Subject: on flags
From: Pam Weeks <pamela.weeks@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:27:18 -0400
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Hi to all from muggy NH.

I'm going to weigh in on this discussion to say that, in my opinion, there
is a difference between using an actual flag in a quilt, and constructing a
representation of a flag as part of a quilt design.

The code as provided by Gaye is clear--don't use a manufactured flag to make
a bed-covering. But, if I want to make a patriotic quilt and piece my own
version of a flag as part of the design, I will.

I've been doing a little preliminary research on our beloved flag, and found
that it was late in the nineteenth century before flags became truly uniform
and agreed upon in their designs, especially how many points the stars would
have, and how the stars would be arranged in the blue field. The number of
stripes varied as states were added (and subtracted themselves) During the
Civil War there were regional differences (besides North and South)
depending on the contractor hired to produce the flags.

If there was a date on the Code, I missed it--Gaye?

Jump in, y'all! (I live in Southern NH and can use "y'all") And it's muggy
enough here today to make me think I'm in Georgia.

--
Pam Weeks
603-661-2245
Quilt Historian, Teacher
AQS Certified Appraiser of Quilted Textiles
PO Box 123
Durham, NH 03824

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Subject: American Flag code
From: Judy Schwender <sister3603@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:27:35 -0700 (PDT)
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Hello all,Previous to Flag Day, June 14, 1923 there were no federal or s
tate regulations governing display of the United States Flag.A0 On June
22, 1942, Congress passed a joint resolution which was amended on Decem
ber 22, 1942 to become Public Law 829; Chapter 806, 77th Congress, 2nd s
ession. Title 36, Chapter 10 of the United States Code deals with Pat
riotic Customs. Section 175 concerns the position and manner of display
of the American Flag.A0 This code is the guide for all handling and dis
play of the Stars and Stripes. It does not impose penalties for misuse o
f the United States Flag. That is left to the states and to the federal
government for the District of Columbia. Each state has its own flag law
.ToA0read the part of theA0U.S. Code dealing with the American flag
, go to:http://www.stpeteblue.com/Flagcode.htmJudging from what I
have read, a depiction of the flag on fabric is notA0 violation of the
code.A0 And thus- to my mind anyway-A0to use such a fabric would not b
e a violation of the code.A0 It seems that to use an actual flag in a quil
t WOULD be a violation.Since violation penalties are left up to th
e states, check your own state statutes if you have concerns.Judy
Schwenderpaducah, KY
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Subject: Flag again and "y'all"
From: Gaye Ingram <gingram@suddenlink.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:13:40 -0500
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Pam and all,

Let's get to the important things first: Pam, you may indeed use "y'all." I encourage it as a sensible, precise way to distinguished between the singular and plural second-person pronouns, "you," when the pronoun has no clear antecedent.

Where I live, in the Trans-Mississippi South, one would never say, "Susie Q, y'all are welcome to use my Old Paris vase any time at all." Instead, one would say, "Susie, you may use my Old Paris vase for your party, but don't let me see you out there scooping up that oil floating in the bayou with it." That would preclude Susie's thinking her whole family could lay hands on your grandmother's vase if and when they desired to put on airs. On the other hand, when I'm standing in my driveway waving goodbye to Susie and her husband, I would say, "Y'all come back soon!" Then Susie's husband would understand his presence was desired as well as his wife's.

"Y'all" is a contraction, and contractions almost always are born of need. If we had different singular and plural second-person pronouns, no need would exist.

For instance, when Killington, VT, sought to secede from VT several years ago when the ex-New Yorkers in VT imposed some impossible (or so the folks in KIllington believed) school budgets on local communities and NH's legislature generously (nay, graciously) agreed by unanimous vote to accept the entire town into its constituency, I would hope the individual delivering the official papers did not use the legalese therein, but that he or she said, "Y'all come on over."

Now, to the flag. I went to the Betsy Ross page because I was familiar with it, but I note there is a direct link to the government records provided. There, one can find all laws and amendments pertaining to flag usage, penalties, and so forth. The BR page notes laws were supplemented by Executive Orders and Presidential Proclamations.

