some point, but unless and until Amazon
allows non-Amazon content on its machine, I will never buy a Kindle. Yes,
they have a huge selection of books available, but if I can't choose the
content that suits me, I'm simply not interested. Maybe a Sony e-reader at
some point, though...

Lisa Evans


Subject: Kindle
From: Mary Persyn <>
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:54:50 -0600
X-Message-Number: 13

I should have mentioned earlier that the only reason I have a Kindle is
that I won it. One of the joys of being a law librarian is that the
vendors give away cool stuff at our annual meeting. :-) Or at
least they used to. I don't know what the economy will do to their
give-aways, but with the prices they are charging . . . .


Mary G. Persyn
Associate Dean for Library Services
School of Law Library
Valparaiso University
656 S. Greenwich St.
Valparaiso, IN 46383
219-465-7830 FAX 219-465-7917


Subject: Quilt History Publishing
From: Sue Wildemuth <>

I wrote the original post because I wanted to see how people who are quilt
history consumers like to receive their quilt history information. I
thank each one of you who shared your opinions on and off line.
I myself am not married to any one way to receive my quilt history
information. I like e-books. The first e-book I read was
by Kim Wulfert  Threading the Research Needle which she
wrote pretty early on (I99d say early to mid 2000s) and it is a ver
y impressive piece of work. Pat Cummings books ( both e and soft cove
rs) are well done too. Nancy Kirk is another who has done e-books.
 There are severalothers, but you get the idea. These women
do their homework and do good work. The photograph and space factor i
s a plus with e-books. They are also a great venue for specialized ar
eas of research. I do print off one copy of an e-book for myself and
put it in a three ring binder because I like to go back to them again and a
gain. I LOVE web sites and blogs as ways to share quilt h
istory information - formally (web site) and informally (blog). I go
to people web sites and read them on a regular basis-- it is a ve
ry veryearly Sunday morning ritual for me. There are sites I lo
ve and I read them like other people read newspapers  one of my fa
vorite quilt web sites features a grandchild sitting on a big white d
og. You know who you are, I LOVE that photo and it never fails to make me f
eel good when I see it.I love publications like the Iowa Illino
is Quilt Study Group PIECES OF TIME and the American Quilt Study
Group BLANKET STATEMENTS. I always enjoy reading national q
uilt magazines which feature pieces on quilt history, but these articles se
em to be getting rarer to find. I hope magazines will do
more special quilt history issue editions like Better Homes and Gardens
Century of Quilts.I buy self published books.
 The Quilter Hall of Fame Book, Kyra Hicks books, Pat Cummings
, and Mary Jo Reede book on her mother Maxine Teele are all excel
lent examples of well done self publishing, I would recommend e
ach one of these women work to anyone interested in quilt history
as I own at least one book from each of these people/organizations.
I have to admit, I love holding a book in my hand  I u
sed to work in a library and there is something very tactile and appealing
about being able to reach to the left of my computer and pull a book off my
shelf to look something up. Maybe it is a reflection of my age
 I99m 51 and I am that kid that used to sit in-between the sta
cks at the public library with her coat on and her little brother in tow si
tting cross-leggedreading a book I had pulled off the shelf.
As for patterns in quilt history books  I have nothing again
st them, but I would also like to see some books or pamphletswon spec
ialized quilt history subjects without them. Thanks
again to all who gave their opinions.


Subject: Re: Kindle
From: Ilene <>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 20:35:07 -0500 (EST)
X-Message-Number: 15

I own a Kindle. And you can put other ebooks, pdf's, Word text files on the Kindle. There are many web sites that offer content that con be converted to go on the Kindle. And you can have this content converted by Amazon for free and sent to your computer to transfer to your Kindle via USB or for a small fee (I paid .30 for a book) sent directly to the Kindle via Whispernet. Sure the Kindle or other device will never completely replace the book, I am amazed everyday by my Kindle and I love it. My tiny condo is overflowing with books, so I had to do something. I do not want to get rid of my books, but I wanted more. With the Kindle I can have 1000's of books in a 10x4x1/2 inch space. And there are hundreds of free books. Not just classics, Amazon offers new books for free every few days. Also, a Sci-Fi site offers many books free that are Kindle friendly already. Check it out! You have not researched the Kindle enough.
In Raleigh


Subject: quilt history publishers - what's next?

Hello - I have noticed that many "quilt history" books published today incorporate both history and some how-to's such as patterns or designs. Barb
ara Brackman's Flora Botanica and Encyclopedia of Applique both include five related quilt "projects." Perhaps the publishers are trying to appeal to both interests.

Plus there are probably some smaller publishers such as Ohio University Press still printing quilt related books. OUhas beenprinting a series of Ohio quilt history books which include three historical volumes and one
on the more current Quilt National held in the same town as the university

Maybe there are more out there . . .

As someone who has had a (small) story published in an ebook through Kim Wulfert's Women in Quilts series, I can attest to the convenience of having the ebook made available for download at my convenience. I did have several copies printed for Christmas gifts and was very pleased with the professional look of the document, but am also sending the PDF version to out-of-town friends and leaving the print option to them. So I like the flexibility of the ebook.

As a(retired) librarian, I feel that whatever technique is needed to get the readingmaterial out to prospective readers is a viable meansto dessminate the information.As much as I love the feel, weight, and texture of my books, I would rather have an ebook, PDF file, blog file, or web archiveabout a particular subject than no information at all.

Just my two cents worth

Sharon Pinka
Rainbow Quilt Blocks, Quilt Study & Research
6323 Possum Run Rd.
Bellville, OH 44813 USA

Subject: Re: quilt history books....the future
From: Patricia Cummings <>

With e-books on CD, all one needs is a computer to read them, no special
equipment. The only requirement is that a free, software program be in place
and "Adobe Reader," as it is called, is automatically installed in all new
computers, but can easily be downloaded onto old computers by going to their

One simply places the e-book disc in the slot, and after a minute or two,
the whole book loads onto the screen for viewing (scrolling with the mouse,
at your leisure). No special viewer is needed. How simple is that?


Subject: Re: E Books
From: Patricia Cummings <>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 17:27:50 -0500

While we are on the subject of quilt history books, if that is, indeed, the
subject we are addressing, the most recent hard-cover books that I have
received from amazon have been the largest, most unwieldy things imaginable.
These encyclopedic versions of quilt history would be best broken down in a
series of volumes that one can more readily handle.

Awhile ago, I sold the largest Gee's Bend book ever produced. I am sure it
was loaded with great information, in small print I couldn't read from a
distance, and the thing weighed a ton! Nice big photos, lots of hard work
for whoever put it together, but I couldn't even hold the book, it was so
large. I have kept the Gees Bend books that were not as huge.

