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Subject: Re- Duped and eBay From: Judi Fibush <judifibush.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:13:17 -0800 X-Message-Number: 1

Greta,

Yes, a Seller cannot give negative feedback to a Buyer directly. However, if a Buyer gives Negative feedback to a Seller, the Seller can give a response to that feedback. I know this sounds complicated but I have seen it done. The only way the Buyer would be aware or anyone else for that matter is if they looked at the Seller's feedback and saw the Negative and the Seller's response. Sometimes it gets rather nasty.

I do agree contact the Seller if you have a problem and hope it can be resolved.

Judi

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Subject: ugrr quilt From: quiltarkmvyahoo.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:37:30 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 2

I finally had time to look at the photos for the UGRR quilt everyone is buzzing about on the list.

The log cabin embroidered section is easy to see. The other one in red cross stitching reminded me of the outline of a church if you turn the picture 90 degrees to the left (1/4 turn). It seems to have a center section with steeple and spires to the left and right.

This quilt is obviously a utility type quilt without an overall repeated block pattern (1-patch, 4-patch, etc.). What is showing has irregular piecing and a conglomeration of fabrics . . . as if it was made from any materials they could find.....but the embroidered patches may have had some special remembrance or personal significance and so they were preserved

Guesses, guesses, guesses! You can tell more if you see the quilt in person andfamily information and quilt documentation would help explain its story. Apparently,information supporting the claimis absent judging from the current discussion on this list. The photos don't show the entire quilt. However, this quilt looks to me like the maker used little bits of everything (and probably did not have many materials to work with) and added a few embroidered pieces that had special significance to them (although they left behind no information about them).

I really love the embroidered block with the cabin and the tree and the field............they must have meant something to the quilter. We will probably never know the true story.

C. Ark, Urbana, Ohio

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Subject: Underground Railroad, I hate this subject, =?ISO-8859-1?B?YnV0ig==?=.. From: ibquiltncomcast.net Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012

Heavy sigh. I go to a local quilt shop where there is an amiable group of quilters each week who come for a session called "Open Quilt". These women appear to have known each other for years and I recognize myself as "the outsider" amongst them, but this is a public shop and I am trying hard to blend in with them as I accomplish my work. Taking myself away from this _____ computer, the laundry, the phone, errands, chores is helping me to clean up several projects. It's important to me to continue to go there.

So, here I am trying to fit in and that dreaded subject comes up, one of the woman went on and on glowingly about how she made an Underground Railroad quilt. The tone of her voice and awe in how she treated the subject bothered me. It actually made me so uncomfortable that this woman presented the subject as a complete fact and that the quilt was being romanticized by her.

So, I quietly said something in front of the group that the entire thing is a myth and that no quilts that back up the story have truly been documented at this time. She does not know me well and does not, clearly, want to hear this. Yet, I feel, as a person who has been in this group for many years now, and a person who values factual history that it is truly my duty to clear up misconceptions.

Yet, I am in a precarious position, trying to break into an established group of friends, keep the peace and get my work done. But, I just can't let this myth go unaddressed. She "put me in my place" with a loud and simple "I get my facts from history books" as if she knows the truth and I do not and that some history book told her it was true? I wanted to respond, "Are you kidding?????" But, I let it go at that point, vowing to print some facts off my computer to simply and quietly hand to her next week at the shop.

My thought about this was to ask you all. What web sites might have TRUE information stated in a factual manner about this? What would you print to give to her? And, sadly, are there now actually history books vs. quilting books that tell this as fact now?

I want to be kind, and I will not embarrass her in front of her friends, who might share this belief with her, but I sure do not like it being implied that I am a liar and have no idea what I am talking about. This woman isn't here reading about Quilt History day in and day out and probably doesn't have a large and ever-growing library of quilt history related books in her home, as I do. She's a nice lady, and a good and productive quilter, but I just can't leave it with her thinking I am wrong here when I know better.

So, advice please on how to handle this well and come out looking like I know what I am talking about and not ruin my relationships. : ) Perhaps I might just simply give her the stuff, keep my mouth shut (hard for me to do) and agree to disagree? Don't you all feel the same obligation to correct this, as I do?

I sure know who to ask.

Thanks if you have thoughts on this. I would also appreciate any of you relating any particular conflicts you might have had and how you addressed it. Were you able to turn around anyone or do they go merrily on their way, accepting the myth as factual?

Linda Heminway Plaistow NH

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Subject: =?iso-8859-2?Q?RE:_=5Bqhl=5D_Underground_Railroad=2C_I_hate_this_subjec?=?iso-8859-2?Q?t=2C_but=A9..?From: "Stephanie

As I've been working on my masters in history, I've learned something that honestly surprised me. History isn't fixed facts and history books aren't holy writ. The history we know is based on fallible accounts written down by fallible people. So to take any "history book" at face value as if it were written-in-stone-trustworthy is to set oneself up for error. It seems to me that this woman has done that. She perhaps read Hidden in Plain View and believed it. I wanted to believe it when I heard the author speak. I truly did. But I knew that a wedding ring pattern was problematic. Still, I thought. . . "they are historians. What do I know?"

I just read a book called Historical Thinking and Other Unnatural Acts (written for history teachers) and the point was made in this book that historians actually rate most history textbooks fairly low on the "accuracy" scale. Probably because history texts have to major on generalizations. For example, was Abraham Lincoln a racist or the great emancipator? Well, if you read the Emancipation Proclamation ... you think one thing. If you read some of his speeches ... you might think another. And then there is the sticky wicket of looking at history through 21st century eyes. It gets very confusing.

For a person like the one who snapped back at you at that quilting, this is a person who is defensive as heck and who apparently seems to think that saying "I was wrong" somehow will impugn her humanity. I tread very lightly with people like that. I'd probably be very non-confrontational and do something like this:

Print out Barbara Brackman's paper on the subject ... I think it was recommended on this loop a while ago. Make copies for everyone in the group. Put them on a table by the door. Apologize to the lady who snapped at you (because a soft answer turns away wrath) and tell her that you are a student of quilt history and you've brought something that you found very helpful on the subject of UGRR quilts, and if she wants to know where you got your information ... there it is. I'd tell her I don't want to pick a fight, her quilt is lovely, but from the years of study you've done you've learned that while the story is wonderful and everyone loves it, historians haven't been able to find any evidence in actual slave narratives that talks about quilts providing a code to help them find freedom. And I'd probably tell her I didn't mean to pick a fight. Again. And that you really want to be part of this group and you hope that you can agree to disagree and let it be.

I'm a peacemaker at heart and I pick the hills I will die on very carefully. And this wouldn't be one for me .. especially if I wanted to be part of this group.