The most important recent updates to the flag code occurred in 1949 and 1959, no doubt to incorporate new states and needed clarifications, particularly re flag size. You can spot the 1959 version because it changes the simple non-pretentious verb "use" to the en vogue "scientific," longer, and pretentious "utilize." This was the Sputnik era when people who had been "beauty shop operators" became "beauticians." salesladies in cosmetic departments became "cosmeticians," embalmers became "morticians," and verbs tried to elevate themselves by going Latinate.

Occasions on which the flag is to fly are updated by Executive Orders. For instance, September 11th has been added.

Here is one pertinent section:

The "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America."

In the page's "Frequently Asked Questions," this passage is applied to ties and tees with flag representations as well as to several other uses. In the "Wall of Shame," more applications are given.

Certainly there have been flag quilts created (e.g., the Better Homes & Gardens bi-centennial pattern or kit). And you can't be arrested and put in jail for desecration to the flag, thanks to the sixties or seventies' court rulings. But I think most of us want to show respect for the flag. In the absence of instruction or practice, we've just grown a little insensitive, I suspect. I grew up in a place that was surrounded by military bases and in the wake of a world war, and so matters like this took on a daily relevance. We were taught both in school and in organizations like Scouts and 4-H basic elements of flag etiquette. It was a notably patriotic region .

I would feel uncomfortable sitting on a quilt representing the flag for a couple of reasons. I know it's bad form to have the flag in a horizontal position and I've been to too many military funerals where the caskets are (properly) draped in the flag. The first was ingrained through formal instruction; the second, through personal experience---an association. I just would get the "ooh-gies," that uncomfortable feeling. Technically, I suspect it is incorrect.

I add that I have always loved the use of the flag motif in art and needlework.

Looking at the No-Nos on the Betsy Ross site (look at them: some, like a fire hydrant, are just atrocious), I wanted to blow some of these rules up and post them outside all the supposedly patriotic bubba gas stations. Expose all those flag hats and tees and "love it or leave it" gear for the disrespectful, shallow, mercenary stuff it is.

Pam, you just keep using "y'all" there in Southern New Hampshire where it is "muggy." Here in snakebit Louisiana, temps are predicted to reach only 95 today, a cool snap.

Gaye


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Subject: Re: Flag againThe "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either,
From: Judy Schwender <sister3603@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 09:40:42 -0700 (PDT)

Does anyone care to explain what the following really means?A0 I take it t
o mean that any representation of the flag is to be treated as if actual
ly is a flag.A0 Am I wrong?Judy SchwenderA0The "flag, stan
dard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standa
rd, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any
part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any sub
stance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, stan
dard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or
a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the st
ars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or
parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without del
iberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard,
or ensign of the United States of America."


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Subject: Re: More on flags
From: "Dale Drake" <ddrake@ccrtc.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:52:38 -0400
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Gaye:

Thanks for the Betsy Ross site - and good grief! The flag cake we made for
my son when he returned from Afghanistan - technically a flag and therefore
not to be eaten. And my OLD Old Navy T shirt with the flag on the front
should be burned with respect. (I agree it should be burned, but now I have
to track down a boy scout to do it.) :-)

We can all agree it's the spirit of the thing ... making a flag INTO a quilt
isn't right, but personally I think all those quilted wall hangings with 13
stripes and a star field are just fine. The swastika quilt? Too creepy for
words, but I too was delighted to see it's now in a museum. I was really
afraid someone who LIKED it would buy it.

Dale in steamy Indiana, where we seem to be overrun by bunny rabbits




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Subject: more on Flags
From: Mary Persyn <mary.persyn@valpo.edu>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:28:56 -0500
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One of the problems I have always had with proposed flag desecration
statutes is their enforcement. Is a flag on a size large T-shirt, faded
and stretched over a beer gut of a size XXL guy, being desecrated? What
about pens with flags on them that get tossed in the trash when they run
out of ink? What happens to all those flags that they pass out at
parades when the parade is over?

Here is Indiana's law on the subject

*IC 35-45-1-4*
* Flag desecration
* Sec. 4. (a) A person who knowingly or intentionally mutilates,
defaces, burns, or tramples any United States flag, standard, or ensign
commits flag desecration, a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) This section does not apply to a person who disposes of a flag
in accordance with 36 U.S.C. 176(k).

My interpretation would be that you have to MEAN TO desecrate a flag
before the Indiana statute kicks in. YMMV.