I have never tried Kindle. It is not that I am diametrically-opposed to the
machine, but it is #1) expensive and #2) does not offer the kind of reading
I prefer to do. I have stopped reading recreational material, i.e. novels. I
read a lot of them when I was younger. Tastes change. In my remaining years,
I hope to stick to non-fiction books, the type that require research, such
as all the books I have written.

It is amazing to me how quick people are to "diss" a product they have never
tried. As someone said, there will always be room for all kinds of books and
all kinds of publishing. I'll have to tell you, I have a lot of fun putting
my ideas together without the interference of an editor, who is always
worried about the "bottom line." (money) I don't care if I make any money. I
have the satisfaction of creating something that did not exist before I came
along, just like my original quilt designs. Believe it or not, my customers
are very "happy campers" and love the e-book format, and it is for them that
I continue to do my best work.


Patricia Cummings


Subject: Re: Kindle

I'm glad you enjoy it. I still have serious reservations about the Kindl
e and, based on extensive research about the product, the compa
ny, and the business model they use. I cannot afford an e-reader at this
time, but based on all of the above, if I do ever get one it's not going
to be a Kindle until they make a few changes in the way they provide cont

Just my opinion :)

Lisa Evans

P.S. Does anyone out there have a Nook? I've heard good things about the


Subject: Re: Kindle

And oh, something I forgot:

The Kindle has software installed that automatically tracks what you read,
where you got it, and how long you read it. I really, really do not like
the idea of giving a business that much knowledge about my reading habits
. It also strikes me as unnecessary, since if you buy a Kindle almost all
the content will come from Amazon anyway - I guess it's so they can send
you ads via e-mail (or possibly on the Kindle?) for books they think are

Not my cup of tea, at least right now....

Lisa Evans


Subject: re Andi's/others' comments re publishing
From: Gaye Ingram <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 0:51:22 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1

I suppose I'm surprised the niche for quilt history books is so small. Perhaps that is my provincialism.

I love the books. And no matter what anyone says, such topics are best covered in books. And books make a library. The experience of reading a book is entirely different from the experience of reading e-books, which certainly have their place (one thinks of manuals, for instance) but do not replace books.

How many copies of a typical quilt history books must sell to make it profitable for a publisher?

What about the old method of subscription to books? Still used in very high-end art books, it was the standard of another day. It's not ideal, but it beats letting the publishing die out.

I say this often, but once again, I'm reminded that we might fare better if we allied ourselves with academic historians and if more quilt history books examined quilts from more "academic" perspectives.

Perhaps we should try to identify a publisher/publishers who would consider undertaking quilt history books.

I think Andi made a good point: why complain about the addition of a pattern in a book that is otherwise about history. Don't quilt historians make quilts?

I also liked Andi's comment that potential writers should consult AQS and other publishers and not automatically assume they would be uninterested.

Some university presses have done some good work for us. I think specifically of Ohio U Press. We ought to find ways to encourage their efforts.

Every other group lobbies.......



Subject: Publishing through print on demand?
From: "Judy Anne" <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 00:19:23 -0700
X-Message-Number: 2

There is another option that we need to consider. I know Kira Hicks self
published her book about Harriet Powers and if I understand right the book
was actually printed after I ordered it. It came very quickly so the process
is fast. By publishing this way we were able to enjoy reading the new
information right away. I think it's a great idea.

I think it's even possible to offer a self published book in either an
e-book or a regular book. So the buyer could choose what she prefers.

Judy Breneman


Subject: Kindle, quilt hisotry books etc
From: Pepper Cory <>

Hello all QHL friends-
Re: Kindle and other electronic readers--they're excellent for trips and
limited usage and think of how they can keep folks with limited mobility
connected--I have a friend who is wheel-chair bound and gets his paper
subscriptions as well as his light reading through his Kindle--it's been a
About quilt history books--love 'em all but disagree that patterns given
might be a detriment to popularity and appeal. If only a couple of
interesting patterns (unusal blocks etc) are given at the back of the book,
it makes that book, in the eyes of the practical quiltmaker/historian
(target customer) a more valuable resource. I have spent happy weeks
drafting unusual patterns after getting a wonderful state quilt project book
but then again, I've been at this thing for a while. I'd disagree with a
publisher's request for basic quiltmaking instructions or common patterns
because "easy to sew" doesn't sell these books but c'mon--a few patterns
wouldn't hurt and would likely help sales. (This is said after looking over
four unsuccessful tries at drafting a particularly thorny double-compass
from one of the Texas books.)
Thanks Andi for reminding us that AQS is interested in all sorts of
submissions. My take on this: never stop researching and writing about
quilts! So, to jump another rabbit (as they say in rural NC) if you're
around coastal North Carolina in two months...put February 5 and 6 on your
calendar for the second Quilt Appreciation Day event at the Core Sound
Waterfowl Museum on Harker's Island, NC. It's the only event in Downeast NC
that celebrates the quilt pure and simple. Lynn Gorges and I spread out the
quilts, look up their patterns, talk to the owners about condition and
provenance. Old friend re-connect and we also record stories about the
quilts and their makers. A laid-back event in a beautiful place.
By the way, you've never heard the Night Before Christmas until you've heard
it recited in a Downeast brogue: 'Twas the noight afore Christmas-" etc,
from a cold and sunny shore

Pepper Cory
Teacher, author, designer, and quiltmaker
203 First Street
Beaufort, NC 28516
(252) 726-4117


Subject: revision...Quilt groups and museums
From: Marsha MacDowell <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:24:38 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4

[sorry - I realized I had not said in my previous post which museum
the Ann Arbor Quilt Guild supports]

In regards to the recent discussion about the relationship of quilt
groups to museums I just want to give a shout out to the Ann Arbor
Quilt Guild which has, over the years, provided wonderful donations
of funds that have enabled the Michigan State University Museum to
buy new cabinets and archival materials.

Marsha MacDowell
Curator, Michigan State University Museum


Subject: Quilt groups and museums
From: Marsha MacDowell <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:15:55 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

In regards to the recent discussion about the relationship of quilt
groups to museums I just want to give a shout out to the Ann Arbor
Quilt Guild which has, over the years, provided wonderful donations
of funds that have enabled us to buy new cabinets and archival


Subject: book publishing
From: Donald Beld <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:08:28 -0800 (PST)

I have to agree with Andi about publishing with patterns. I believe that
, if more scholars (of which I am not) published and included patterns, the
ir work would have more wide-spread interest. I give trunk show talks qu
ite a bit in the Western USA and always show my Sanitary Commission quilts.
 I also always have a home printed group of patterns for my different qu
ilts for sale. Not surprising is the fact that few people buy the Sanita
ry Commission patterns (even though I hang the quilts) until I give the his
tory behind them and what they mean to our nation's and quilting's history.
 Then I sell quite a few.