Stephanie Whitson

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Subject: Re: please clean up your replies From: "Gale Slagle" <glslagcox.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:38:41 -0800 X-Message-Number: 5

Just a reminder to clean up your replies. When replying to a comment please, please, left click and drag the mouse to the end of the email to mark all the text & emails that are not relevant to your reply. Then hit the delete button. This will save those of us that get a daily email from having to re- read or sort through the comments to find new entries. Thank you -- Gale

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Subject: searching for a quilt owner From: Judy Schwender <sister3603yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:20:23 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 6

Hello all,If a Kathryn Shirley sunscribes to this list, would you pleaseemail me off-list at sister3603yahoo.com?Thank you.Judy Schwender -

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Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:[qhl]UndergroundRailroad,Ihatethis?=?UTF-8?Q?subject,but=C5..?From: Mitzioakesaol.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:42:17 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 7

Hi Linda - Having been a quilt volunteer at the Shelburne Museum, (Shelburne,. VT) for some years, I had at least one visitor per day ask about been shown an UGRR quilt. I also tried to get the true facts out about this ongoing subject. I found I could not change some people's minds and just made a simple statement about this being a myth (not the UGRR - that was a fact!). So I feel your frustration. I am sure the QHL will send you lots of good information. Hope you in NH have more snow than us Vermonters have had this Winter. Mitzi

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Subject: quilt repair info please From: Lisa Erlandson <lisalequilts.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:28:19 -0600 X-Message-Number: 8

Hi everyone,

I am trying to help a quilt owner locate someone in the Annapolis, Maryland area for quilt repair. Please contact me at lisalequilts.com

Thanks, Lisa Erlandson

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Subject: RE: quilt repair info please From: "Margaret Geiss-Mooney" <mgmooneymoonware.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:38:04 -0800 X-Message-Number: 9

Good afternoon, QHLers - The professional organization of conservators (AIC - American Institute for Conservation of Historic & Artistic Works) offers a free referral service available at the following website:

http://tinyurl.com/findaconservator

There is also a link on this website to "How I should choose a conservator?" that will also provide you with good information.

No matter who the quilt owner uses there should be a written contract signed by both parties outlining what the conservator will be doing.

Please feel free to contact me off-list if you need further clarification. Regards, Meg . _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ___________ Margaret E. Geiss-Mooney Textile/Costume Conservator & Collections Management Consultant Professional Associate - AIC 707-763-8694 mgmooneymoonware.net

...a quilt owner locate someone in the Annapolis, Maryland area for quilt repair...

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Subject: Lighting on quilts - track lighting From: Karen Alexander <karenquiltrockisland.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:53:12 -0800 X-Message-Number: 10

Okay, this is not about quilts per se, but I value the accumulated experience of this group.

http://karenquilt.blogspot.com/2012/02/quilt-shed-phase-ii.html

The Quilt Shed is about to become a reality. Move in date is not far off. But first, among a few other odds and ends, I need to add track lighting. These lights will not be on often...and the quilts will be covered most of the time anyway. I am not running a museum, but I am trying to be careful.

Here are some of my choices for track lighting. I have no idea what the pros and cons are of any of these. Anyone want to wade in?

Thanks -- Karen in the Islands

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Subject: Tracking lighting -- oops From: Karen Alexander <karenquiltrockisland.com> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:58:16 -0800 X-Message-Number: 11

I forgot the link to the track lighting.

http://junolightinggroup.com/product_index_results.asp?sel1=45&sel2=54&sel363&ln=6&sub=9&brand=1&hl=&page=1

Any opinions on this stuff?

Karen in the Islands

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Subject: Quilt repair in the DC area From: "Judy Grow" <judy.growcomcast.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:11:05 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12

Newbie Richardon is in Alexandria VA.

Newbie Richardson E-mail Address(es): pastcraftsverizon.net http://www.costumeandtextile.net/WhoWeAre.html

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good afternoon, QHLers - The professional organization of conservators (AIC - American Institute for Conservation of Historic & Artistic Works) offers a free referral service available at the following website:

http://tinyurl.com/findaconservator

There is also a link on this website to "How I should choose a conservator?" that will also provide you with good information.

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Subject: Underground Railroad, yet again From: Linda Heminway <ibquiltncomcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:55:48 -0500 X-Message-Number: 1

Thanks for all your answers and thoughts, both on list and off list. I will look for and print Barbara Brackman's article on the subject. I believe I have read it in the past. For me, it's been like selling ice to the Eskimos for me, all along. I, like most of you, know in my heart that firm proof is lacking and how this myth has grown. Having read all of your remarks on this subject that comes up time and time again, I feel quite able to offer an opinion.

I also agree that I do not want to "rock the boat" as I am trying to break in with an established long term group. I want to be their friend, but I also want them to know who I am as a quilter and respect what I have to say and recognize that I am a person whose opinion and knowledge are worthy.

Due to my involvement with Don Beld and The Home of The Brave Quilt Project, I have had a great thirst for knowledge when it comes to any Civil War Era quilts, particularly those of the US Sanitary Commission. I would be remiss at this moment if I did not offer a strong kudos with regard to the new book Civil War Quilts by Pam Weeks and Don Beld. I got my autographed copy directly from Don earlier this week and I have been devouring it. It is just wonderful, so well done. Have provided a link below to the book on Amazon.

On this list, which I might have joined about 9 or 10 years ago (can't even remember but it's been a long time) I am here to learn and I do not offer too many opinions in an authoritative way as I defer to those of you who are more well educated than I, and are writers of books, people who run and work at museums, etc. I'm the tip of the iceberg in knowledge compared to some of you, but I read this digest each day and I absorb what I can. I buy all the same books you all own and read the same information. Yet, I do not have an official "title" that I can flaunt, with confidence, when I make a statement in a group.

Again, I thank you all for your words of wisdom. Linda

The new book:

http://www.amazon.com/Civil-War-Quilts-Pam-Weeks/dp/0764339362/

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Subject: Civil War Quilts From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 2

And in the ironies of life...

I had been asked to do a sewing project at a local library with the general theme of Civil War Quilts. Since I have a sampler quilt that is roughly civil war ish (probably 1870), I thought I would pattern that and offer those patterns to the group. Then I thought....well, it would be nice to have more than just that quilt so I started looking online for ACTUAL civil war era quilts with blocks I could reference.

I was surprised/dismayed/perplexed at the number of "civil war" quilts out there that are modern quilts made with reproduction fabric, or just quilts someone has labelled civil war because it sounded good. The QIAD Underground Railroad book is one, but there are quite a few others. No wonder the average quilter is confused!

I thought about asking this group for references, but hadn't gotten around to it when I received the press release from Schifferbooks about the book Civil War Quilts by Pam Weeks and Don Beld. It's much, much more than a pattern book - there is some serious information in it about honest-to-God civil war quilts. I hope it is released to the quilting distributors so it can get into quilt shops.

