Subject: Another Good One.
From: "Leah Zieber" <leah.zieberverizon.net>

Another great issue of Early American Life - nice article on Indigo ---
great listing of top craftsmen.

A good read.

Leah Zieber
Temecula CA

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Subject: Nazi Quilt
From: Jan Thomas <textiqueaol.com>


Well, finally, but it isn't much.

"I am very sorry about the long delay in getting back to you regarding
lot 402, the German quilt, which is coming up in tomorrow's World at War
Auction. I was going to get back to you from work today, but we had an
awful storm here in southern Ohio, and the power at Cowan's has gone
out. Thus, I am working from home.

The center of the quilt is machine appliqued, but the rest is
machine-pieced. The quilting has been done by hand, though. The swastika
in the center of the quilt has been printed on the fabric. The quilt is
backed with gray, and this gray is brought around to the front as
binding. That is why you see a thin gray border around the front of the
quilt.

Unfortunately, there is no additional provenance on the quilt. I showed
it to our textile specialist, and she said that it appears to be from
the first half of the twentieth century, so it is most likely a World
War II-era quilt.

If you have any additional questions about the quilt, please let us
know. Our electricity is expected to be out until around 4 today, and if
you call Cowan's after 4, someone should be there to assist you."

Jan


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Subject: Re: Nazi Quilt
From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com>


I wondered what happened with that quilt! Could it have been a flag someone brought home that was later quilted? (WHY for heavens sake?)

Kris

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Subject: Re: Nazi Quilt
From: Jan Thomas <textiqueaol.com>


It sold for more than expected. If I remember correctly, Cowan's
textile consultant is Elyse Ronsheim.

http://www.cowanauctions.com/past_sales_view_item.asp?ItemId82719

Jan


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Subject: swastika quilt
From: DDBSTUFFaol.com

FYI: The quilt brought $575.00 and had lots of stains and was very ugly to
boot


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Subject: Re: swastika quilt
From: Jan Thomas <textiqueaol.com>

Yes, to all of the above, but history is history and we can't change the
bad parts by ignoring them. We
have to be able to face it, study it and hopefully learn from it or we
we're doomed to repeat it. A cliche,
I know, but its true.

jt

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Subject: Quilt History on Lopez Island
From: Karen Alexander <karenquiltrockisland.com>
Hello QHL members,

Just gotta share a little of Lopez Island with you because it made the
Seattle news today.
http://www.king5.com/new-day-northwest/Lopez-Island-Celebrates-Rich-History-96892034.html

To make this more quilt-related, here is an article that I was recently
asked to write for the local newspaper about the history of the quilt group
that began on the island in the early 1980s. (I am in the process of
documenting the island's quilt history prior to 1980 as well.)

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/sanjuans/isw/lifestyle/91124619.html

Three of us are now planning a Signature Quilt to document the present
citizens of the Lopez Island community. The quilt is to be a fund raiser for
the historical society. There at least five Signature quilts already in our
small but wonderful museum http://www.rockisland.com/~lopezmuseum/. It is
pure pleasure serving the community through this organization. It is such a
can-do, hands-on, let's-get-the-job-done group of people.

Come visit the islands some day and I'll show you the quilts in the museum!
Lopez is the first ferry stop out of Anacortes! Just a mere 40 minute
beautiful ride!

Karen in the Islands

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Subject: Joe Cunningham
From: "Carol Berry" <cberryelite.net>

Joe Cunningham spoke at the Gateway Quilters Guild meeting in May and it was
such an enjoyable evening. He entertained us, made us laugh, and had great
stories to go with the quilts he brought to share. What most of us took
away from the evening, besides much laughter, was Joe's great Make Do
approach. Thanks, Joe!

Carol Berry
Merced, CA (Gateway to Yosemite)



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Subject: Re: swastika quilt
From: Gaye Ingram <gingramsuddenlink.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:25:26 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3

I apologize in advance if this appears twice: Suddenlink is on one of its customary "blinks" here.

Jan, my question falls within lines of historical inquiry, but there is an art
component as well.

First, it would be interesting to know who bought the quilt. Not the name of the
person, but his or her motivations. Someone who wants to burn it? A collector of Nazi/WWII/political memorabilia? An art historian or mythologist researching the use of the swastika in 20th century? A neo-Nazi? A museum keeper? Many possibilities exist. But that motivation becomes part of the quilt's history. The things we save tell almost as much about us as the things we create.