So history and patterns sell well. best, Don


Subject: Family quilts and morphing into clocks with hands
From: " Barb Vlack" <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:36:27 -0600
X-Message-Number: 7

1. I quite agree with Jocelyn, who responded about my comment about the
era producing a lot of unfinished quilts. It was true in my
grandmother's/mother's family, as it was also generalized after WWII,
store bought goods became accessible once again, they were favored over
homemade things from previous times that were made out of
leftovers and
created to make do when there was little to use to make bed coverings.
they could be afforded, many wanted new and not the scrappy
things. The
preference for store bought goods continued until the 70s, when, I
the attention to colonial crafts was heightened by the bicentennial
observance. That interest in the quiltmaking as a craft continues,
goodness, and has developed into what we have now.

2. Analog vs digital clocks. A lot depends on what kind of clock we
learned to tell time. When my mother, who had Alzheimer's, had
progressed to
nursing home care, I wanted to get a wall clock for her room. I thought
had to be an analog clock, but I also wanted a clock that would display
day and date in large type. I was surprised to find one online that was
that. After I ordered it, I learned that it came from a medical supply
that specialized in equipment for Alzheimer's and OT patients. My mother
could tell time with the analog clock but not with a digital. She could
the day and date as they flipped over in the display. She couldn't
relate to
the day or date, but she could read what it was.

Barb Vlack
I have fulfilled a $1000 fund raising promise for Alzheimer's research
am working on a second $1000 pledge. Cheer me on at:
For lectures and workshops, see


Subject: Re: Quilt History Publishing
From: Judy Schwender <>

Hello all,One possibility for quilt history publishing is on-line book p
ublishers. One of the members of a textile group I belong to has created
her own book of her textile art using . You can see her s
ection here: brought one of
the actual books to a meeting and I was very impressed. The images were
excellent and the quality was wonderful. The company does the fulfillme
nt, but no marketing- that's up to you. Yes, these are expensive books w
hen you consider that, say, $29.95 is the price to anyone who buys a par
ticular book, be they retailer or consumer. But mass marketing is not wh
at this type of publishing is about. Basically, you give them images and
text and you end up with a book that maybe 30 people will buy. As for d
etail in the images, it's pretty much GIGO.No quilt publisher would t
ouch that. But there are stories out there that need to be published thi
s way. For quilt history my first choice is always Uncoverings, mainly b
ecause of the editing process those articles undergo. Second choice is B
lanket Statements. But what if you want to publish a history of your fam
ily's quilts in album format? What if you want to publish a book about t
he quilts you've made? What if your guild wants to publish a book about
the guild's history? What if you want to publish a book about your own q
uilt collection?Sue Benner has a book for sale through as d
o Jo Pender, Pauline Burbidge, and Judy Dales. There are some interestin
g books related to quilthistory, too. We may be missing some possibil
ities here by not being aware of books being published in this manner.
Judy Schwender


Subject: Re: qhl digest: December 05, 2009
From: "M. McCann" <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:16:11 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 9

RE: 54-40 quilts
The quilt index has a couple examples in their site. From my small amount of research, this was not a widely popular pattern. And the examples I have found are from the 1800's. If you read the introduction to Barbara Brackman's encyclopedia, you will see that she limited her research to publications from the Midwest, and the ones she used were mostly from the 1900's - which disregards or misdates the blocks that were available in the mid-1800's like this one.

54-40 was a politically-inspired block regarding the US border. The slogan "54-40 or fight" referred to the setting of the US/Canadian border at it's current location.

In snowy central Virginia


Subject: harriett tubman house

I met a woman this weekend in Nashville at a Civil War Show. She is writin
g a book on the Temperance Movement. I talked to her about "Temperance inf
luenced textiles". In the conversation she mentioned that she had learned
about quilts being used as a signal with the UGRR. I told her it is a myt
h and asked where she got this information. She said that she heard it whe
n visiting Harriet Tubman's historic home.
ttubman/ Have any of you visited the site and heard this?
Just passing on this sad information. I hope it was several years ago that
she heard it and that it has been corrected.
Off to Messiah practice. Our performance is next week. The best part of Ch
ristmas for me!!
Lynn Lancaster Gorges, New Bern, NC


Subject: Itty Bitty Quilts
From: "Mary Persyn" <>

The second group of Itty Bitty Quilts to benefit the AQSQ Endowment Fund
are now available for bidding on ebay. Go to and search for
AQSG in the search box.

There are a bunch of cute little quilts and the first group went for
reasonable prices.

Check them out,


Mary G. Persyn
Associate Dean for Library Services
School of Law
Valparaiso University
656 S. Greenwich St.
Valparaiso, IN 46383
(219) 465-7830
FAX (219) 465-7917

Subject: family quilts?
From: Alice Kinsler <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:17:22 -0800
X-Message-Number: 1

In answer to your question, Judy, I have scores of tops that my
grandmother made when she came from Missouri to live with us for many
summers during my Indiana youth. Teaching me how to cut and hand
piece, Grandma Greenstreet gave me other lessons as well while I
learned how to quilt in the 1950s in the breeze of a fan in our
farmhouse living room. I also have quilts that my mother treasured
as 1936 wedding gifts from family friends and relatives, and those
she made during the revival, as well as a quilt from my Aunt Evalee
that I wrote a paper about while at UNL. She sold her quilts for $25
outside the local grocery to raise enough money for stove fuel each
winter...I gave her many times that in payment for a piece of her art.

I am, and will likely always be a quilter. And I can sleep under
quilts in which I can identify family clothing and leavings from
spent kitchen curtains and margins from all the fabric cut by my
mother for our family's needs...a wonderful remembrance of a
wonderful childhood. And I am a graduate of the UNL textile history
program with a special emphasis in quilt studies. Go figure!

Alice Kinsler
In Carmel Valley CA where our Mediterranean climate brought the rainy
season in with a roar last night


Subject: publishing, temperance
From: Laura Fisher <>

All - Publishing a history book with quilt patternsas a chapteradds a
market in whichthat book could be sold also, simple as that. Makes fina
ncial sense, given the cost of publishing, to reach as large an audience as

I always wonder when you read that some contemporary tomes get huuuuuuuuge
advances (usually for celebs) what are publishers doing? Could they ever po
ssibly make back that cost,I don't care who 'wrote' it. And did you know
rather than warehousing unsold copies, many publishers destroy the unsold
inventory. Tough field, publishing is.

About Temperance quilts, is it true that blue and whites of a certain era r
epresented affiliation with the Womens Christian Temperance Movement? Did t
hey use certain pieced patterns, orare the indigos and whites from that
era all likely to be temperance related? What about the T quilts--did they
relate to the movement also? Any info would be, as always, most grateful
ly appreciated (and filed for future ref)


Laura Fisher at
305 East 61st Street,5th floor
New York, NY 10065



Subject: more on publishing
From: Andi <>
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 03:13:46 -0600
X-Message-Number: 3

This list is so good for all the perspectives shared. Thanks again,
Kris, for being the list mom.