Meanwhile, if anyone can point me in the direction of a civil war or pre civil war quilt that I can look at, I would be appreciative. I just want to confirm that the blocks I will be using were actually in existence prior to 1862. I'm not looking for the specialty ones, more like the churn dashes and square-in-a-square type blocks that would have been commonly used.

I will share my results with the list, I promise:-))

Kris

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Subject: Re: Civil War Quilts From: JLHfwaol.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:22:30 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 3

Dear Kris, My Civil War Quilts arrived in the mail day before yesterday from Amazon. It is the best book by far of any published on the subject. It belongs in every quilt historian's library. Congratulations to Pam Weeks and Don Beld for a superb job. Janet H in Fort Worth --part1_6716.dd490f3.3c6fbca6_boundary--

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Subject: Re: Civil War Quilts From: kathie holland <kathiehollandoptonline.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 09:48:52 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4

I ordered mine early Jan and Amazon is saying it won't be shipped till the week of March 5th! Guess they sold out of the initial order. I can't wait to get my copy I have heard nothing but rave reviews on this book Kathie

> My Civil War Quilts arrived in the mail day before yesterday from > Amazon. It is the best book by far of any published on the subject. It > belongs in every quilt historian's library. Congratulations to Pam Weeks and > Don Beld for a superb job. Janet H in Fort Worth

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Subject: UGRR quilt history & Cincinnati, Ohio museum From: quiltarkmvyahoo.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:55:17 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 5

For years, I have chosen not to visit the National Underground Railroad Center museum in Cincinnati, Ohio due to the fact that in its early days, it promoted the UGRR quilt myths.When you wrote to them regarding the lack of historical evidence about using quilts on theunderground railroad, they just would not reply.If my memory serves me correctly, they also promoted lessons, activities, & programs about UGGR quilts which irritated many quilt history folks. After reviewing their web site today, apparentlythey have abandoned that position citing a lack of historical evidence for the UGRR quilt myth. They have 1.2 million visitors a year and have recently merged with the larger museum network in Cincinnati, Ohio. So they are spreading the word about this particular myth.  The QHL notes from 2/16 re: the UGGR myth prompted me to go again and look at the National Underground Railroad Center web site to see what they now say about the UGGR myth. This is what I found:  "One of the most famous symbols of the Underground Railroad is the quilt. Supposedly used as an indicator of a safe place, it is claimed that quilts were hung from roofs, barns, and fences to signal to enslaved individuals the location was a station on the Underground Railroad. There are two pieces of evidence that allow many historians to question the validity of Underground Railroad quilts. The first being that no former enslaved individuals accounts mentioned these quilts in the Works Progress Administration Slave Narratives from the 1930s. Second, that quilts also were not mentioned in any19th Century slave narratives. Had these quilts been utilized by those participating in the Underground Railroad, it is likely that they would have appeared in at least a few of these narratives. There is also no hard evidence of their existence; no quilt with proven Underground Railroad usage has been found. Still, these quilts remain one of the most famous symbols of the Underground Railroad."

You can read more at their web site: http://www.freedomcenter.org/underground-railroad/history/myths/.

I just put them back on my list of important places to visit.

Food for thought and let history prevail! C. Ark, Urbana, Ohio & headed to Cincinnati this summer.............. ---154443274-1743974207-1329486917=:34834--

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Subject: RE: UGRR quilt history & Cincinnati, Ohio museum From: "Stephanie Whitson" <stephaniestephaniewhitson.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:07:34 -0600 X-Message-Number: 6

THAT is a very tactful statement about UGRR quilts. Thanks for sharing it. I wish every teacher in America had that.  Stephanie Whitson

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Subject: Great cleaning story From: Teddy Pruett <aprayzerhotmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:27:00 -0500 X-Message-Number: 7

Someone on the SAQA list posted this=2C and I found it very appropriate to this list. Great visuals=3B something we can "see" as well as read.

Teddy Pruett

 

www.teddypruett.com Art is the only way to run away without leaving home. -Twyla Tharp

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Subject: RE: Great cleaning story From: quiltnsharroncharter.net Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:53:47 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 8

 

Am I missing the link?

~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharron K. Evans www.treetopquilting.com Phone: 281-350-3498 Spring, TX ~~~~~~~~~~~

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Teddy Pruett wrote:

> Someone on the SAQA list posted this, and I found it very appropriate to this list. Great visuals; something we can "see" as well as read.

Teddy Pruett

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Subject: RE: UGRR quilt history & Cincinnati, Ohio museum From: "Kim Baird" <kbairdcableone.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:14:27 -0600 X-Message-Number: 9

I think that statement says it all. Now can we PLEASE stop hashing this one to death? Kim

 "One of the most famous symbols of the Underground Railroad is the quilt. Supposedly used as an indicator of a safe place, it is claimed that quilts were hung from roofs, barns, and fences to signal to enslaved individuals the location was a station on the Underground Railroad. There are two pieces of evidence that allow many historians to question the validity of Underground Railroad quilts. The first being that no former enslaved individuals accounts mentioned these quilts in the Works Progress Administration Slave Narratives from the 1930s. Second, that quilts also were not mentioned in any 19th Century slave narratives. Had these quilts been utilized by those participating in the Underground Railroad, it is likely that they would have appeared in at least a few of these narratives. There is also no hard evidence of their existence; no quilt with proven Underground Railroad usage has been found. Still, these quilts remain one of the most famous symbols of the Underground Railroad."

You can read more at their web site: http://www.freedomcenter.org/underground-railroad/history/myths/.

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Subject: Try, try again From: Teddy Pruett <aprayzerhotmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 12:41:41 -0500 X-Message-Number: 10

http://deyoung.famsf.org/blog/bird-bath-conservation-william-morris-textile-0

Teddy Pruett

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Subject: Re: UGRR quilts on the February 16, 2012 Digest From: "Marilyn M. Withrow" <mmwmarilynquilts.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 11:43:46 -0600 X-Message-Number: 11

I have printed, with her permission, Barbara Brackman's article on the UGRR quilts -- if it's on her website, go there -- if it isn't, go check out mine. www.marilynquilts.com. Hers is the most reasonably thought-out and logical article I've seen on UGRR quilts. I went to an AQSGMOKA (Missouri/Oklahoma/Kansas/Arkansas) meeting a few weeks ago, held in Oklahoma City, and many of the women there were black and completely believing in the UGRR quilt story. I made an attempt to correct them and paraphrase Barbara Brackman's article, but they just dismissed me as not knowing what I was talking about. "Just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it's not accurate," according to them. As usual, they make the assumption that quilt historians don't believe in the Underground Railroad -- which of course is not the case, but they extrapolate our comments regarding the UGRR quilts to the entire UG movement -- and so I just referred them to Barbara's article on my website -- don't know if they ever checked it out, but I rather doubt it.