Mary

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Subject: flag code
From: ikwlt <ikwlt@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 7

> I read every word of the flag code that Gaye linked, and
> I'm still left to wonder about using the flag motif on
> quilts. Where does that leave the rich heritage of Hawaiian quilts?

my schooling included proper respect and handling for the flag and my parents were members of the vfw and american legion, both organizations that are active in going before groups and teaching about flag etiquette and also collection and proper disposal of american flags. and i think that is where your question can be answered.

the code pertains to the american flag. that would be the stars and stripes type of our national flag and would not include hawaiian flags. i don't know if each state has their own flag code or etiquette, but that would be where i would begin to look for the answer to using the hawaiian flag.
patti





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Subject: RE: Sitting on a quilt
From: "Jean Carlton" <jeancarlton@comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:53:18 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

Gaye said,
<I would feel uncomfortable sitting on a quilt representing the flag ...

You should, Gaye! It's hard on the stitches...no matter the motif!! and
considered disrespectful at least in Hawaii''
An excerpt from Quilting 101.com...

"Out of respect for the quilter and the many hours of hard work they
poured into their masterpiece, a Hawaiian would never sit on a quilt.
The quilts were admired and displayed in the home but never abused....
If you had a quilt on a bed you were not allowed to sit on the quilt,
they would simply pull up the edge of the quilt, fold it over and sit on
the sheets of the bed. At nighttime you slept under the quilt, never on
top of the quilt. If it were too warm to sleep under a quilt, it would
have to be removed from the bed and put away properly."

Being a hand quilter I really agree. I could almost hear those stitches
popping with the pressure of the weight of a body on top. When I
appraise a quilt with a worn and dirty area where the edge of the bed
would be I picture the farmer coming in from the field in his dirty bib
overalls and sitting on the bed to take his shoes off! Day after day.
Ouch!

And for what it's worth....my take on flag images, colors etc. in a
creation of your own using your materials, fabrics, paints sor whatever
is fine. A real flag cut up or sewn into something else - I wouldn't do
it.

Jean
Diverting the flag discussion a bit


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Subject: quilts at Cornell
From: <lrcawley@twcny.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:48:06 -0400
X-Message-Number: 9

I spent a delightful afternoon in Ithaca on Sunday at the opening of "Ameri
can Quilts from the Terasaki Collection" at the Johnson Museum at Cornell.
There were demonstrations of various quilting techiques by members of the
Tomkins County Quilt Guild, quilt identification, a curator's tour by Cathy
Rosa Klimaszewski, a lecture by Laura Fisher and, of course, the quilts.
Etsuko Terasaki fell in love with American quilts when she came to the US a
fter WWII. Like so many of us she bacame obsessed with the hunt for these
treasure. In this exhibit the focus is on pieced quilts (there are a coupl
e of irresistable examples of applique).

The quilts are beautifully displayed in a single large gallery. I was deli
ghted to see Barb Garrett and Joanna Evans since their company made examini
ng the quilts even more fun. One quilt(a multicolored Ocean Waves) is on a
slant board; the rest are on the walls. The oldest quilt is a chintz appl
ique framed center with a shield motif as the focus. We spent a lot of tim
e trying to figure this one out and finally concluded that it was the produ
ct of two generations (1820-1850). Many of the quilts look to me like typi
cal NY examples. A very large Flying Geese strippy has a fabulous chintz a
s the alternating strips. A Mid-West Amish Double 9-Patch is a masterpiece
of sublety in muted shades of gray, brown and green. A Touching Stars fro
m Searsburgh, NY has green and cheddar Stars with a diamond border (very PA
German looking). A great variation of Harvest Sun set in turuoise hexagon
s also has a surprising amount of cheddar. A number of the quilts have no
borders, for instance, a scrappy Lady of the Lake. One of my favorites is
an indigo and shite Touching Stars signed and dated 1851. The exciting thi
ng about this quilt is the border that contains graceful swans (I've never
seen anything like them). A Fleur de Lis variation (not unlike the Apple P
ie Ridge Star of VA) has a wonky plume and flower border. I think that qui
ltmakers sound it much easiers to make the quilt blocks than to solve the b
order problem. Is this why we see so many borders which verge (and often c
ross the line) on being goofy?