Second, that quilt is more than just generally ugly. It is dark, terrible. The very size and blackness of the swastika against a seemingly conventional(?) ground, the way it dominates all else and the clumsy way the running foot symbol, squared off so it loses all grace and movement, becomes a static and ominous sort of "Dead End" sign---this quilt is a special kind of ugly. The maker would have had to confront these qualities for the extended period it took to construct the piece. I would like to believe that most women simply would not undertake such a
project---even for love. But I know that is a dangerous leap of faith.

Did you get any sense at all of where it might have been made? found? procured? Any notion of the buyer's motivations?

The only quilt I've seen that strikes me so forcibly as frightening is that quilt with all the black serpents on it we discussed on this forum several years ago (Why do I think it is from WV?).

Still curious,
Gaye

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Subject: Swastika Quilt
From: Marsha MacDowell <macdowelmsu.edu>

Just wanted to let you know that it was the Michigan State University
Museum that acquired the swastika quilt. We plan to use this quilt,
just as we use the historical KKK quilt owned by the MSU Museum, to
help show the sometimes darker side of quiltmaking and to increase
public awareness of the existence of hate groups in society. We also
will use this quilt to demonstrate how objects (and specifically
quilts) are evidence of aspects of history that should not be hidden
and with this evidence we can help cultivate critical thinking and
perhaps activism for more civil and tolerant society.

Marsha MacDowell
Michigan State University Museum


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Subject: Re: Swastika Quilt
From: Gaye Ingram <gingramsuddenlink.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:35:07 -0500
X-Message-Number: 5

Marsha,

Glad to know the purchaser was a museum.

Do you believe the piece to be American in origin?

I agree this quilt has a real place in a museum. Glad you folks have it. Just wish more was known of its history. Having spent some time examining quilts that have typically been treated as "political" in purpose/motivation, I know how important provenance is in evaluating whether quilt is political or not. Sometimes, it is absolutely essential, I believe.

Hate to drive this subject into the ground, but has the museum in its collection or anyone on list know of quilts that came out of any of the radical left movements, especially in the sixties-early seventies? Other than WPA quilts and that singular commentary quilt "Just Around the Corner," were there other notable politically driven quilts from Depression era?

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Subject: Re: Swastika Quilt
From: Kittencat3aol.com

That's very good news. Will you be presenting on it at some point?

Lisa Evans


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Subject: Swastika Quilt
From: Jan Thomas <textiqueaol.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:45:42 -0600
X-Message-Number: 1

Marsha, great news. What a wonderful way to turn such a negative image
into a powerful and positive teaching tool. Jan

Just wanted to let you know that it was the Michigan State University
Museum that acquired the swastika quilt.



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Subject: RE: Swastika Quilt
From: "Candace Perry" <candaceschwenkfelder.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:31:17 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2

Hi Marsha -- For me this begs the question, did the museum feel this was a
deliberate use of the flag to signify someone's political leanings? I know
that Gaye -- and possibly others may disagree (I think there was an earlier
discussion about the whys and wherefores)-- but I still believe that the use
of the Nazi flag was some sort of adaptive reuse by some wife or mother of a
vet who had a nice wartime souvenir (if you could call it that). My
impressions from dealing with war souvenirs is that the imagery seems to
hold far less of a sinister meaning -- it's just stuff you brought home from
your enforced grand tour of Europe. I know that may sound a tad flip. I'm
just curious about the point of view.
Candace Perry

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Subject: RE: Swastika Quilt
From: Gaye Ingram <gingramsuddenlink.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 11:28:10 -0500
X-Message-Number: 3

Candace wrote:
I know that Gaye -- and possibly others may disagree (I think there was an earlier
discussion about the whys and wherefores)-- but I still believe that the use
of the Nazi flag was some sort of adaptive reuse by some wife or mother of a
vet who had a nice wartime souvenir (if you could call it that).
------------

Candace, I have no notions at all about the construction of this quilt except that it would have taken a certain kind of person to have lived through its construction. That's why I was so curious about its provenance.

I've seen some bizarre souvenirs from war, most of them displayed in museums. All sorts of people go to war, and the experience of war coarsens everyone engaged in it. Most I've known---and I was close to a local oral history project that recorded interviews with veterans of WWII and so encountered a fair number---have not wanted to talk about their experiences, let alone be reminded of them at bedtime each night.

Yet I also know we sometimes do strange things and misguided things in the name of love, and this quilt might have been one of them. I've seen a so-called cover woven of the florist ribbons from funeral flowers, though I confess the maker was a person of marginal social sensitivity and intelligence.

I just think it would take a person with limited sensitivity to work on an object like this quilt long enough to bring it to completion. Even if the swastika had acquired no cultural associations in the 1930s and 1940s, its use in this piece is so dark and forbidding that I think the prospect would be forbidding.