Marilyn M. Withrow Professional Quilt Appraiser, Show Judge, Historian, Speaker, Designer, Teacher Checotah, OK www.marilynquilts.com

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Subject: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Karen Alexander <karenquiltrockisland.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:17:19 -0800 X-Message-Number: 12

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGNIFICENT-STARS-STRIPES-Quilt-Made-Soldiers-SEE-/3 00665735766?pt=Quilts&hash=item4601130a56#ht_500wt_1413

Or

http://tinyurl.com/76yao66

I didn't think these Quilts of Valor labeled quilts would show up on eBay quite so quickly!!

Karen in the Islands

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Subject: Cincinnati Museum statement From: Sally Ward <sallytattersfastmail.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 19:59:45 +0000 X-Message-Number: 13

It seems to me that this one tactful, authoritative, and subtly unequivocal, paragraph is a more effective argument than pages of printout of reasonable research. My Mother was a woman of strong opinions, and as a warning to visitors my brother once inscribed, and hung in our kitchen, a quotation from Jonathan Swift :

'It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into'.

Sally Ward

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Crm793aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 16:21:16 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 14

That's too bad, the label doesn't have the name of a soldier but does have the maker's and quilter's name. Carolyn Miller

In a message dated 2/17/2012 12:17:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, karenquiltrockisland.com writes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAGNIFICENT-STARS-STRIPES-Quilt-Made-Soldiers-SEE-/3 00665735766?pt=Quilts&hash=item4601130a56#ht_500wt_1413

Or

http://tinyurl.com/76yao66

I didn't think these Quilts of Valor labeled quilts would show up on eBay quite so quickly!!

Karen in the Islands

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Subject: Re: UGRR quilt history & Cincinnati, Ohio museum From: textiqueaol.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:20:18 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 15

Connie,

I've followed the activities at the National Underground Railroad Freedom Center since they opened. To the best of my knowledge, they have always felt this way. David W. Blight spoke at their grand opening about 7 years ago. His book, " Passages to freedom", was released in conjunction with the event. Dr. Blight has been clear about this and the many other myths that evolved from the UGRR. 

I do a fair amount of research on the UGRR as it applies to the OH Valley and the code topic pops up from time to time. His comments on H-Slavery, and, to the staff at themuseum (as told to me) leave no doubt that it belongs in the field of folklore studies. A valid study, IMO, and one which Laurel has done quite well. Staffers told me they are as sick of this question asmany of us are. They address it with the facts, just as we do, but some people still 'prefer to believe it.' I think that is the best any of us can do with people who, first, choose a conclusion and, then, hand pick the information to 'prove' it. 

When you visit the center, please discuss your misgivings with them and letme know if I'm wrong. As I'm sure you know, Urbana and the Swedenborgs played an important role helping enslaved persons escape north. One of my husband's first cousins started the Johnny Appleseed Museum at the University. 

Thank you for the wonderful paragraph from the Freedom Center. I miss Ohioand her great history.

Jan Thomas

For years, I have chosen not to visit the National Underground Railroad Center

museum in Cincinnati, Ohio due to the fact that in its early days, it promoted the UGRR quilt myths. When you wrote to them regarding the lack of historical evidence about using quilts on the underground railroad, they just would not reply. If my memory serves me correctly, they also promoted lessons, activities, & programs about UGGR quilts which irritated many quilt history folks. After reviewing their web site today, apparently they have abandoned that position citing a lack of historical evidence for the UGRR quilt myth. They have 1.2 million visitors a year and have recently merged with the larger museum network in Cincinnati, Ohio. So they are spreading the word about this particular myth. 

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Jccullencrewaol.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:08:44 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 16

Hi, can someone please clarify something for me. Are the Quilts of Valor for any service person who serves in the military or just for those who were killed during the service period?

Or are the Civil War Quilts given only to those soldiers who died during the current Middle East situation?

I've heard of both but am not sure of their purpose. Thanks in advance. Carol Grace

In a message dated 2/17/2012 4:36:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Crm793aol.com writes:

That's too bad, the label doesn't have the name of a soldier but does have

the maker's and quilter's name. Carolyn Miller

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Dana Balsamo <danabalsamoyahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 14:45:14 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 17

That is very sad.Isn't there an AQSG member with that name?Is she on this list, too?My best,Dana_

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Subject: UGRR belivers From: sgmunseycomcast.net Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:12:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Message-Number: 18

To Linda and everyone else who has been faced with her dilemma: 

The UGRR myth, I am afraid has become more pernicious than George and the cherry tree! At least not many people have turned the cherry tree intoa huge business. But here is some ammunition for your.

 First of all: Google UGRR quilt myth. You will be overwhelmed with responses. But, here are a few reliable ones to start with.www.ugrrquilt.hartcottagequilts.com which follows the issue from thebeginning. www.historiccamdencounty.com contains the article of Giles Wright, the black history person for the State of NJ. He alsothoroughly debunked the planned UGRR quilt statue once planned in NYC. www.antiquequiltdating.com/UGRR has the Brackman handout sheet mentioned on QHL. And finally, www.quiltersmuse.com and select Historic Articles, then scan down to African American Issues, which contains Patricia Cummings articles about UGRR. I also found a National Park Service pieceabout the controversy as I scanned though the firsttwo Google pages. In Feb. 2011 the had a program about the issue. Interesting, because a few years ago NPS published a quilt display poster containing the usual impossible information plus!

 There is a good chance your outspoken quilter will never believe anything that anyone says. It does sound as if she read "Hidden in Plain View". Long beforeits publication, I heard the Professor put forward his theory about all black centered log cabin quilts being UGRR quilts at an academic presentation. I questioned his idea since thefew black centered log cabin quilts that I have seen over the years have been crazy quilts - clearly post Civil War. His response was as follows:"I have never seen one, but I know they are out there."Enough said about the HPV coauthor. However, copies of Brackman's handout, Giles Wright's comments, and any of the many materials on the Hart Cottage and Quilters Muse's sites are all well researched. However, from my viewpoint, I don't think you will lose any friends by providing information because they don't sound very friendly. If it were me, I think I wouldselect two or three of the above, and perhaps one of the more thoughtful reviews of HPV, and simply hand them out to the group members without being confrontational and making aonly a commentto the effect of whatquilt historians and others havefound. Even NPS is now taking the position that it is a controversial subject and providing information so people can "decide for themselves."

 

Good luck with however you decide to approach it. The facts need to be shared with all.

 

Sandra on Cape Cod

 

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Subject: A state history book for sale From: "Judy Grow" <judy.growcomcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 18:58:26 -0500 X-Message-Number: 19

I've got the New Mexico book, "Surviving the Winter" for sale.