Print on demand (POD), e-books and other emerging technologies are all
avenues for quilt history publication. Because traditional publishing is
unlikely to be a frequent home for quilt history, and I'm a buff, I 'm
happy about these other modalities. At issue will always be the reach of
these venues, as Judy pointed out. A market of 30 individuals buying a
print-on-demand book like Kyra's is good, but it's so very, very
selective; is that enough to keep that information alive? Not that it
shouldn't be done; it just underscores the value of AQSG and their
publications, magazines, local and regional study groups and this list.
And for that matter, local guilds who schedule the occasional history
speaker and all the wonderful folks who work on documentation days. And
those involved in re-enactment groups who help spread the word. And so on.

Thinking about potential bright spots for publishing quilt history
books, I'd like to add the University of Mississippi Press, which
published the book on Martha Skelton and several others, to the list of
possibilities. Other university and small regional presses are good to
approach, too. University presses are not necessarily limited to
academic tomes; they often have a commercial stream of titles. Like
almost all book publishers, they tend to focus on areas of interest or
expertise, so it pays to check their lists before querying them. John
Blair from Winston-Salem is one such regional press whose titles never
cease to intrigue me. Bear in mind that the marketing efforts of any
press, printing house or publisher are not exhaustive; AQS knows the
how-to quilt market inside out and we understand our target audience
very well. Hand us a children's book on turtles, and we're a fish out of
water. Check out Writer's Market at your library to research publishers'

And like the historical society example, it really does matter who is at
the helm. My predecessor managed to open the door to AQS publishing
quilt-related fiction. I'm intrigued by this prospect and am an avid
fiction reader, but confess it wouldn't have occurred to me to initiate
this branching out. Now we're looking into it and I'm happy to be part
of the initiative.

What really revs me up is Joe Cunningham's forthcoming book on men who
quilt. Finally! Some quilt history! There will be some patterns in his
book and they are being included to improve the book's marketability as
well as to show the artistic processes these quilters use. As far as I
can tell, Joe's book will be a good entry into quilt history annals
because of his insightful questions, concise writing and the
elephant-in-the-room fact that it's about men who quilt (not the men who
dominate the business side of the quilt industry, although I think they
would be an interesting bunch to write about, too) -- and he has the
perfect perspective and background to write this book. I wanted to read
such a book long before I got to AQS, and I sought to make it happen.
Joe's been a dream to work with and you're going to love his book. (I
can't apologize about the shameless commerce plug. I couldn't be more

His book wouldn't have happened at AQS without my personal interest in
quilt history, and I can't see C&T or Martingale or House of White
Birches or Landauer publishing it. Just as in fund-raising where you
really need to know who you're talking to to raise the funds, so it goes
when it comes to getting a book published -- in any genre. But it also
wouldn't have happened if I hadn't convinced the proposal review
committee that these men's quilts would be interesting to reproduce if
we included patterns.

There it is again -- that pesky bottom line. I'm convinced that the
Kansas City Star books are getting more quilt history into people's
hands because they primarily appeal to quiltmakers who want to make the
quilts and then slowly awaken to even thinking that there is such a
thing as quilt history. I also do not think that Uncoverings, Blanket
Statements and Pieces of Time should go the pattern route. They are so
wonderful as they are for what they are.

Andi in Paducah, KY


Subject: A journalist in need for a project on the oral history of sewing
From: Meribah Knight <>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:02:07 -0600
X-Message-Number: 4


Hello All,

My name is Meribah Knight, I am a journalist based out of Chicago conductin
an oral history archiving project of women92s sewing circles in the U.S. w
a grant awarded from Harvard University. A few experts in the field of quil
history recommended I reach out on this list serve. I think Judy Schwender
at the National Quilt Museum** may have also sent a message out on this a
few months ago outlining my project. But I thought I would take the time to
reach out as well, introduce my project, and ask your help in locating
sewing groups who might like to participate.

The project I am working on is entitled: *Will the Circle Be Unbroken: An
Oral History of Women92s Sewing Circles in America*. In addition to the
Harvard University grant I have also applied for funding from the National
Endowment for the Humanities, which I am waiting to hear about. I also hope
to turn the research into a book.

A bit about myself: I write a great deal about sewing and the resurgence
contemporary crafts is having among younger people in America. I have two
articles about sewing currently on newsstands. The first is in the December
issue of *O, The Oprah Magazine*. It is a first person narrative about
sewing through three generations of women in my family. The second article
is for *American Craft* magazine and is a much more trend-oriented piece
about the resurgence of handcrafts in the U.S. You can read them on my

The premise of *Will the Circle Be Unbroken* is to preserve the stories and
experiences that existed among women within sewing and quilting circles. I
am focusing on groups as opposed to individuals because I think there is a
wonderful dynamic that women have when they get together to do something
like sew or quilt. To find and speak with these women, I will be
crisscrossing the U.S. interviewing, archiving and writing about various
sewing circles. I am trying to find the most diverse grouping possible:
African American, Caucasian, Hmong, Native American, Inuit, Mexican
American, South Asian, and many more. Because so many ethic groups hold
traditions in handcrafts, sewing circles exist among all of them. And it is
my mission to find them! After the interviews have been completed and
edited, they will be archived in the Schlesinger Library at Harvard
University, and possibly in a book.

If you think you are part of, or might know, a group of women who would lik
to participate I would be very grateful if you emailed me, or passed my
information on to them.

Thank you again and I am happy to provide any additional information, just
let me know.


Meribah Knight


Subject: Itty Bitty Quilts
From: Jean Lester <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:35:28 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

It looks like these have all been made by just a few individuals. I
haven't been active in AQSG in quite a while, but this worries me a
little. Does this mean that they were the only ones that were willing?



Subject: Re: [SPAM] Itty Bitty Quilts
From: xenia cord <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:50:17 -0500
X-Message-Number: 6

Hi Jean and all - The Itty Bitty Quilt project for AQSG invited
anyone interested to send a 4.5" (unfinished) block and $5 to one of
the Endowment committee during this past summer. There were about
150 blocks sent to several of us, who then worked them into small
samplers and reached out to other AQSG members to hand quilt or
machine quilt the tops. The current auction is the final step in
this fun- draiser for the AQSG Endowment.

That's why there are just a few names associated with the quilts; we
were trying to make order out of organized chaos <gg>! No tops could
be assembled until all of the blocks were received, which resulted in
marathon sewing.

Feel free to bid!