That is why I would like to know more about this quilt. Without much more evidence, I don't think one can automatically conclude it was made to honor the Third Reich or the principles it made famous. I would need more than the object alone to declare its motivation "political" or anything else.

Gaye


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Subject: RE: Swastika Quilt
From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 10:00:55 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 4

Gaye,

I wondered that myself - could the maker have been so clueless as to not realize the significance of the flag/emblem? Or perhaps this was a captured flag, one that brought great honor to the person who had dragged it off the flagpole. I suppose, in that case, a quilt made out of the valued object might make sense.

Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. If seeing that quilt brought back a good memory, perhaps it had a place in the household.

I am really stretching here.

Kris



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Subject: The things we save tell almost as much about us as the things
we create.
From: mopalka <mopalkaalaska.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:26:32 -0800
X-Message-Number: 5

"The things we save tell almost as much about us as the things we
create" Gayle and all, this could be quite an interesting jumping
off point for a paper, project, self reflection... Wow, the
possibilities are endless.

Just my two cents worth.

Susan(in Alaska with 55 degrees and overcast skies, a good quilting day)



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Subject: RE: Swastika Quilt
From: "Candace Perry" <candaceschwenkfelder.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:38:55 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6

I think we are sort of on the same page then...I absolutely get what you are
saying here. I may not be articulating what I think very well, which is not
at all unusual!
We have a photo here of Nuremburg from a tour that group took to Germany in
1934. The lovely old street that was photographed had a very prominent
Third Reich flag flying over it. I frequently wonder if the photo was taken
because of the interesting flag (which was of course not yet associated with
the horrors that were to come) or because it was a pretty city street.
I'm just wondering when that symbol became so laden with terror; was it
during the war, or post-war, when it became associated with the atrocities
that were brought to the fore, for example, with the liberation of the
camps?
I dunno. It's an interesting topic of conversation and I don't know if
there is any clear-cut answeer. I should have asked the members of the
generation greatest I was close to before we lost them.
And I agree about the vets -- some will talk with little prompting (my
longshoreman knows one of the fellows who was of the famous "Band of
Brothers") and others simply cannot.
Like I need another random topic to think about,
Candace Perry
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Subject: "political" quilts and the swastika quilt
From: Gaye Ingram <gingramsuddenlink.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 13:38:18 -0500
X-Message-Number: 7

First, re swastika's unpopularity in West: evidently post WW II.

It is an ancient symbol that I think most historians of language and symbol
ogy trace to ancient India, where it is still an important design element.
One possibility is that it found its way to the Middle East and Europe with
the return of Alexander's army. In any case, it is still popular in the ar
eas that were part of the old Persian empire (Iran, e.g.). Found everywhere
in Greek design. The Teutonic tribes of northern Europe used it and took i
t with them to places like England (e.g., Angles and Saxons). This use (sym
bolizing purity and superiority) seems to have earned it a place in the Naz
i Socialist party, which used German folk history and mythology to support
its blame of Jewish Germans for Germany's humiliation after WW I. Wagner ha
d used this mythology in his Ring operas (see Wagner and Nietzhe on the "su
perman/super race") so the meaning was accrued. Yet American socialists had
used it pre-1900. For a quick overview, see http://rexcurry.net/swastika-h
akenkreuz.html. Coca-Cola used it at one time (see pic in rexcurry.net), so
that pretty well suggests it was not regarded as offensive until later.

Re the swastika quilt: my concern was that we not assign ANY political moti
vation to it without solid evidence of that motivation.

If it can be assigned a date, that might help a little. Yet even then, more
specific evidence is needed.

Gaye


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Subject: Cornell Univ quilt lecture this Sunday
From: Laura Fisher <laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>

For any of you who might be in the Ithaca area, as Cinda mentioned I will b
e lectured on "The Modern Art of Antique Quilts" at the herbert Johnson Art
Museum on the Cornell campus. This is part of a quilt day with all sorts o
f eventsA0being held in conjunction with an exhibition ofA0one collector'
sA0graphic quilts.
A0
My presentation is at 4:00A0onA0Sunday, free! If anyone from the list att
ends, please come say hello so I can put a face to a name I might have read
on qhl.
A0
LauraA0

Laura Fisher at
FISHER HERITAGE
305 East 61st Street,5th floor
New York, NY 10065
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Subject: Quilting Pattern Question
From: JLHfwaol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:28:36 EDT

On a recent tour of the V&A Quilt exhibit, followed by quilt viewing at a
number of other museums, I was struck with the numerous, complex hexagon
quilts. Most were really tops and unquilted. Yet there were completed
quilted tops. In my concentration on examining the 19th century fabrics, I
failed to notice what sort of quilting patterns were used. So my question....
what was the commonly used quilting pattern or patterns for 19th century
hexagon quilts? Silly me. I should have been paying more attention. Janet
H in Fort Worth