By Dorothy R. Zopf, University of New Mexico Press. 2001

contact me for info.

Judy Grow judy.growcomcast.net

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Subject: Quilts in Presidential Libraries and Museums From: suereichcharter.net Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 20:34:39 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 20

With the help of quilt history researchers, the Connecticut Quilt Search Project and the American Quilt Study Group, I am able to begin to share the documentation of quilts in Presidential Libraries and Museums. Please check out the introduction on my web site and stay-tuned for the data to be uploaded on the quiltindex.org. The second documentation was on November 14, 2011 at the Dwight D. Eisenhower Presidential Library and Museum in Abilene, Kansas. Enjoy!

Go to www.coveringquilthistory - then to the left scroll bar to Quilts in Presidential Libraries and Museums

Sue Reich Washington Depot, Connecticut www.suereichquilts www.coveringquilthistory www.majorreichaward

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:58:17 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 21

I did E-mail the seller and asked her where she got the quilt. She said she bought it at Goodwill. I replied and suggested that she donate it to a soldier. Her answer was that I should buy it and donate it, so she could be reimbursed for the money she spent at the fundraiser.

I don't object to a quilt donated to Quilts of Valor being sold as a fundraiser for QOV. They claim to have donated 60756 quilts so far, and I am sure there are some expenses associated with that.

But this quilt isn't being auctioned by QOV or the maker or the quilter or the recipient. It's being sold by a someone who doesn't seem quite clear on how she came into possession of it. Since she is refusing to donate it to a soldier, I am going to assume she would refuse to donate any profit she makes on the sale as well.

There is just something morally wrong about all this. The shops and quilters that donated to this project did not do so in order for an Ebay seller to make a profit. They donated to benefit a man or woman who would lay down their lives to protect them.

I wonder if the maker and the quilter that donated their time, energy and talent to QOV knows that their quilt is now being used to make a profit for someone who obviously holds service members in such low regard.

Does anyone recognize this quilt? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300665735766

Kris

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: "Larry Wohlgemuth" <larrywgreenhills.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:12:35 -0600 X-Message-Number: 22

Well said. I find it very distasteful.

Sherrie Wohlgemuth missouri

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Arden Shelton <junkoramacomcast.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 00:48:18 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 1

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I would say that she probably got it through some QOV chain and instead of donating it, decided to sell it herself. It looks brand new! very tacky and low class......(Ms) Arden Shelton Portland, OR

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on ebay From: Stephen Schreurs <schreurs_ssyahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:44:18 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 2

I did some poking around on the internet, and found a list of local coordinators for QOVF. Here is the email I sent her.

 " I am a quilter from the Washington DC area who is a member of an on-line group called the Quilt History List. A member posted a link last evening to ebay, where a Quilt of Valor has been posted for sale. Thelist director reports that she contacted the seller to inquire how she got it, bur received an unsatisfactory answer, in my view.

The quilt is beautiful, and there are clear pictures. One picture is of the label, which shows the quilt was made by Carole, Oronoco, ME and quilted by Janice, Warner, NH in 2007. No soldier's name appears.

Members of our list have posted their queasiness about this. I decided to poke around the internet and see if I could locate a contact personfor QOVF who might think, like I do, that the QOVF might be interested in knowing about this.

Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/76yao66

Many of our members have been active in many aspects of supporting our soldiers and in making quilts for them. Thanks for all you do, and best wishes for all.

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Subject: Re: qhl digest: February 17, 2012 From: "Marilyn M. Withrow" <mmwmarilynquilts.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 12:41:54 -0600 X-Message-Number: 3

Home of the Brave quilts is a project begun by Don Beld in Southern California to honor deceased soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq, and these quilts are presented to the deceased's family -- spouse, children, parents, or whomever. Quilts of Valor was a project begun to present quilts to soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Now Quilts of Honor has expanded to not only honor those veterans, but others who have given military service. I have worked with all these projects at one time or another -- this quilt being sold on e-bay just makes my heart hurt. I hope I never run into this seller in a dark alley -- my milk of human kindness and understanding wouldn't be very sweet!

Marilyn M. Withrow Professional Quilt Appraiser, Show Judge, Historian, Speaker, Designer, Teacher Checotah, OK www.marilynquilts.com

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Jessica <vaughn8047msn.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 09:01:47 -0700 X-Message-Number: 4

I am part of the Colorado QOV group and coordinate/make/donate between 15-25 quilts per year for this cause. I am bitter, bitter, to see this posting on ebay. The seller evidently hasn't been "touched" by a wounded soldier lately! Shame on her!

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Jocelyn Martin <martinjocelynrocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:38:47 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 5

Kris,Alas, we have to keep in mind that not everyone treasures quilts like we do. The original veteran may have donated it to Goodwill over ambivalence about being a 'hero'. He may have donated it because he was becoming homeless, and couldn't keep all his possessions. It could have been donated by a surviving family member who couldn't bear to keep a memorial to the war and the wounds that took their loved one.While it would be nice forit to have been donated to another veteran, it was a gift...and once given, the donor no longer controls where it goes. I have a chestful of quilts and quilt tops that certainly the donors never intended would end up withme...I wonder how many of them were created as special gifts for someone. It would be wonderful if all handmade textiles continued to be loved and cherished by successive generations of their maker's family, but that doesn't happen. Maybe it's a matter of 'too soon'...but the majority of Quiltsof Valor are going to end up with non-veteran owners, aren't they?Jocelyn________________________________ ---1952832855-1215651604-1329604727=:16964--

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Subject: Re: UGRR quilts on the February 16, 2012 Digest From: Jocelyn Martin <martinjocelynrocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 14:29:06 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 6

"Just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it's not accurate," 'Slaves did not travel north on an underground railroad. Instead they went to the nearest airport and boarded dirigibles for the trip. This was safe enough because the rifles of the day were not capable of shooting down aircraft.''A powerful charm against being caught was the Bunny Hop. Slaveswould line up, place their hands on the hips of the person in front of them, and hop forwards and backwards, although predominantly forwards. Slave owners perceived this to be powerful voodoo, and ran away terrorized insteadof apprehending the slaves.''The truly unique aspect of UGRR quilts is that they were all made by men.''Once north, the escaped slaves would mail the quilts back to their relatives, to be used on the next trip north.''On some plantations, slaves knitted afghans with a code in them; on other plantations, the blacksmiths created maps worked into the farming implements slaves used.'There, that's 5 minutes contribution to themythology of the UGRR.Jocelyn

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Donna Stickovich <donna.stickovichyahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 15:01:32 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 7

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Subject: QOV quilts From: Stephen Schreurs <schreurs_ssyahoo.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:36:57 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 8

Well, yes, most of the quilts we make will end up with different owners, some day.

What I found unsettling about this one was that despite having a label as aQOV, its new condition and the absence of a name in a space on the label made for that purpose suggest that the quilt might never have reached an intended destination. That is really a shame.