Subject: unknown quilt pattern- need help
From: Judy Schwender <>

Hello all,Ijust posted a small picture of an unknown applique quil
t to the E-Board. The information I have is that the maker purchased
the quilt kit at Stewart Department Store, Louisville, Kentucky,
during the 1950s. The present owner calls it "Friendship Quilt", but
I could not find it in Brackman's Encyclopedia of Applique (I thought it wa
s #82.24, but it isn't.)If anyone knows what the published name
is, I would really appreciate knowing.Thank you.Judy Schwen
derPaducah, KY


Subject: Re: qhl digest: December 07, 2009
From: "M. McCann" <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:31:53 -0800 (PST)
X-Message-Number: 8

Re: The UGRR and Harriet Tubman

While I have not visited the Harriet Tubman home, it is a National Park Service (NPS) site. The National Park Service has posters available that show blocks which were supposedly used for messages on the UGRR. You can order one on line if you like. The docents at the various civil war sites are trained on the UGRR and the various signals for slaves fleeing the south - including the "extensive use of quilts".

As a living historian/civil war reenactor I have run into this numerous times at various sites ranging from Gettysburg tours to New Market. At one site I talked to the docent about the myth of the UGRR and was told that since the NPS said it was true, it had to be true. According to this person the government had researched the topic, and I had to be wrong. Nevermind that the story defies common sense, uses blocks not known to exist at the time, and has never been substantiated in writing by any first hand source.

The best description I have heard of this is "fakelore" - something false that becomes embedded in the folklore and won't go away.



Subject: Re: Document fabric -- Urn and Flowers


Just catching up on qhl messages. Not sure what kind of information you
need on the motif but I have a 'partial' lone star that has this urn and
flowers as broderie perse applique in 2 of the large outer triangles of the
quilt. I remember doing a little research on the early printer Alexander
Hamilton Rowan thinking he might have been the AR whose initials are printed on
the urn. What info I found was in Winterthur but there was nothing
resembling this urn.

I have a little more information on this specific quilt. Contact me
off-list if you are interested.

Carolyn Miller, in rainy, dreary North Texas



Subject: Friendship quilt identification
From: Sue Wildemuth <>

Judy,That quilt kit looks like onefeatured in:LeeWard Mills
Catalog Chicago/Elgin, Illinois (LeeWard Mills was the forerunner to
LeeWards of Elgin, Illinois)"Autumn Flowers"Catalog17 - 1954-1955
Catalog 18 - 1955It sold for $6.98, but at that time it w
as offered in the catalog for $5.97. The caption reads: Autumn
Flowers - A floral fairyland of dainty pastel blossoms on snow white fine p
ercale 81 x 100 with just a touch of embroidery for accent. Includes col
orfast pastel applique pieces, embroidery thread, instructions. I can
send you a scan of the catalog entries if you need it for verification.
I am not sure who the manufacturer was because LeeWard Millsdid not m
anufacture their own quilt kits at that time.Rosie Werner might be able
to help with the name of the manufacturer. Sue


Subject: the UGRR battle
From: "Stephanie Grace Whitson" <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:20:25 -0600
X-Message-Number: 11

I try to educate fellow writers when I can. I recently mentioned this myth
on a writers loop and was contacted individually by a novelist who's next
novel is all about this and wanted to know if I had good resources. I
provided them. The ones that debunk it.
Of course the novelist has sold the book and it will be in print. Sigh.
Stephanie Whitson


Subject: re family quilts
From: Marsha MacDowell <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:40:37 -0500
X-Message-Number: 12

I am lucky enough to have a number of family quilts -- made by my
mother's grandmother and great-grandmother on the maternal side and
my mother's great-grandmother on her father's side. Some were made
for me when I was born, some I slept under all of my child life, some
have been given to me on special occasions. Some have been registered
already into the Quilt Index.

A couple were registered early on in the Michigan Quilt Project. Two
others were added more recently. If you wanted a way to see how the
Index works, you can use the below to see some of my own family's
quilts. It is really cool.

Go to the Signature Quilt Project main page, then go to the
Search tool:

Enter Rybolt and you will see two quilts:
1. The MacDowell Anniversary Quilt Signature Quilt (the only quilt I
have ever had a hand in making)
2. The Alice Lane Quilt (made for my great-grandmother by her friends
and family members)

You can also access these and another quilt made by my other great
grandmother by entering "Rybolt" in the Quilt Index home page "quick
search" button box.

And yet more by Alice Lane by entering "Alice Lane" in the Quilt
Index home page "quick search" button box.

Now I need to enter more of my family quilts and get my relatives to
enter the family quilts they have been the recipients of.

Also - I can't wait to someday see another Ginger or Rybolt or Lane
quilt pop up that has been registered in the Index by someone unknown
to us.

Marsha MacDowell
Co-PI, The Quilt Index


Subject: Re: the UGRR battle
From: Patricia Cummings <>

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My case in point. This is why I don't read novels. I don't want my mind

Patricia Cummings

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Stephanie Grace Whitson <> wrote:

> I try to educate fellow writers when I can. I recently mentioned this myth
> on a writers loop and was contacted individually by a novelist who's next
> novel is all about this and wanted to know if I had good resources. I
> provided them. The ones that debunk it.
> Of course the novelist has sold the book and it will be in print. Sigh.
> Stephanie Whitson



Subject: e-books
From: Patricia Cummings <>

The trouble with "e-books" is that the term means something different to
everyone. Some people equate them with books read on a Kindle or some other,
small and expensive machine with a small screen, in black and white.

To me, e-book (electronic book) means a full-length book with many large,
color photos, that has been well-researched, and prints out on regular 8
1/2" x 11" typing paper. The consumer can print one page, or 125 pages, or
355 pages, etc.

The pages have bee converted to a pdf document and that is why the computer
that is used to "read" it, must have Adobe Reader software. Most all PCs
have that already installed today, but if you have an ancient model, then it
is simple enough for even the most computer-illiterate person to download
the latest version of Adobe software.

I love e-book publishing. If I put a comma in the wrong place, or if someone
I have interviewed requests a change in a quote, I can just go to the
original document, make the change, and generate a brand new pdf from which
to burn future discs. If the typo was in a print book, it would last
forever, in all 10,000 copies, or whatever the run was.

I make sure, to the best of my knowledge, that everything I present in
writing is 100% correct. I like to be my own "vetting" committee, and I
would not like major changes to a work that I have toiled so hard to round
up all the facts to present the total picture.

Since the mid-1980s, I have been quilting. Moreover, I have collected every
quilt book I have ever come across. I don't need another pattern. In fact,
when I think about re-creating anyone else's work these days, I think again
and then put on my thinking cap to create a unique design of my own.

When one is a beginner, one emulates others. When one is advanced, he/she
has the skills and freedom to make a quilt of his/her own. So, for me, the
addition of quilt patterns and nauseating how-to instructions for quilting
in quilt books I might buy today are a waste of paper and a waste of my
time. If there was a pattern I truly felt I wanted to re-create, I'd draft
it myself.

To make this message a little longer, I just heard from another person who
has my new quilt care book that is greatly expanded. She loves the e-book
format and the left side bar that has thumbnail views of all the pages.