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Subject: Re: Quilting Pattern Question
From: Sally Ward <sallytattersfastmail.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:11:23 +0100
X-Message-Number: 2

Hi Janet

It wasn't that you weren't paying attention <G>, you weren't seeing
quilting because most likely it wasn't there. Or if it was it was not
what the maker intended you to focus on. These were generally coverlets
rather than quilts. The piecing over papers method often left a large
amount of fabric folded on the back - not the narrow trimmed seams we
are used to. This added weight, bulk and warmth to the top, but made
for a very quilting-unfriendly thickness. In other cases, the papers
may well have been left in. Another disincentive to quilt.

Some cotton hexagons may have been quilted to their backing, but usually
with fairly utilititarian designs of cross-hatching or chevrons. The
silks, velvets, brocades, ribbons etc. would often have no quilting at
all.

I wouldn't claim to be authoritative, thinking about it, where I have
seen hexagons with the shape of each patch outlined with quilting it has
been on 20th century cotton quilts, or American quilts.

Sally Ward/Tatters



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Subject: American flag
From: Laura Fisher <laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>

Hi all - sorry for my mis-typings-- i have been lectured at a lot in my life, but this Sunday at Cornell I will be lecturing -- actually, just talking
about quilt graphics 'borrowed' by contemporary artists and what IA0regard asA0the modern art of antique quilts.
A0
In that vein, let's talk about the American flag instead of the Nazi flag. Here's a poser:A0 I see flag quilts, literally, the entire quilt pieced as
a flag, going back to the Civil War era, and also quilts pieced incorporating a real flag.
A0
It has always struck me as odd that one wouldA0make that image into a bedcovering to sleep under, yet there are scores of flag quilts known. How come
?A0 At one time wasn't it NOT OK to use the American flag on clothing, etc. could you get arrested, or was that just during the Vietnam War era?A0

I would appreciate it if you historians out there might share a little short history of the use of the flag image for purposes other than a flag.
A0
OK,A0here's my two cents on the Nazi quilt -- is it possible the quilt is a make-do, the flagA0offering a lot of fabric that could easily be turned
into a bed cover, and that's that? No political motivation, just practicality and frugalness.
A0
Thanks
A0
Laura
A0
.
A0
Laura Fisher at
FISHER HERITAGE
305 East 61st Street,5th floor
New York, NY 10065

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Subject: Re: Quilting Pattern Question
From: pollymellocomcast.net

Janet,

C2A0 I saw a picture of an early English hexagon quiltC2A0 ( it has been a long time since I saw it and I forget what book that I saw itC2A0in).C2A0 It wasC2A0supposed to be a two piece set: a fancy pieced unbacked top with finished edges and a quilt made of large fabric rectangles that was quilted.
C2A0It makes sense. The fancy top was for decor only and was never meant to be slept under or sat on. It would be removed at night and you would usethe plain quilt for warmth. It could explain many of the elaborate unquilted pieced and appliqued "tops" with finished edges that we see here. Just athought.

Polly Mello

HOT in Elkridge, Maryland


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Subject: Re: Quilting Pattern Question
From: JLHfwaol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:25:21 EDT


Dear Sally,
It was such a pleasure meeting you. Thank you for your response to
my question. I simply cannot recall seeing any quilting on the hexagon
quilts that had a backing. I was wondering what sort of stitching held the
layers together. Regards, Janet Henderson

--part1_31fdd.534b21ce.395678c1_boundary--


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Subject: Re: Quilting Pattern Question
From: JLHfwaol.com
Dear Polly,
Thank you for your reply. It certainly makes sense. Look forward to
seeing you in Minniapolis. Janet H


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Subject: Term "fussy cut"
From: Debby Kratovil <kratovilhis.com>

 Vermont Quilt Festival. Conversation w/ Nancy Halpern who asked me
where the term "fussy cut" came from. Technique used in historic
quilts but term sounds modern. Any answers?

Sent from my iPod
Debby (with a "y" and not "ie") Kratovil


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Subject: Re: Term "fussy cut"
From: Mitzioakesaol.com

In a message dated 6/25/2010 7:36:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kratovilhis.com writes:

 Vermont Quilt Festival. Conversation w/ Nancy Halpern who asked me
where the term "fussy cut" came from. Technique used in historic
quilts but term sounds modern. Any answers?