My thought, in sending a note to a QOV coordinator, was that they might have an interest in the quilt if it had been missing, and also in deciding forthemselves as an organization how they might want to handle such things. It just seems kind of soon, to me, for these quilts to be showing up inthe marketplace, although I suppose hard times may be the answer. Still...

I'll let the group know if I hear anything pertinent in reply. Otherwise, I'll go back to work on more immediate things, such as the red white and blue quilt currently under way.

Susan, north of DC, where talk of snow is everywhere, but like so much in this town, it is probably all just talk.

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Subject: Fw: UGRR quilts From: carylschuetzyahoo.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 10:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 9

Stephanie and Linda,>Unfortunately some quilt shops teach the UGRR quilt that is from Eleanor Burns' book. She has done so muchto perpetuate the myth with that book. Since so many quilters like her and her books, they believe in the myth. And what will make it even moredifficult for us historians is that she is the inductee of the Quilters Hall of Fame this year. >>I have come across quite a few of these quilts in my area, and the makers are believers.Caryl Schuetz ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: QOV quilts From: Quilltraol.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 21:13:24 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 10

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Susan, I was just about to ask if that's what the label not having a name might mean. Thanks for the info. I hope it hasn't been misdirected, and really did get into her hands by one of the more charitable explanations.

Lisa

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Subject: Re: Fw: UGRR quilts From: Laurie Magee and Tom Blajeski <lamlib47gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:18:27 -0600 X-Message-Number: 11

I saw one of those in a small quilt show today! Laurie(wintering on SPI, TX)

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: "Larry Wohlgemuth" <larrywgreenhills.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 00:38:28 -0600 X-Message-Number: 1

Yes, but, who is to say that it ever got to a veteran in the first place? That is my concern. I have donated many quilts to many different causes and once, has a lady try to keep the quilt and not sell it for the cause it was intended for.

Just a thought.

Sherrie Wohlgemuth Missouri

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 07:03:16 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 2

Sherry echos my concern. The problem with the QOV quilt on Ebay is that the seller doesn't state in the auction how she came by it. When you E-mail her privately, she gives a different answer to each inquiry. It's hard to give her the benefit of the doubt when she is behaving in such a suspicious manner.

Equally troubling is QOV's refusal to respond to any inquiry made on this subject. Their website indicates that they only give quilts to people who request them, so how did this one end up being sold for profit by someone other than the recipient? They must know who received it - is it too much to ask that they contact the original recipient and confirm that it wasn't stolen?

If the quilt wasn't stolen, there isn't much anyone can do. Once a quilt it is given away, it belongs to the recipient to do with as they please. The Ebay seller has the right to refuse to donate it as was the original intention. The designer of the quilt CAN ask Ebay to take down the auction as a copyright violation if she designed that quilt to be a donation and not a commercial product. But that's about all that can be done.

I suppose the moral of this story is that we should all keep our donations close to home.

Kris

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Sheryl Till <sctillearthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:13:47 -0600 X-Message-Number: 3

On 2/19/2012 9:03 AM, Kris Driessen wrote: > I suppose the moral of this story is that we should all keep our donations close to home. > > Our guild's past president has a close friend in Washington who is a retired colonel from the military. We send our quilts (not QOV) directly to him and he along with his wife hand delivers them to service men/women in the hospital there in DC.

-- Sheryl in South Louisiana GMQ + Juki TL98E---coming soon: 22" Innova + Lightning Stitch + PantoVision

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Subject: Unidentified QOV on Ebay From: suereichcharter.net Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:46:47 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 4

Certainly, Ebay has a mechanism to report potentially stolen goods or fraud. Has anyone thought of that? Since the quilt was never inscribed with the soldier recipient's name. It is suspicious.

Sue Reich Washington Depot, Connecticut

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Subject: quilt of valor on Ebay From: <kmoore81austin.rr.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:01:04 -0600 X-Message-Number: 5

I echo Kris comments about the existence of this quilt for sale on Ebay. It doesn=99t seem right that a quilt made for one of our young wounded soldiers should now be for sale at a profit. But it occurs to me that that soldier or her/his family may have offered it for auction to raise funds for Goodwill without realizing that it would end up being sold for profit. They didn=99t mean disrespect, but the Ebay merchant should be helped to realize that what she is doing is not in accordance with the original intent of the maker(s) and donor(s) of the quilt AND that it is indeed disrespectful to everyone involved.

The least she could do is donate it to the QOV organization so it can be recycled in a beneficial way.

Would a flurry of emails from interested and dismayed QHLers make a difference?

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Subject: Civil War Quilts From: donbeldpacbell.net Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:29:32 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 6

Thanks Linda and Kris for your kind comments about Pam's and my book. Pam spent a lot of time and research effort on the information in the book; w

I'm not pushing the book; but wanted to comment on Kris comment about the availability of Civil War quilts out there. The Soldiers quilts--of whichwe talk about the sixteen known surviving quilts--are primarily utility--public service--quilts. So there rarely is anything fancy about them. Photographs of all but two (photos of whichfor particular, appropriate reasons were not included) are found in the book; as well as a collection of other Civil War era and pre-Civil War era, i.e., 1840-1860, enscribed (signature) blocks that I found in existing quilts. So if you want period acurate patterns you can find them in the book.

Here again, I'm not pushing the book; it was great fun to write and great fun to work with Pam and that really is more than enough reward. best, Don Beld

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Jccullencrewaol.com Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:55:03 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 7

Greetings all,

I sent the e-mail about the e-bay QOV to a long-time quilter friend in OK, and she felt the quilt was most likely stolen because "it is a hard quilt to make and not likely to be a QOV" for that reason. Here's part of her e-mail below after I asked her if she was familiar with the e-bay quilt.

"Guess what--I do know that quilt--it's from a book called Knockout Blocks and Sampler Quilts by Judy Martin. Page 44. In Fact I have it in my bedroom almost exactly like it. I got my only ever 2nd place ribbon in a quilt show with that quilt."

So here another quilter's thoughts on the subject. It sounds like it'll be a long time before anything is resolved. Carol Grace

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Subject: finding old patterns From: donbeldpacbell.net Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:03:40 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 8

I wanted to clarify what I was trying to talk about in my last post. Kris was talking about finding Civil War era or other era appropriate patterns--and how there are many "Civil War" quilts in a search engine search that obviously are modified or redone patterns that wouldn't have been found in an old quilt.

TheI way I find old patterns is very simple: I use the Quilt Index--they have the ability to sort patterns by eras. By looking at those quilts--andespecially enscribed, dated, sampler quilts--you can find a wealth of old patterns. The same is true by going through the state books and other reference books like Robert Shaw's early book.