Another applique, probably from PA) has 9 large red and yello Tulip blocks
on a print background with sashing and borders of diagonal red and tan (mos
t likely once green) strips. Two wool Log Cabin vvariations shown side by
side really highlight the visual opulence of pieced quilts. One is a Barn
Raising in shades of brown, the other a much more dramatic Windmill Blades
artfully arranges in concentric squares of color with a great use of red.
There are a couple of spectacular Crazy quilts. I especially liked the B
aby's Block with a scalloped frame of crazy patchwork.

Laura Fisher's lecture: Provacative Parallels: The Modern Art of Antique Qu
ilts" looked at images in contemporary art which might have been taken dire
ctly from 19th and early 20th century quilts. She raised the question of th
e "why" of flag quilts and showed examples of repeat images in quilts that
conjure up Andy Warhol's Campbell soup cans. Could Crazy quilts have influ
enced collage artists? Is there a connection between the art of Frank Stel
la and classic Amish quilts? How did quiltmakers design graphic quilts lik
e Bowmansville Star or Trip Around the world without benefit of the design
walls we rely on taday? So many fascinating questions. Laura gave us a lo
t to think about. It was a great afternoon. The exhibit runs until August
1. I'm looking forward to going back soon with some Eastern Shore friends
.

Cinda in Central NY


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Subject: mention of a coverlats book
From: "Marcia's Mail" <marciark@earthlink.net>

Sorry to do this online, but I cannot find where I put the email
regarding a book on coverlets from someone in the group. I want to go
ahead and order it this evening if possible. Thanks, Marcia


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Subject: Re: flag code in the UK
From: Sally Ward <sallytatters@fastmail.co.uk>

Flag etiquette, or code, seems to be the same across nations. The rules
I remembered from my days in the Girl Guides were the same as the
American ones quoted, but amongst friends who were not Guides, or
Scouts, I doubt if there would be any knowledge of the code. I never
came across it in school.

In addition, we have numerous arcane rules about when, where and how it
may be flown. These include orders of precedence, places where the
Union Flag (aka Union Jack) may (or should) be flown, when it should be
flown at half mast, how to get it the right way up, etc. etc.

Much offence was taken on the death of Princess Diana because Buckingham
Palace did not fly a flag at half mast. This was in fact correct
etiquette, but it was all far too complicated for the tabloid newspapers
to understand. Try working your way through this, from a Wikipedia
explanation. It is more complicated because the Queen was not in London
and in fact no flag at all was flying over the Palace. The furore at
the time led to a compromise, and a subsequent change in policy. (The
Union Flag and the Royal Standard are two different things). You will
note from the entry that as well as national days of mourning we flew
the Union Flag at half mast after 9/11.

Sally Ward

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Subject: Re: Quilting those pesky hexagon/mosaic quilts
From: Sally Ward <sallytatters@fastmail.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 23:51:28 +0100
X-Message-Number: 12

Today I was at a quilt exhibition in a private house in Northern England
which contained a feast of pieced-over-papers quilts, and I took special
note of any quilting.

In many cases the pieced over papers coverlets were without a backing,
having just the raw edges of the hexagons on the back. On those that did
have a backing it was not always possible to see whether they were
original or not. I found one quilted with a diamond hatch, one quilted
in a shell pattern, and one quilted with parallel lines in a chevron
pattern. Only one had an elaborate pattern which was catalogued as
'reminiscent of Welsh patterns'. None of these quilting patterns showed
any correlation to the patterns of the patchwork pieces. The others, so
far as I could see, appeared to have no quilting at all. I particularly
noted that of those that did have a lining, I couldn't see evidence on
the front of the coverlets of any attachment of the front to the back.
It may just be because we expect things to be quilted that we feel there
should be an attachment when in fact it is not needed.

Sally Ward




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Subject: Re: Flag again and "y'all"
From: JLHfw@aol.com

Gaye,
A cool snap yes, but what will the humidity be? Might be a
sweltering cool snap. Janet H in Fort Worth where it actually rained again today
and may even rain again tomorrow. Miracles......


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Subject: Re: Quilting those pesky hexagon/mosaic quilts
From: JLHfw@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:23:20 EDT

Dear Sally,
Thank you for your comments. As an American, I am accustomed to
seeing everyting quilted. Seeing the unquilted tops and coverlets was part of
my learning curve. They are lovely. Janet H in Fort Worth


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Subject: The Swastika quilt
From: Marsha MacDowell <macdowel@msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:04:28 -0400
X-Message-Number: 1

For Lisa Evans and others....