Sent from my iPod
Debby (with a "y" and not "ie") Kratovil

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Subject: Re: Term "fussy cut"
From: Mitzioakesaol.com


Can't help with the fussy cut, but spent the day at VQF and Nancy's quilts
- quite a wonderful display. Maybe I will do some investigating tonight
to see if I can find out fussy cut. Did hear today that in lieu of 'show
and tell' one guild uses 'bring and brag'...lots of fun
Will be onsite all day tomorrow and Sunday
Hope you enjoy the show.
Mitzi Oakes


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Subject: Swastika quilts and the Nazi Flag Quilt
From: <suereichcharter.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 17:22:15 -0700
X-Message-Number: 10

Regarding the Swastika design:
I debated with myself for months about including this symbol in "World War II Quilts" just released by Schiffer Publishing, Ltd. I have a chapter in the book that deals with the symbols of the war years. Ultimately, I decided TO include a quilt with the swastika design because it is an important artifact of the material culture of the WWII years. Plus, I found a very interesting news article addressing reaction to a Swastika quilt during the war years.
Prior to WWII, many quilting guilds named themselves the Swastika Quilt Clubs. After WWII, this symbol was banned in Germany, and was rarely seen in public anywhere. If you check the York County documentation book, you will find a Swastika Quilt that continued to be used by enclosing it in a duvet cover.
Regarding the Nazi Flag quilt, I was ambivalent about adding it to my WWII quilt collection. I already have the "Russian Army" quilt. I feel a great need to protect this quilt from what I am not sure. Items from the Holocaust are very sought-after and are often counterfeited.
After researching the quilts of WWII for the past six years, I would guess the Nazi quilt was made prior to the war with the uprising of the Nazi Regime. The quilt is heavily soiled. The "Russian Army" quilt was also soiled with black, oily grime before I had to launder it.
Despite the disdain we all feel for these kinds of symbols, made into quilts, they must be viewed in a neutral way and respected for their historic context.
--
Sue Reich
Washington Depot, Connecticut
www.suereichquilts.com
http://coveringquilthistory.shutterfly.com/
http://www.majorreichaward.com/


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Subject: Fussy Cut and Swastikas
From: Gaye Ingram <gingramsuddenlink.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 22:30:31 -0500
X-Message-Number: 11

I've always assumed "fussy" in "fussy cut" was an adverb----i.e., cut in a fussy manner; cut with fuss or extraordinary care. If one said, "Oh, don't make a fuss over me," she meant "Don't go to any extra effort because of me." Adjective use: She is fussy about the way she cleans her house>means that she does it in a particular, painstaking manner. When one fussy-cuts, she usually tries to cut in order to include some design element in a particular portion of the piece. I think of the Flower Gardens and star designs immediately.

Back to swastikas (pardon me): Have you ever laid eyes on the quilt in question? Just curious. That it ante-dates WW II makes sense to me. I don't think anyone objects to such pieces being collected by museums or individuals.I certainly did not mean to imply that in my response. But if the beloved Queen Mary had used that particular version of fly-foot or swastika as her personal emblem, I would still find that quilt disconcerting and forbidding. In other words, sans the historical linkages, I think it still has a dark, sinister quality.

I also find it weird actually sleeping under or using on a bed any quilt made from a flag. I would have to believe such a use would have been a serious breach of flag etiquette, back when we had and knew flag etiquette. The subject was taken seriously as a subject matter in lower elementary schools here well into the 50's. In Girl Scouts, we were taught that when a flag was no longer usable, it should be destroyed or buried. The idea was to preclude incidental uses that trivialized the flag. Symbols used carelessly lose their power. That might be the source of my aversion. In any case, it does seem a desecration to me. To construct a quilt modeled on the flag is something entirely different.

Possibly because American History curricula give it short shrift, we in America tend to forget the mood of post-WWI. Many middle-class young people as well as some not-so-young workers were drawn to both the major totalitarian ideologies of the 20th century post-WWI, Soviet communism and Nazi socialism. WWI was deeply disillusioning. The long Victorian peace had led to a kind of unrealistic, sunny optimism that there would be no more wars. Then came that terrible war with its trench warfare, gases that left men sick for life if they survived it, and the general inhumanity of a war when the means to maim had increased markedly while medicine had not kept pace. For the British it was shattering psychologically and in many ways had the effect
of a civil war (Victoria's daughters had married into the best European royal lines). T.S. Eliot's "Wasteland" is only the most famous literary work
to show the gloom that war produced. Then came the Great Depression and job lessness and the failure of the banking systems. In chaos, any well-defined plan is attractive. So I don't find it unusual that someone would have made a quilt honoring either communism or socialism. People like Lindberg and Ezra Pound were taken in.