I then recreate the pattern as I found it on my EQ7 program. No old pattern or old quilt can any longer be copyrighted; so recreating the pattern is okay. You can then use the pattern in your "new" old quilt.

A particular fun one I found this way is an unusual cross like pattern with a curve that I have only found in the Hingham, Mass Sanitary Commission quilt--it is named in Brackman in the 1890's as Greek Cross and the 1930's as Ice Cream Cone, but I have never seen it in another quilt. It is a fun block that is just unusual enough to make it very interesting when used in a quilt.

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Jocelyn Martin <martinjocelynrocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:11:58 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 9

My student's husband was seriously wounded, but survived. So some quilts are being given to those in the Wounded Warrior program, but it's possible that QoV only go to the survivors of a deceased service person.

Jocelyn_

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Jocelyn Martin <martinjocelynrocketmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:09:36 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 10

Sherrie,I have to admit, that possibility didn't occur to me until afterI wrote my note.I was thinking about a student of mine whose husband received one...she told me it was so nice to put down on the floor and let the kids roll up in it to watch TV. I just about choked. But it was their quilt...if it doesn't last til their kids are adults (and it probably won't), it's their choice not to make it an heirloom. Jocelyn________________________________ --

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Subject: Re: [Spam] Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: "Judy Grow" <judy.growcomcast.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:45:25 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11

QOV go to soldiers who are wounded, often while still on-station overseas, and often at the very first aid station they are brought to. But at the QOV website, when you tell them you have a quilt ready to send you can shoose whom to send it .

" The mission of the Quilts of Valor Foundation is to cover ALL combat servicemembers and veterans touched by war with comforting and healing Quilts of Valor."

"A Quilt of Valor is a generous lap-sized quilt (minimum of 55 X 65) made by a quilt-topper (the piecer) of quality fabrics and beautiofully quilted by a longarmer. After it has been bound, washed, labeled and wrapped in a presentation case, it is ready to be awarded. Quilts are awarded at many different levels: they may go to military hospitals where Chaplains award them to service members; there may be presentations of QOV's to entire service units returning from combat deployments; they may be awarded at VA's or presented individually. But no matter how a Quilt of Valor is given, the impact it delivers is unequivocal. As one recipient said "My quilt isn't another military medal to be placed in a box and sit on my shelf. I was moved to tears." - SSgt RC, US Army, Iraq '05

Just how much of an impact has the Quilts of Valor Foundation made? As of February, 2011 there have been over 37,000 quilts awarded to service members/veterans. "

Judy Grow

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My student's husband was seriously wounded, but survived. So some quilts are being given to those in the Wounded Warrior program, but it's possible that QoV only go to the survivors of a deceased service person.

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Subject: Re: Quilts of Valor on eBay From: Bonnie Dwyer <bonniedwyerroadrunner.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 21:08:00 -0500 X-Message-Number: 12

This is appalling. I have just sent an email alert about this to the QOV coordinator for the region that includes Maine and NH. Will let you know when I hear back. Bonnie Dwyer

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Subject: Re: Civil War Quilts From: Quilltraol.com Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:09:44 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 13

Don, I agree this is a fabulous book. I called a friend who had also ordered it, although months later, and told her how much she will love it. I also received the book on Amish Quilts and the Welsh Connection that was mentioned on this list, and it is also very informative.

Lisa

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In a message dated 2/19/2012 2:50:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, donbeldpacbell.net writes:

Here again, I'm not pushing the book; it was great fun to write and great fun to work with Pam and that really is more than enough reward. best, Don Beld

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Subject: RE: Pictures of an UGRR CODE Quilt? From: Gaye Ingram <gingramsuddenlink.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 0:48:16 -0600 X-Message-Number: 1

I have gotten behind in reading my email and have just now gone through recent posts re UGRR and accidentally deleted several.

Would it be possible to designate with an asterisk any future posting that includes links to videotapes of quilt-guided UGRR escapes?

Those are the ones I want to be sure to open.

Thanks in advance, Gaye Ingram

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Subject: UGRR exhibit at Lehman college - Ug-r-r-r-r-r! From: suereichcharter.net Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:43:35 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 2

Robert Charles Hudson, a sculptor and quiltmaker from Connecticut will have an exhibit at Lehman College this month. The topic is "Above the Underground Railroad, Stories in Quilts and Canvas. Here is a quote from the newspaper article,

"In celebration of Black History Month, Lehman College is hosting the exhibit, which features ten multimedia installations that include hand crafted quilts that pay homage to the clandestine route taken by those escaping slavery in the south.

The quilts detail the complex and creative methods slaves used to communicate with one another.

They represent specific coded images that were once used to guide escaping slaves during their journey to freedom, such as "Log Cabin," a pattern that indicated the location of a safe house."

http://tinyurl.com/7fncdrr

Sue Reich Washington Depot, Connecticut web sites: suereichquilts.com go to http://tinyurl.com/7ustpd8 www.coveringquilthistory go to http://tinyurl.com/878berh www.majorreichaward go to http://tinyurl.com/6wc66p5

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Subject: Re: quilt of valor on Ebay From: florencemcconnellcomcast.net Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 11:50:03 -0800 X-Message-Number: 3

While I fully understand some of the concerns and sadness raised about the QOV quilt for sale on ebay, a prior e-mail indicated 60,756 quilts have been made and donated to QOV. Some who received a quilt may not have had the same regard for the quilt as the makers of the quilts, and to others, the quilt could represent a very sad memory. Over the years, many of these quilts will be kept and passed down in families who appreciate and love the quilt but others will be given away or sold.

Perhaps we should remember the intent of the quilt maker, appreciate their thought and kindness, and not sit in judgment of anyone who has later involved with the quilt. How many quilts have been given away or sold for profit that were intended for soldiers (or their families) from the civil war and all the other wars? In fact, having a market for these quilts has served to preserve them and keep their history alive.

Just a thought, but how about focusing on all the quilts that were received and loved by the soldiers and their families rather than the ones that ended up with "different lives".

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Subject: Quilts of Valor From: ibquiltncomcast.net Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 06:34:33 -0500 X-Message-Number: 4

Just want to say that I know a man who is a part time employee at our local library, retired but needs a little extra income. He is a proud Vietnam Veteran. He is Commander at the local Amvets and has helped NH tremendously with the NH Home of the Brave Quilt project.

This man received a quilt of valor as he was wounded in Vietnam and is is among his most prized possessions. I belong to a few different quilt groups that meet at the library, and this proud man brought his quilt of valor to show to us all.

He tells us that he is building a wooden rack for it and it is going to hang on one wall of his living room.

I truly believe that the majority of veterans who receive these quilts treasure them and know what goes into the making of one.

Just felt I wanted to share.