She loves being able to click on chapter headings to go directly to the
chapter, and she loves the word search function. She had read the print
version from 2005 and said that with all the additional photos, graphics and
content in the 2009 e-book, *Straight Talk About Quilt Care II*, it is the
difference of night and day, according to her.

Books, traditionally, were considered to be 100 pages or more. Many of the
"books" published today are so thin, they disappear on my bookshelfs, never
to see the light of day again. Without a "perfect binding" that carries a
title, they are simply lost.

There are lots of reasons to like traditional books, and many reasons why I
will never publish anything *but *e-books again. I can include all the
information I want without being worried about somebody's bottom line,
financially. I can be my own "print on demand" publisher, and I can have
control over my own work. For an independent Yankee, like me, those features
are a draw. In fact, now that I've seen Paradise, I'd never go back to the

Patricia Lynne Grace Cummings



Subject: The colors of blue and white and their association with Temperance
From: <>
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:49:14 -0800
X-Message-Number: 15

Laura Fisher asked:
About Temperance quilts, is it true that blue and whites of a certain era
represented affiliation with the Womens Christian Temperance Movement? Did they use certain pieced patterns, or are the indigos and whites from that era all
likely to be temperance related? What about the T quilts--did they relate to the
movement also? Any info would be, as always, most gratefully appreciated (and
filed for future ref)
I am also fascinated by this subject. With my years of researching quilts in newspapers, I have come upon many references to quiltmaking by the WCTU and quilts made to raise monies for the Temperance Movement. Unfortunately, patterns and colors of the quilts were never published.
Traditionally, there are patterns that have been associated with the Temperance Movement. The T block, Drunkard's Path, the Temperance Tree, and the Goblet patterns are all attributed to the Temperance movement. Although, in reality, I don't believe we have any real references historically connecting them.
Years ago, Dr. Sharon Strand of Black Hills State University wrote a paper that appeared on the web. The title was "Many a Drunkard Slept Under a Drunkard's Path Quilt." She identified the above patterns and maybe a few more as connected to the Temperance Movement. I printed out the paper years ago and have it somewhere. I also believe the Dr. Strand can still be contacted at the University.
I have the Temperance Tree blocks made in the indigo blue prints of the 1880s-90s. I also have T blocks made with those same kinds of prints with white. About a year ago, Cinda Cawley posed the same question about the blue and white color connection on this list.
I have a Signature T block quilt (not in blue and white) from the 1860s from Mt. Gilead, Ohio. Ohio was a hot bed for the Temperance Movement. Thirty years ago, when I first moved to New England, you could always find plenty of orphan T blocks. This is a true confession. Stupidly, I thought way back then that there must have been loads of people in New England with surnames that began the letter T. Dah! I bought the blocks anyway.
sue reich

Sue Reich
Washington Depot, Connecticut


Subject: Quilt History----expand the subject & the market
From: Gaye Ingram <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 1:08:23 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1

The subject of publication opportunities in quilt history has been much in my thoughts lately.

For me, discovering the Kentucky quilt project and the Kentucky book that grew out of it remains a visual, life-changing moment. I can date it: March 23, 1984. It was a birthday gift from my husband, a historian who had watched me pore over Kretsinger and Hall for untold hours, locate the Ikis and McKim books from Dover, and then read the pages off "The Quilters" by Cooper and Buferd and, of course, Rose Wilder Lane's book for Woman's Day and later the Better Homes & Gardens "American Heritage Quilts" or some such titles.

He knew not only my passion for quilts, but the particular direction that passion took: I wanted to see the quilts. He'd seen me go to some lengths to search out quilts. Unlike my timorous friend Ms. Stubbs of Denver, I've never ever thought twice about stopping at the house of a stranger to inquire about a quilt hanging on the clothesline or fence. I've met wonderful quilts and quilters that way).

But I also wanted to know about the women who made them and I wanted to know about what those quilts told about the lives and times in which their makers lived. Being "lit'rary," one of my favorite games has always been "reading quilts," using them as entrance points to their makers' minds. And "Kentucky Quilts: 1800-1900" offered what I loved in a way nothing else had ever done. I'd been accumulating some nice "how-to" books, though I was at a time in my life when starting another quilt was simply out of the question, and I'm glad I have them. But I cherished the the articles and materials that told stories of their makers as well, put them in a historical perspective. That Kentucky book was what I'd been looking for, not even knowing such existed. It opened a door to a new world for me.

That book gave me my entrance to women's history, a history I could believe. I'd been reading a lot of the "new" so-called women's history, but it all seemed to be about women who were either doing or wanting to do things that men did, who were dissatisfied with their lives as mothers and wives and grandmothers, found them lacking in opportunities for creativity. A lot of it was "contributory history," the history of women who had "contributed to" fields which men dominated. And a lot of it was a real stretch. That slim volume on Kentucky's Quilts put women in a context I recognized, and I learned lots from it---about Kentucky, women, history.

By the time Barbara B. published "Clues in the Calico" and the North Carolina, then the West Virginia books came out, I had determined that no matter what sweet incidental my children needed or what professional publications I needed, books like these were going to be on my shelves. The nourished the historian in me as well as the needleworker. And obviously a lot of other people were beginning to think the same thing. I wrote publishers--Ohio U Press comes to mind---and thanked them for publishing these books. I gave them for gifts to historians and American lit profs as well as kith and ken.

Rather than despair of the publishing world and quilt books, I think we should be positive and
consider what is currently needed in quilt scholarship, what questions need answers. It is clear the good state books can find publishers, even if they are seen as coffee-table books by marketers. Fine. Most ARE good coffee table books. Georgia and Mississippi university publishers supported those state's projects, and the Alabama book will be out next year. Ohio U is committed to its state quilt and needlecraft documentations and to increasingly narrowed studies of them. Their experience can be used to persuade others. If a real desire arises, some publisher will meet it. We need to warm the flames of that desire.

The Quilt Index is expanding the boundaries of information in a way one could not have imagined in 1984. Many states (LA is one) have their documentations on state Internet sites as well and conduct teacher training for the way those sites can be used in schools. Those are seeds that can be nurtured.

Maybe we need not only to document quilts today, but also to spend more time using them to interpret women's lives and times. More history, maybe. Historians get all excited when someone locates and demonstrates the value of another research tool, such as church records or land records, that show women being women in the antebellum period. Many times quilts tell as much.

I think of Nancy Burdick's fine "Legacy: the Story of Talula Gilbert Bottoms and her Quilts." In my view that book is a masterful history. Nancy Burdick gives us a representative woman of the period, and in that woman's quilts we learn of the Civil War, the power relationship in the home between men and women and the way it gradually evolves, the ways women taught one another how to eke out precious minutes for the creation of beauty, women's conscious concern for legacy and their use of quilts to establish the meanings of their own lives and their legacies, to keep alive a famiy's values.(I bet Talula would be proud, but not surprised at Nancy's efforts). Serious, hard research went into that book, and someday historians of women are going to discover its value. But Nancy didn't write it sitting on her back porch one fine summer day. It took years and miles and miles and a remarkable tenacity to produce "Legacy." But "Legacy" is good history.