But do we even know the particular quilt that is now owned by University of Michigan was an American quilt? That it was located in America does not necessarily mean it was made in U.S.

Gaye


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Subject: American flag as quilt
From: "Judy Grow" <judy.growcomcast.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:05:46 -0400
X-Message-Number: 12

My first thought about sleeping under a quilt with the colors and layout of
an American flag would be one of security. This flag , possibly above all
others, carries with it the promise of protection. Perhaps immigrants,
first generation here, might have felt gratitude for the protection the flag
symbolized. Not knowing flag etiquette ......

Or, perhaps Mom worked in a flag factory and was able to bring cut-offs
home. I think I recall that the Schwenkfelder (Candace?) has such a quilt.

The great majority of Quilts of Valor are in red/white/blue, and probably in
the same proportions as in the flag. Even without sewing the actual flag
design, just using those colors together evokes the same emotion as does the
Stars and Stripes, of great patriotism.
For Americans those colors used together has very strong mojo!

Judy Grow

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Subject: Re: American Flag Quilt
From: kyra hicks <kyra262yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:54:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 1

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Laura Fisher <laurafisherquiltsyahoo.com>

Laura,

Good Morning - I am not aware of specifics around American Flag quilts. I h
ave made two quilts featuring an American Flag quilt.A0 Here are the links
:

Patriotic Quilt (Museum Arts and Design collection)
http://tinyurl.com/PatrioticQuilt

I Count Quilt
http://tinyurl.com/ICountQuilt

Best,A0 Kyra Hicks
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Subject: Flag etiquette and quiltmaking
From: <suereichcharter.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 4:20:55 -0700
X-Message-Number: 2

I believe when you read official American Flag Etiquette below you will conclude that including an American Flag in quiltmaking is probably not correct. I am not the Flag police and I have grappled with flag usage in my own quiltmaking over the years. There was a Civil War era quilt on display at AQSG Seminar a few years ago with writing on it. The inscriptions were the names of Civil War soldiers. This was clearly a violation of Flag etiquette but we all were touched by the poignancy of this quilt.
I recently acquired a WWII Flag quilt. The real 48 Star quilt was bordered with a cut-up Army-Navy "E" Award Banner. The banner was presented to defense manufactories during the War for excellence of production. The quilt is a very unique artifact of the War years.

Read Flag etiquette for yourselves. I believe it probably is a violation of etiquette to use an American flag in quiltmaking. Also, you may be surprised about the last sentence regarding the destruction of the flag. I have a collection of antique flags that I have to keep hidden from my husband who believes flags should be burned when they are outdated. This is proper Flag etiquette and may explain why we have so few antique flags left.

http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html
Flag Etiquette
STANDARDS of RESPECT
The Flag Code, which formalizes and unifies the traditional ways in which we give respect to the flag, also contains specific instructions on how the flag is not to be used. They are:

The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing. It is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard
The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, fireman, policeman and members of patriotic organizations.
The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.

The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.

When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of our country, it should be destroyed by burning in a dignified manner.

--
Sue Reich
Washington Depot, Connecticut
www.suereichquilts.com
http://coveringquilthistory.shutterfly.com/
http://www.majorreichaward.com/


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Subject: Re: Fussy cut
From: "Brenda Groelz" <brendahandiquilter.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 12:28:44 +0000
X-Message-Number: 3

The first time I ever heard the term "fussy cut" was by Eleanor Burns during her Quilt-in-a-Day televsion program and saw it used in the companion book. I don't know if she made it up or if she was using a term she'd heard others use before. In my mind, I've always attributed it to her.

Brenda Groelz
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile


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Subject: Re: American flag as quilt
From: "Marcia's Mail" <marciarkearthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:06:08 -0500
X-Message-Number: 4

In Austin, there is a woman who made a quilt out of the 2 flags that were
presented to her after the deaths of her husband and father (they were
veterans). It was displayed in 2003 at the Texas Mmorial Museum during a
quilt exhibit there. Marcia Kaylakie, Austin



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Subject: Re: Fussy cut
From: "deb" <debquiltingposs.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:28:11 -0400
X-Message-Number: 5

Yes! That's where I first remember hearing it too, from Eleanor Burns.

Debbie
Quilting Possibilities
Forked River, NJ


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Subject: RE: American flag as quilt
From: "Candace Perry" <candaceschwenkfelder.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:37:59 -0400
X-Message-Number: 6

We do have a wonderful quilt of flag remnants!
Candace Perry
Schwenkfelder Library & Heritage Center
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Subject: Fussy Cut
From: sgmunseycomcast.net



Debby:C2A0 I don't know who originated the term "fussy cut", but the firs
t person that I recall using it was Eleanor Burns in her early TV programs.