There are no current plans to present anything on this quilt since we
really don't know anything about it except that it exists and what
little we can discern from its physical attributes.

As part of the MSU Museum's collections, it will, however, be added
to the Quilt Index. Hopefully as the existence of this quilt becomes
more known we will learn about its provenance, perhaps uncover
similar work, etc. We will count on the QHL list to be vigilant and
to share any tidbits of data that might help us know more about this
particular quilt as well as what I have been calling the dark side of
the quilt world.

For the time being, the fact that it exists is disturbing but
powerful evidence of a history that should be remembered, understood,
and learned from. And if we (and I am speaking as a museum staff
member but also as an educator and a individual citizen) are to be
agents in building a more knowledgeable, civil society, evidence like
this is information that we can and must use.

Marsha MacDowell
Curator, Michigan State University Museum
Professor, Art and Art History
Co-Director, The Quilt Index


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Subject: Hexagon quilts
From: Marsha MacDowell <macdowel@msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 10:12:21 -0400
X-Message-Number: 2

With support from a fellowship awarded by the International Quilt
Study Center and Museum at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, I am
doing in-depth research on South African quiltmaking. I recently
completed visits to over twenty museums in South Africa that held
quilt and textile collections. In those collections are many, many
hexagon mosaic quilts, many in the English paper piecing technique.
While some have some provenance, the majority have little, if any
data. I am working this year with the curators and collection
managers of those collections to put the data -- such as it is --
into the Quilt Index.

Marsha MacDowell
Curator, Michigan State University Museum
Co-Director, The Quilt Index


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Subject: RE: Houck and Bishop's All Flags Flying
From: "Maureen" <maureen@booksandoldlace.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:28:32 -0700
X-Message-Number: 3


I've probably missed the post that remarked on Robert Bishop and Carter
Houck's All Flags Flying: American Patriotic Quilts as Expressions of
Liberty. It's a beautiful book celebrating the 1986 bicentennial of the
Statue of Liberty, with a quilt contest sponsored by Scotchguard that was
shown at the Great American Quilt Festival.

Flags certainly abound throughout, in motif and in design as do eagles. The
historic quilts from Carter Houck's collection are stunning: a beautiful
Hawaiain quilt, one made of those cigarette premiums, a civil war autograph
quilt, Baltimore Album style patriotics and many more. The contemporary
competition quilts are equally lovely - art quilts of the Statue of Liberty
that represent every geography, every nation, and every good hope.

Sorry if someone's already posted about this great book!

Maureen in Ashland, Oregon




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Subject: Re: Hexagon quilts
From: "Mary Persyn" <Mary.Persyn@valpo.edu>

That is way cool, Marsha!

Mary


I am working this year with the curators and collection
managers of those collections to put the data -- such as it is --
into the Quilt Index.


Mary G. Persyn
Associate Dean for Library Services
School of Law
Valparaiso University
656 S. Greenwich St.
Valparaiso, IN 46383
(219) 465-7830
FAX (219) 465-7917
mary.persyn@valpo.edu

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Subject: Re: The Swastika quilt
From: textique@aol.com



Marsha,

I think adding this item to the your collection was a brilliant move and
the best possible end and beginning for the textile. I've
been gone and my e-mail hasn't been working. Thank you for replying to my
contact info that Cowan's passed on to the quilt's
buyer and thank Beth for passing it on to you.

Cowan's rep was someone I've never dealt with before and her answer to my
question about the consignor's provenance was that
there wasn't any. I didn't press her because I've been busy. They usuall
y just send my contact to the consignor (or - like you, the purchaser) and
no one has ever refused contacting me. For my purpose of Ohio Samplers,
it helps me follow already documented pieces or trace the path traveled
by undocumented ones in an attempt to prove or disprove they were made in
Ohio. Of course, schoolgirl embroideries are not swastika quilts and may
not promote owner-willingness-to-discuss. You may have already done this
so did she put you in touch with the seller? Was it a dead end for infor
mation? Rhetorically, it could have come out of an estate but even with
that, who was the owner? Was it a soldier and where did he or she serve?
If you haven't already done this, I would be happy to pursue it with Co
wans but you would have to let the rep know it is ok. I'm not trying to
jump into something I shouldn't but what is defined as "there wasn't any"
by one person might hold a glimmer of hope to me.