I have been greatly upset about this one QOV on ebay, and feel that it must be stolen. The only thing I would recognize about it being there was if the organization, itself, needed money and decide to put a few of them on ebay to raise funds, but as it's not identified as such, I feel it has to be "ill gotten".

Just my humble opinion.

Linda Heminway

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Subject: Re: quilt of valor on Ebay From: Bonnie Dwyer <bonniedwyerroadrunner.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:03:11 -0500 X-Message-Number: 5

I agree. The only problem I have is that this quilt appears to never have been presented to a soldier (the label leaves a blank area for the recipient's name), which begs the question: how was it acquired? I just spoke with the regional coordinator for Maine & NH where the quilt was made. She will look into this and get back to me. I'll keep you posted. Bonnie Dwyer On Feb 19, 2012, at 2:50 PM, Florence McConnell wrote: > Some who received a quilt may not have had the same regard > for the quilt as the makers of the quilts, and to others, the quilt > could > represent a very sad memory. Over the years, many of these quilts > will be > kept and passed down in families who appreciate and love the quilt but > others will be given away or sold.

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Subject: Re: quilt of valor on Ebay From: Xenia Cord <xenialegacyquilts.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:13:51 -0500 X-Message-Number: 6

Just raising this question: who would have been responsible for writing in the name of the recipient on the label?

I can think of a lot of reasons why it might not have been written in immediately. If the quilt was given at Landsduhl (I sent over 100 quilts there) where the wounded come from down range, there may not have been time to do more than hand it over before the soldier was transferred to a state-side facility. The person giving the quilt to a wounded warrior may not have seen the label, may not have had the right instrument with which to add the name. Same goes for the recipient... and once he or she owned the quilt, may not have seen a need to put a name in that blank (sort of like not writing on the backs of pictures, because you know who is pictured.)

Xenia

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Subject: Reply from QOV coordinator From: Stephen Schreurs <schreurs_ssyahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 08:13:12 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 7

As promised, here is the reply which I received this morning from the QOV coordinator.

Susan, Thank you for contacting me about this quilt. We at Quilts of Valor Foundation are trying to do all we can to stop this sale. It is shameful that making money comes above what quilters such as you and all the others that are out there making quilts to help others are doing. I hope we reach the seller and she sends the quilt to the foundation. Please have allthat can contact her to stop this sale. Quilting to Honor and Comfort, Marie McSwine MAine RC QOVFQuoting Stephen Schreurs <schreurs_ssyahoo.com>:

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Subject: Re: Reply from QOV coordinator From: Donna Stickovich <donna.stickovichyahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 13:15:39 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 8

________________________________ From: Donna Stickovich <donna.stickovichyahoo.com> To: Quilt History List <qhllyris.quiltropolis.com> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [qhl] Reply from QOV coordinator

Would it be ok if I bought it for my son in law who has been in Iraq give times?

Sent from my iPhone

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Subject: ebay From: Donna Stickovich <donna.stickovichyahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:21:39 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 9

How would you feel if I bought the quilt for my son in law who has served 5 times in Iraq? ---2114655128-1510637249-1329776499=:38719--

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Subject: Re: UGRR exhibit at Lehman college - Ug-r-r-r-r-r! From: Mitzioakesaol.com Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:21:53 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 10

Sue - will this ever end???? Maybe we should just add this to the cherry tree that Washington cut down and the blue dress that Monica wore (but the President never had sex with her)......I will probably have to hear a lot about this as a volunteer again at the Shelburne Museum's quilt exhibit coming up...... Mitzi from green Vermont  

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Subject: Re: ebay From: Xenia Cord <xenialegacyquilts.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:23:26 -0500 X-Message-Number: 11

Donna, I think that's a great idea. While we all apparently frown on the seller profiting from the quilt, ultimately that would allow it to go to an extremely deserving serviceman; we should all feel good about that.

Xenia

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Subject: Re: ebay and UGRR From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessenyahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:01:57 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 12

What quilt activists we are!

I am annoyed by the unpatriotic and mercenary attitude of the seller of the QOV quilt on Ebay. I understand that QOV can't prove it was stolen, but the seller has been declining to show it was lawfully obtained. Donna, you can do what you want BUT if does turn out to be stolen, your son will have to return it.

That said, probably the whole thing will get dropped. (sigh)

Since I am still in activist mode, I sent an E-mail to both the newspaper and Lehman college asking them politely to check their facts and PLEASE honor the real heros of the UGRR.

I am awful cranky for such nice weather:-))

Kris

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Subject: Re: ebay From: Donna Stickovich <donna.stickovichyahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:40:31 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 13

I will try to win!!

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Subject: green fabric info -- xenia From: ikwlt <ikwltyahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:40:55 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 14

as i'm going thru saved digests and collecting information, i'm questioningthe 1770 date for the "acid green" in xenia's post of feb. 3. could someone confirm if this should not have read 1870 which is a more likely timeframe for this color?"Some early attempts at fast green are documented: This from J.N.Lyles, a dye historian, in The Art and Craft of Natural Dyeing, 1990: Scheele's green (blue-stone sage, green arsenic sage, or arsenic sage) appeared about 1770, and while it was lightfast on cotton, linen, and paper, it was extremely poisonous. Xenia Cord"thanx so much to xenia or anyone else who might be able to shed light on this.patti ---

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Subject: eleanor burns ugrr From: ikwlt <ikwltyahoo.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:46:53 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 16

<snip> Unfortunately some quilt shops teach the UGRR quilt that is from Eleanor Burns' book. She has done so muchto perpetuate the myth with that book. Since so many quilters like her and her books, they believe in the myth. And what will make it even more difficult for us historians is that she is the inductee of the Quilters Hall of Fame this year. I have come across quite a few of these quilts in my area, and the makers are believers.=3D Caryl Schuetz <snip>i was very anxious to see the eleanor burns book when it first came out and must say i was pleasantly surprised. in the beginning of her book she does say that the story of the ugrr quilt code came from one woman's oral story. i don't have the book or would quote it here for everyone. --- the bad thing is that basically noone reads that, or if they do it is skimmed briefly and unless you are looking for it as a disclaimer it won't be noticed. i've approached our local quilt shop where it is taught as a class and repeatedly reminded the teacher to be sure to explain the origin of the story in the context it was originally given when she begins the class. who knows if it does any good,but i think every little bit helps. things are much better these days than they were when the HIPV book came out and i know it is because of quilthistorians and word of mouth. does anyone know if that roadside rest incedar county iowa that displayed the quilt blocks is still in existence?patti_

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Subject: Re: eleanor burns ugrr From: textiqueaol.com Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 21:36:54 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Number: 17

Patti,

Still there as of last fall. Go to the end of this blog post to see what she's writing about. This quilt shop owner is from Chillicothe, Ohio. 

http://www.creationssewclever.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=3D2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=3D2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=3D9

Jan Thomas