Sandra from Cape Cod
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Subject: flag etiquette
From: Gaye Ingram <gingramsuddenlink.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 11:07:12 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

In an earlier post, I used the term "etiquette" to refer to the code of con
duct expected toward the national flag.

Perhaps I should have been clearer and simply located the legal code---for
it is codified legally: United States Code. Title 4, Chapter 1 pertains to
the flag; Title 18, Chapter 33, Section 700 regards criminal penalties for
flag desecration; Title 36, Chapter 3 pertains to patriotic customs and obs
ervances. These laws were supplemented by Executive Orders and Presidential
Proclamations.

You can find a copy of the rules set forward in the above on the Betsey Ros
s homepage. See
www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm.

In other words, unlike social etiquette, the manner in which we treat the n
ational flag is not a matter of popular custom, but of civil code.

To say that one might feel comforted by the flag as an object of warmth in
the home or that someone here or there used a flag in a quilt begs the ques
tion of whether such usage is acceptable.

Sometime in the sixties, I think we as a people lost hold of the distinctio
n between public and private, a distinction that makes possible positive pu
blic discourse and real communion in a democracy. The flag is a public, sha
red symbol of our integrity as a people. It represents all that binds us to
gether, the "unum" in "e pluribus unum." Like any symbol, its power dependsheavily on association and every time we see it in bikinis or other private usages, our sense of its real meaning and hence its power is weakened.

Just how far the distinction between the public and the private has been eroded in America was evident this past week, when "Rolling Stone" published its interview with the General in command of our military forces in Afghanistan. I'm not easily shocked any more, but I was shocked that a General of the U.S. Army had been so publicly disrespectfully of the President and Vice-President of our nation to the representative of a magazine whose stated purpose was to betray the effort in which all three men were presumably engaged. The military, after all, has been the last bastion of ordered duties and codified respectfulness. Lives depend on the respect of subordinates tosuperiors there. The military has always thought the civilian branches ofgovernment a bit daft. Nothing new there. But the ingrained respect for rank and office has generally kept military grousing within the ranks. The most striking thing about General McCrystal's remarks was not their substance, but the complete lack of respect for rank and office they betrayed, the general's lack of appreciation for the distinction between the public and the private.

Our flag is a public symbol, the thing that represents our shared experience and history as a nation, including the experience of those who have sacrificed lives and ease to preserve our nation and the freedom of conscience and opportunity to which the United States has committed itself as a nation.

So I think one should feel uneasy sleeping beneath that flag. I think one should feel uneasy quilting it or writing on it or otherwise treating it as something no different from any other textile. That does not render it inaccessible for art. It does set up the parameters within which artists may legitimately use it. I saw Jasper Johns' famous print-painting-encaustic of the American flag but once, but its power overwhelms me still. It sharpened my awareness of the complexity and high-mindedness of America's declared mission, its now-derided exceptionality.

One should take care to learn the rules of its use and to teach those to others who don't know them. Our schools, which have responsibility for passing to succeeding generations our national experience, ought to include instruction in those rules.

I stick with the term "etiquette," but I note that the etiquette is official, legal, codified. And before we treat such codes as old-fashioned stuffinss, maybe we should think about the consequences of trivializing them.

The great Irish patriot and poet William Butler Yeats asked a rhetorical qu
estion in one of his poems that I think is to the point here. "'How but in
custom and ceremony / Are innocence and beauty born?" A point to ponder thi
s July 4th.

The negative might be seen in the old adage "Familiarity breeds contempt."

Oh yes, on the Betsey Ross site is a "flag quilt." Very interesting one, I
thought. And it's pretty obviously not meant for cover.

Gaye Ingram


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Subject: Swastika quilts and the Nazi Flag Quilt
From: ikwlt <ikwltyahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:51:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 9

Regarding the Swastika design:
I debated with myself for months about including this symbol in "World War II Quilts" just released by Schiffer Publishing, Ltd. I have a chapter in the book that deals with the symbols of the war years. Ultimately, I decided TO include a quilt with the swastika design because it is an important artifact of the material culture of the WWII years...<snip> ...
Despite the disdain we all feel for these kinds of symbols, made into quilts, they must be viewed in a neutral way and respected for their historic context.
Sue Reich

sue,
thank you for putting into words and having the gumption to make this evidence of history available for future generations. altho i understand everyone's emotional reaction, the facts do remain and their place in context needs to be recorded. it makes me remember a time when "big boy" was fat and "little black sambo" was iconic. younger people today don't even know there was a "little black sambo" and see "big boy" as a lean, healthy restaurant greeter.