Jan, who got to document another, actual, real, live, reform dress, maybe
as early as 1850s last week. I have pictures!


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Subject: Article, "Angry About Image of Museum Swastika Quilt"
From: textique@aol.com


http://blogs.denverpost.com/eletters/2010/06/29/angry-about-image-of-museu
m-swastika-quilt/

Angry About Image Of Museum Swastika Quilt









Re: 9CSwastika quilt a quirk of history,9D June 28 news stor
y.
The Denver Post should be ashamed that it ran a photo of the Swastika quil
t owned by the Greeley Museums. Museum manager Erin Quinn said the swastik
a quilt will not be hung in their museum until there is a discussion befor
ehand, and framed by plenty of context, as the museum is concerned that th
e quilt display would make someone mad or be hurtful. Apparently Quinn, by
agreeing to pose next to her quilt in a very large newspaper photo
94 to be seen by many more thousands of people than will ever visit her
museum 94 truly doesn99t care how many people will be mad
or hurt by its display, and neither does The Denver Post. According to th
is article, 9CIn many European countries, it is against the law to
fly the swastika. It still provokes a lot of hard feelings for people.E2
809D The Denver Post should be ashamed that it put this photo in the pap
er. I am very mad and hurt that I saw this quilt photo this morning and my
feelings will take a very long time to go away.
Linda Sones Feinberg, Fort Collins
This letter was published in the June 30 edition. For information on how
to send a letter to the editor, click here.


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Subject: Re: The Swastika quilt
From: Kittencat3@aol.com

Thanks, Marsha. As disquieting as this quilt is, I'm glad that you're
preserving it.

Lisa Evans



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Subject: Re: Article, "Angry About Image of Museum Swastika Quilt"
From: Quilltr@aol.com



In a message dated 6/29/2010 9:14:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
textique@aol.com writes:

http://blogs.denverpost.com/eletters/2010/06/29/angry-about-image-of-museum-
swastika-quilt/

Angry About Image Of Museum Swastika Quilt


Interesting quilt. I like the use of the blue plaid fabric in it, and I
notice some of the swastikas are clockwise, and some counter-clockwise.
Maybe making people more aware of the use and connotations of the swastika
throughout history, before the Nazi's appropriated it, would be a way to
diffuse the reactions of people like the letter writer. I don't get any bad
feelings from this quilt, only the ones of good luck and life that I'm sure
were intended when it was made. I don't see any negative connotations in
Native-American use of swastikas, either. The Nazi flag itself is repulsive,
but the symbol has always had such positive meaning throughout the
centuries.

Lisa




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Subject: website up
From: "Rose Marie Werner" <rwerner@deskmedia.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 22:04:57 -0500
X-Message-Number: 9

Since many of you have been asking, I'd like to announce that my website
www.quiltkitid.com is now active. It's still a work in progress but there
are about 3000 quilt designs uploaded to help you identify 20th Century
quilt kits and patterns. There are also stories about the companies and
designers. Take a look. There are free sample files so you can see what the
documentation is like. I've been working on this documentation project for
about six years. I feel like I've just given birth after a very looooong
pregnancy. Like Motherhood, it's probably a never-ending venture.
Rosie Werner


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Subject: Re: Article, "Angry About Image of Museum Swastika Quilt"
From: <quiltnsharron@charter.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 21:20:10 -0700
X-Message-Number: 1

Linda, I hate that this quilt and news article have upset you so badly. We've been discussing for days now that quilts like these need to be seen to educate people. I'm past the nazi connotations. When I see this design I see good fortune and hope for a better future. I hope you'll be able to see the same.

Best regards,
Sharron ....................... in humid Spring, TX
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Subject: RE: Article, "Angry About Image of Museum Swastika Quilt"
From: "Candace Perry" <candace@schwenkfelder.com>

Oh geez...I feel for Erin the museum manager...
Candace Perry
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Subject: Quilt Kit Web Site
From: Sue Wildemuth <quiltingbee73@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:43:20 -0700 (PDT)

Hi Rosie,I am on my way out the door to prepare forA show for my h
usband's club, but I lingered a little longer at the house when I saw yo
ur message about your web site.A0 I'm posting this to the list instead
of privately because I just purchased a subscription to your web site an
d took a tour around your site. A0I knew this web site was coming and I
A0just had to take a look - I couldn't wait untilA0next Tuesday.A0
A0It is WONDERFUL, just wonderful.A0 When this weekend is in the books
I plan to take a longer tour around your site.A0 Bravo!A0
Sue Wildemuth
--0-969418895-1277905400:24258--


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Subject: Re: Article, "Angry About Image of Museum Swastika Quilt"
From: textique@aol.com

Sharron, I'm sorry, but this was a letter put in the Denver Post in react
ion to an article link that Pepper sent to us a few days ago.
Linda was the person who signed the letter.