We need others like it. O'Bagy-Davis' wonderful "Dorinda Slade" reveals so much about the Celtic folks who crossed the South to Texas and who were so open to brand new ideas and challenges, both in religion and terrain. Yet Dorinda Slade played with the same basic patterns she had received from her parents' generation until the end of her long life, just as Talula Bottoms did. I yearn for more footnotes in that book, but I keep it and "Legacy" next to BBrackman and Milady Hall above my computer, in easy reach. Laurel Horton's "Mary Black's Quilts" is another book that studies the history, values, and dynamics of a family through its quilts and the values assigned them. There is room for more like that. We would understand our past more clearly than from secondary renderings of abstractionists.

And as one who has learned the minutae of the Ulster Scots' migration into the South and thence to the Old Southwest into Texas and New Mexico and Utah and the outstanding traits of that culture from tracing a quilt pattern, I know how much can be learned from such an approach, both about women and a culture.

There are many approaches and much history amenable to study through material history.

In fine, instead of lamenting the demise of printing, perhaps we should re-examine quilts and history, reassess what we need to knowabout them, and devote ourselves to the long and sometimes tedious job of answering our day's questions.

Who among us can imagine living without "Clues in the Calico" or "America's Printed Fabrics 1770-1890"? But I suspect people were not racing Barbara to press with similar books in that reasonable price range. She felt a need and then went about fulfilling it. Not having a textile studies background myself, I cannot imagine the work she had to do to produce that first book. I've always thought that being a Kansan, she had one advantage----she came from a world of women who had published books about quilts. The tradition of quiltmaking had not died out there as it seems to have died out in parts of he east, and she had a positive tradition.

But surely, too, she had something that she felt so important that she had to say it. Scott Fitzgerald once said, "You don't write because you've got something to say. You write because you've got to say something." If we strive to meet a need---either an intellectual or informational one or one that is felt among people who collect and study quilts from the past---surely ways will open.

But any area of study must continue to refresh itself with new ideas, new perspectives.

I think we should take a cue from Mark Twain, who had to remind the world that he was alive and pretty well.

Gaye Ingram


Subject: Study groups and museums
From: "Catherine Litwinow" <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:43:01 -0600

Dear QHL,
A thank you to Judy for sharing her wonderful days assisting her local
Historical Society by having the study group meet there. I know the
support to any non-profit is more than just a helping hand.

I am so proud of the Iowa/Illinois Quilt Study Group for all they have
done to bring quilt history to Iowa/Illinois/Midwest. The attendees are
so very important since they bring their quilts and stories the first
Saturdays of April (April 10th 2010 due to Easter) and August.

IIQSG became an auxiliary to the Kalona Quilt and Textile Museum at
the August 2003 meeting. Being an auxiliary has permitted us to be a
non-profit group that gives donors tax exemptions. We have purchased
acid free boxes and tissues. For one fund raiser, attendees purchased a
block in different sizes, did Redwork and then the blocks were put
together as a top. Since that time, we have purchased mannequins (one
delightfully named Cary Grant), and purchased a quilt.

August is the silent auction the money has helped us publish "Pieces
of Time: A Quilt and Textile History Magazine. For information about
subscribing contact Susan Mardock,<>.
If you would like to be published, articles and research about quilts
and textiles are accepted. Contact Marilyn Woodin,editor,<>
We are very proud of the this little publication. We are so fortunate
to have had Andi Reynolds be our editor before her new job as Senior
Editor with American Quilter's Society.

The $25 fee to attend covers lunch, tour of two museums, and admission
to the Kalona Historical Village. There is no charge to shop quilt and
antique shops in the largest Amish community west of the Mississippi
The best part is the the sharing the study quilts and networking with
other quilt historians. From the beginning, this group has influenced
quilt study in the Midwest drawing from MN, MO, WI, CO, and other
states. Marilyn Woodin is the volunteer curator and hangs 6-8 quilt
shows every year in the "English" and "Amish" galleries. Each and every
show is like walking into a cathedral.

It has been a joy and pleasure to be a part of the IIQSG. The April
10, 2010, study topic is Depression Era Quilts. Sandy Schweitzer will
begin the study with her "Feedsack" trunk show.

Catherine Litwinow
Here in Bettendorf with a snow day.


Subject: Re: unknown quilt pattern- need help
From: "Rose Marie Werner" <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:33:52 -0600
X-Message-Number: 3

Judy, and everyone,
Susan is right. It is called Autumn Bouquet. It is a kit from Home
Needlecraft Creations #7370. It was available in the 1940s and 50s.
Rosie Werner

Subject: IIQSG
From: "Catherine Litwinow" <>

Good morning,
Quilters love snow days.
I need to make a correction on the post about IA/IL Quilt Study Group.
Our "Pieces of Time" is self supporting. The August silent auction money
goes into a speakers fund. Thank you. Catherine


Subject: History in Novels
From: <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:31:07 -0600
X-Message-Number: 5

Patricia Cummings wrote: Case in point. This is why I don't read novels. I
don't want my mind polluted.

Stephanie Whitson says. . . . Ouch.
Some novels are very well researched. Some of mine, for example, are
recommended reading in history classes taught by teachers-of-the-year.
At Wesleyan University here in Nebraska, one of the optional classes
for those of us going for our masters in history is about using Fiction to
teach history.

So. . . I respectfully disagree.

Stephanie Whitson (polluting minds since 1995)


Subject: Re: History in Novels
From: SoldierGrrrl <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:35:20 -0600
X-Message-Number: 6

> Patricia Cummings wrote: Case in point. This is why I don't read novels. I
> don't want my mind polluted.

Ow. Some of us find reading novels helps with the stress of our real
lives, and our minds are no more polluted then anyone else's.

I'm not sure if you realize exactly how judgemental and snide that
comment comes across, especiall to those of us who *do* read novels.

(Proud reader of novels since the age of four, when my dad taught me
to read out of James Mitchner's "Texas")
Blonde. It's not just a hair color; it's a way of life.


Subject: Fabric on eBoard
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:54:36 +0000
X-Message-Number: 7

I have just posted a picture to the eBoard of a piece of chintz fabric
incorporated in some English Paper Piecing which features a fussy-cut
bird. Its a bit of an odd-shaped owl, but owl I think it is.
Friends and I have been unable to track down a similar example and I
wonder if anyone here has seen anything like it?

Sally Ward


Subject: Owl on eboard
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:56:10 +0000
X-Message-Number: 8

Sorry, I should have said it is 'Owl' under 'Fabrics' tab.