i watched a local news article several years ago where a woman in her 90s received her college degree. of course they interviewed her teachers, and the quote that stuck with me the most was how she had so much trouble with history. seems she remembered it as it WAS, not how it was taught in the text books. just one vivid reminder to us that history can be changed when those who are gone can no longer tell their stories.

and altho i don't remember who, isn't there a country/people who are even now disputing the FACT that the jews were held and killed in concentration camps? it seems ridiculous to me, but as time goes on we will only have the physical and recorded evidence for future generations to learn from rather than first-hand experience.

i think it is wonderful that this flag and other "memorabilia" will be around as evidence of a horrible time in our history. remember that history repeats itself, i think especially when history is not learned. and if there are no first-hand accounts and reminders of any atrocity, there is even more danger of it recurring.
patti





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Subject: Re: Swastika quilts and the Nazi Flag Quilt
From: Jccullencrewaol.com


In regard to the swastika flags and it's meaning and whether or not to keep
them on display or even use them as quilt, my DH is a WWII veteran and was
in the Battle of the Bulge. Those members who are still able to get
around go to schools, scout meetings, etc. to tell their stories.

At a boy scout meeting, one of the vets showed the swastika flag he had
brought back with him which was flying on a bridge they had taken. Several
of the parents confronted the speakers asking how they could show this to the
"children". The men said if you don't teach the kids the symbols or have
evidence of what happened, you'll never know the whole story and it will be
lost in the history books...which brings to mind how often DH was shocked
to find the history teachers were wrong in what they were teaching since he
had been there as was the 90 year old graduate. He spoke to them in
private and it led to some nice relationships with the teachers who were anxious
to give the kids the real facts. He also took issue with the text books
being written and in no uncertain terms gave the grandkids the real story of
what was left out of the books. I hate the site of the swastika but think
it's necessary to show historically what happened so it can never happen
again.


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Subject: Quilting those pesky hexagon/mosaic quilts
From: Pepper Cory <pepcorymail.clis.com>

Just a few words on wthether those hexagon quilts were quilted--most that
I've seen weren't. That said, I own one that is! Found it in a big pile of
quilts at the Allen, Michigan antiques show years ago. I knew it was
English, not American, as soon as I laid hands on it. The hexagons are
small-barely larger than a dime-and the whole quilt quite heavy. My guess is
that there's a lot of fabric tucked behind those hexagons. The colors are
muted (typical mid-19th centrury cottons gently faded) --lots of cotton
shirting fabrics on white grounds--little chine-blue birds, small Perkins
purple roses, thin brown stripes plus white. Each rosette of hexagons is
carefully cut (that's fussy-cutting for you) so the same rose appears in
each hexagon and when assembled, the motifs seem to fly in a never-ending
circle. All rosettes are jammed up to each other without interneving paths
of plain hexagons.
But the quilting! I think it must have been quilted/marked from the back.
The backing is a white twill cotton, heavier than I would use for the task.
In the center of the quilt, lines of enormous leaves march across the quilt.
The leaves are about 12" long and have many veins. Similar but not exactly
the same as seen on c.1900 Welsh wholecloths. But somewhere through the job,
the quilter's patience or imagination ran out. The quilt must have been
flipped over and then she starts to outline each ring of the rosettes and
that continues to the edges. The finish is typical English work--a nice job
of knife-edge sewing sans any binding as we know it.
It took me six months to pay for the beauty but I treasure it. Come to think
of it, it's almost time for another Quilt Flap posting--I should get out
"m'Lady" and photograph it for you.
We're sweltering here in Beaufort NC and need rain badly--only a tease last
night. The front yard's completely brown. At elast there's no mowing needed.
Cheers to all
Pepper

--
Pepper Cory
Teacher, author, designer, and quiltmaker
203 First Street
Beaufort, NC 28516
(252) 726-4117


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Subject: Re: Quilting those pesky hexagon/mosaic quilts
From: JLHfwaol.com

Dear Pepper,
What a great story. Would love to see a photo of m'lady and if
possible her huge leaves as well. I was so taken with the hexagon quilts we saw
in England. I see one in my future. Regards, Janet Henderson in HOT and
also dry, Fort Worth



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Subject: Re: Quilting those pesky hexagon/mosaic quilts
From: "Stephanie Whitson" <stephaniestephaniewhitson.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:01:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 13

Pepper, please do show us this gorgeous rose. I'm drooling just reading your
description.

Wish I could send you some of the water flooding our small towns and wiping
out at least one historic bridge here in Nebraska. . .

Steph Whitson
www.stephaniegracewhitson.com