Jan Thomas
Colorado Springs


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Subject: RE: Article, "Angry About Image of Museum Swastika Quilt"
From: textique@aol.com


My thoughts too Candace. I worked for a dealer for several years and IF
(notice big if) we purchased
any quilt in this pattern, it was held under the table for certain collect
ors. General customer reaction
was often like that of the Denver Post letter writer.

I'll be up in Greeley in a few weeks and will stop in and give Erin a hug.
Just 'cause. If I could find
Linda, the letter writer, I'd give her one too.

Jan


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Subject: Mom's 96th Birthday
From: "Julie Silber" <quiltcomplex@hughes.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 08:44:39 -0700
X-Message-Number: 6

Hello All,

Hard to believe that a year has gone by, but it has. Tempus does fugit.

My Mom, Merry Silber, will be 96 on July 10.

Wonderfully, I found a velvet Crazy Quilt with a huge embroidered "1914" --
the year of Mom's birth.

I have posted a photo of Mom ( a quilt collector) -- with the quilt on the
e-Board.

Julie Silber


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Subject: Re: Article, "Angry About Image of Museum Swastika Quilt"
From: <quiltnsharron@charter.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 8:58:37 -0700
X-Message-Number: 7

I stay confused. Best I keep it to myself.

Regards,
Sharron


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Subject: re maddening exhibits & swastikas
From: Gaye Ingram <gingram@suddenlink.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 12:32:29 -0500
X-Message-Number: 8

Re: "...the museum is concerned that the quilt display
would make someone mad or be hurtful."

Do you imagine the same folks who complained so bitterly about this exhibition pilloried "Shindler's List"?

The museum should have prepared a written rationale for the exhibit and the articles therein: such formal rationales can eliminate irrelevancies and guide the displays of relevancies. They also preclude having to scramble to "account for" objects in exhibitions. I know the economic woes museum keepers experience, but being spineless and respondent only to such ill-defined and poorly conceived complaints only worsens them.

What really intrigues me is that the museum fears the quilt will make anyone "mad"! Do you suppose the lady meant "angry"? Totally different states of mind, I believe.

Yet I confess the image of a museum visitor standing before the quilt in question and suddenly losing all his or her wits somehow appeals to me on this muggy, overcast day in Louisiana. Wonder what the smell of crude oil would do to such delicate souls?

Always amazed in Louisiana,
Gaye Ingram


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Subject: RE: re maddening exhibits & swastikas
From: "Candace Perry" <candace@schwenkfelder.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:16:15 -0400
X-Message-Number: 9

It's my impression the quilt hasn't been exhibited as yet from that article
-- they seem to be discussing a relatively new addition to the collection,
and seem to be saying they would attempt to figure out how to appropriately
frame it if it were to be shown publicly. I think it's far goofier that the
local history professor said "Oh my God!" or something of that nature, when
told of the quilt, when to me it seems rather mundane, quilt wise. Now
that's someone who is uninformed about the ubiquitous nature of the
swastika. Heck, it even shows up in hex sign format among the PA
Dutch...it's just more "swirling" if that makes sense.
Here's a good topic for an exhibit, "Symbols that People Misconstrue or
Stereotype." That would be great fun!!!! I can see really raising the
collective ire of the masses by gathering these non-Third Reich
representations of the swastika and attempting to show from whence the
symbol came. I agree -- a horrendous thought, but interesting nonetheless.
Candace Perry

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Subject: Re: website up
From: michele mclaughlin <mickiemclaug58@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 11:39:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Message-Number: 10

Rosie, the website is great! Already found a number of things that I was looking for on it! It is VERY user friendly! Can't wait for the sunbonnets but found some on your site that I had only read about. THANKS! It's great!
Congrats, like children, the birth-ing is worth the effort. Looks wonderful!
Michele McLaughlin
Allentown PA