Sally Ward


Subject: Re: A journalist in need for a project on the oral history of sewing circles
From: Sue Wildemuth <>

Meribah,There is an Alton, Illinois Quilt Group that I think you woul
d be very interested in talking to. Here is some information on th
em on Kyra HicksBlack Threadsblog:http://blackthreads.blogspot.
com/2008/12/busy-fingers-quilt-club-60th.html I do not have the infor
mation to tell you how to contact the group, but Kyra Hicks probably would.
I consider Kyraone ofTHE experts on African American quilting.
You kind find Kyra's contact information through her blog, but if you don't
find it let me know and I will e-mail you her e-mail address privately.
If you are interested in Amish quilt/quilting sewing circleinformatio
n you might try Marilyn Woodin from Kalona, Iowa who isa library of info
rmation on Amishquilts and might be able to share information about sewi
ng circles in that area. I will forwardMarilyn's or Kyra'se-mail a
ddress to youif you e-mail me off-listHope this helps



Subject: Re: History in Novels
From: Jan Thomas <>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:44:04 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10

And Stephanie, I respectfully agree with you. Pollute away!

Circumstances in the last several years have taken the time I would have
spent curled up with kitty and a good fact-based historical fiction and
I miss
that. It is nice to 'get away' every once in a while.

So. . . I respectfully disagree.

Stephanie Whitson (polluting minds since 1995)


Subject: Re: unknown quilt pattern- need help
From: Judy Schwender <>

Thank you to Shirley Mc for letting me know that "the quilt kit was made by
Homeneedlecraft Creations; it is #7370, 'Autumn Bouquet.' One of the prett
iest kit quilts ever!"Judy Schwender


Subject: RE: Fabric on eBoard
From: "Janet O'Dell" <>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:27:29 +1100
X-Message-Number: 12

I cannot help you with the fabric source but please tell us something more
about the piece. The fabrics used appear to be from the early 1800s. Is it
from a quilt?
Janet O'Dell


Subject: e-books
From: Jan Thomas <>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:40:25 -0700
X-Message-Number: 13

Trying to catch up so please excuse if this has been discussed. Someone
mentioned that
C & T was flirting with e-books. I was at their site a few months ago
and saw "Clues In
The Calico" available for download at the very reasonable and fully
searchable price of $20.
I just checked and more books have been added.



Subject: RE: Fabric on eBoard
From: Sally Ward <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:08:57 +0000
X-Message-Number: 14

Sadly there is little to tell. What you see is what I've seen. A
friend went to a house to look at something else altogether and was
also shown this. She knew I would be interested, and also as it was
out of her field wanted help with fabrics and dating. I think it is a
wonderful thing, but it is not a full quilt, just something which may
have been a purpose made strip for another purpose, or (my feeling) a
quilt which was cut up and re-used. Sadly it is a long way from me,
and it was not comprehensively photographed. I'm working on that <G>.

But I'd dearly love to track down that bird...

Sally Ward


Subject: question about quilt documentation projects
From: "Candace Perry" <>
Forgive me if this is information that is out there somewhere else.I was
looking for an easy way out! When and where was the first quilt
documentation project? Was it this project that spurred other organizations
to do like projects (that may be a stupid question, I apologize!)

Candace Perry


Subject: RE: question about quilt documentation projects
From: "Kim Baird" <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:05:32 -0600
X-Message-Number: 16

Kentucky was the first.


Subject: Re: question about quilt documentation projects
From: Jan Thomas <>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:01:15 -0700
X-Message-Number: 17

I was just thinking about the documentation programs yesterday. Would it be
unreasonable to think that the information from the various repositories
become part of the Quilt Index someday?



Subject: Re: History in Novels
From: Barb Garrett <>
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:20:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 18

A person that I know says one must be careful about "painting with too
wide a brush." That seems to me to be the case here. Yes, there are
fiction writers who don't care about the truthfulness of the history of
their stories, as long as they sell. And there are others (like
Stephanie -- I've enjoyed all her books) who are very thorough in their
research and careful about the accuracy of the historical part of their
Historical Fiction books.

To classify all fiction as mind polluting is using that too wide brush,
in my opinion. It would be equally wrong to say all historical fiction
shares historical truths. Unfortunately, one must learn which authors
do their research, or one can just read the books for escape, and not to
learn history.

Barb in southeastern PA


Subject: The Kentucky Quilt Project was the first of the state documentation

Hello all,
In 1981 I co- founded the first project to survey the state's 19th c doc
umented quilts and to create both a catalogue and a traveling exhibition.
If you go to you can read several articles about the
origin and development of the state documentation projects. Ky's project
became an inspiration and a model for the many projects that followed.

For those of you who followed my posting this past summer about the omissi
on of the state quilt projects from the IQSC Explorer Timeline, this query
is a prime example of how the omission of this information can affect the
ease of getting such information from a major quilt center where one
might go first to look. .We were told at the time that IQSC would make th
is addition when funds and time were available..We are waiting.It is impor


Shelly Zegart


Subject: Re: History in Novels
From: Patricia Cummings <>

I used to enjoy novels. I would not enjoy reading a novel about the UGRR and
quilt blocks used as signal devices. In fact, it would be torture. Yes, I
should not categorically condemn novels. After all, my son almost has his
Ph.D. in English and I am sure he enjoys them. As we age, we change. My
change in reading habits is that I prefer to read only factual material.
Each to his own. If only the sweetest sounding birds sang in the forest, the
forest would be a silent place ... as they say.



Subject: Re: History in Novels
From: Patricia Cummings <>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:05:06 -0500
X-Message-Number: 21

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Obviously, I was not referring to Stephanie's novels. I didn't even know she
had written any. I am sure it is possible for someone to become a masterful
story teller and include historical information.

Speaking for myself only, I will reiterate that I prefer to read History
(and even some of that reporting is suspect). I don't have room in my brain
to clutter it with written information that is not true.

That said, I enjoy PBS shows like "Keeping Up Appearances," the Jane Austen
series, and I even enjoy sitting down to watch one soap opera that I've
followed for more years than I can count, when I have the time.

We all find our creative outlets in our own way, and let's face it, most of
us on this list are creative people who are thinkers and doers.

I did read an historical novel, come to think of it, last summer, and
enjoyed it. The book is not due to be available until January and its
geographical setting is Gees Bend. Stay tuned for a formal review at the
appropriate time.

Season's Greetings to all and to all a good night!

Patricia Cummings

To classify all fiction as mind polluting is using that too wide brush, in
> my opinion. It would be equally wrong to say all historical fiction shares
> historical truths. Unfortunately, one must learn which authors do their
> research, or one can just read the books for escape, and not to learn
> history.
> Barb in southeastern PA

Patricia Lynne Grace Cummings