July 14 - July 20, 1997

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Oral History & Documentation, Quilt Dating

These restored messages come from the Quilt History List, an online forum where quilt historians, collectors, researchers, appraisers, and enthusiasts discussed antique quilts and related textiles. The archive dates from 1996 through approximately 2016 and is being restored gradually. Sign up in the form at the bottom of the page if you want to know when a new page is added. Original spelling, opinions, formatting, and inactive links may remain unchanged.

Primary topics of this QHL Digest:

Debating How to Handle Cheap Import Quilts — The “cheap quilts sold as antiques” thread continues, weighing public education against the risk of embarrassing well-meaning buyers.
English & Foundation Paper Piecing Techniques — Follow-up tips, including a freezer-paper foundation method and a paper-piece supplier, build on the prior week’s history discussion. (see the article on quilting in Europe)
A New Vintage Quilt & Textiles Society Forms — Lisa Erlandson announces a new group for vintage and antique quilt and textile collectors, forming in Plano, Texas.
Quilt Shows and Travel Planning — Members share show listings in Michigan, Florida, and England, plus trip-planning tips for British quilt history research.
AQS Appraiser Certification Program — Details on class schedules, costs, and certification steps for the American Quilter’s Society appraiser program circulate among interested members. (see the article on quilt appraisers)

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:57:08 -0400 (EDT) | From: Quilt97 [at] aol [dot] com

Can’t remember who on which list asked about patterns for cowboy and horse,
but unexpectedly came across some while looking for something else.

The books is Quilts To Make For Kids; publisher, Better Homes and Gardens.
ISBN 0-696-01908-6

Has cowboy, horse, football, ftball helmet, sailboat, lthouse, farm animals,
and a play barn. Also ball, kite, car, panda, etc., for crib quilts.

Elisabeth

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:58:09 -0400 (EDT) | From: SAERoy [at] aol [dot] com

In a message dated 97-07-13 23:31:51 EDT, QHL-Digest-request [at] cue [dot] com writes:

<< what DO you who are quilters think about
trying to bring attention to non-quilters about these cheap quilts? >>

I think that people do need to know how to identify cheap quilts. I
personally own both cheap quilts and good quilts. The cheap quilts are for
the cats, nieces and nephews to play on, sleep on and have a good time
without me worrying about them ruining something that’s important to me. It
seems like in the quilt history books I’ve been reading that even in the old
days, there was a distinction between utility quilts and good quilts. The
good quilts were rarely used and only brought out on special occasions. Many
have survived thanks to this special treatment. The utility quilts were used
for everything and many did not survive the wear and tear. So, since my
quilting time is limited, the quilts I make and the antique quilts I collect
are only brought out on special occasions because I want them to stay in good
condition. I don’t have time to make utility quilts, so I buy cheap quilts
for that purpose.

I think it’s important that people understand the difference between a quilt
with excellent workmanship and/or sentimental value and ones that are mass
produced to sell for under $100. To take one of these cheap quilts, remove
the tag and then represent it as something else is wrong. Anything we can do
to educate potential buyers about how to identify mass-produced quilts would
help stop these sellers from taking unfair advantage of people.

I’m interested in the TX adventure. Where can I get more information?

Sharon in Ft. Worth where it’s really hot and sunny.

p.s. I’m fairly new to this group and have really enjoyed all the sharing of
information.

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 00:16:02 -0400 (EDT) | From: Kittencat3 [at] aol [dot] com

It’s great to be back, after many, many computer problems (don’t ask) – looks
like things have been lively in my absence.

Three things: first, the quilted Northern commercial I saw tonight featured
the ladies *quilting*, not knitting. Since I’d seen the other version just
this weekend, I get the distinct feeling they changed it! Looks like the
quilters united did it again…:)

Second, Audrey’s history of paper piecing was fascinating. I just wanted to
add that this *may* have originated with paper backed applique. Schnuppe von
Gwinner’s =History of the Patchwork Quilt= has a picture of a 15th century
appliqued banner wherein the applique was backed with thin paper. I wouldn’t
be surprised if there was a connection, but once again we’re running into The
Moth Problem…:(

Finally, in response to Bobbi Finley’s question about whether we took
quilting to China or vice versa: it was vice versa. Quilting probably
originated in the Far East – applique certainly did, and enough extremely
early patchwork and quilted pieces have turned up along the Silk Road that it
seems quilting started in the east and travelled west along the trade routes.
Commercial quilting in areas like India was a thriving export industry by
the early 17th century, when the Portuguese imported silk and linen
wholecloth and embroidered quilts, as well as “pintadoe” or palampore quilts.
The National Museum in Lisbon has a couple dozen excellent examples,
including some from China in the late 17th or early 18th centuries. Some of
these quilts were done to suit western tastes (the Elizabethan hunters
surrounded by Indian motifs in the borders of one are particularly
incongruous), but the tradition definitely pre-dates colonization and/or the
American China trade.

Hope this helps!

Lisa Evans
Springfield, MA

Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:32:17 -0700 | From: “Karlene Bradley” <karlyb [at] hotmail [dot] com> (by way of Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrs [at] mail [dot] albany [dot] net>)

This is my first message on QHL – I’ve been lurking for awhile.
I saw a recent item (maybe it was on QHL but I didn’t write down
source) that was reported in the Louisville Quilt Journal about
a 16th century patchwork banner in France. Does anyone have any
info on this? Or how to get a copy of the article in the Quilt
Journal? Karlyb

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:25:08, -0500 | From: LVQG24A [at] prodigy [dot] com ( ELIZABETH K DONALDSON)

Just some quick notes. The Capitol City Quilt Guild of Lansing,
Michigan is having a quilt show this weekend. Sat. July 19 from 10am-
4pm and Sun. July 20 from 10am-3pm. Over 200 beautiful quilts
including many charm quilts (some featured in the book Charm Quilts,
to be released this October), antique quilts, challenge quilts, etc.
Also Vendors, raffle quilt and silent auction. E-mail me privately
for directions.

Also to the member who is traveling east from MN, are you traveling
through MI? E-mail me for a tour of good MI quilt stuff if you are.

Beth in hot humid Lansing

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 97 06:36:26 -0500 | From: princess [at] mdn [dot] net

Thank you, Audrey, for the history! I appreciate your quick response.

Rosalie wanted the company where I get paper pieces for this. I haven’t had
good luck finding them in stores, but the name on the package goes like this:
Paper Pieces, PO Box 2931, Redmond WA 98073-2931, (206) 867-1537. I’ve asked
the shop (where I’m going to teach this) to contact them and stock the pieces
(I promised I would buy them, if nothing else). I know she called and left a
message (but I don’t know if there was a response yet). The papers are pretty
sturdy and can be used several times before discarding.

Anne Sturtevant
Midland, MI
princess [at] mdn [dot] net

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:19:14 -0400 (EDT) | From: RBCochran [at] aol [dot] com

Several of you have inquired to which catalogue I was referring in a recent
post. I was replying to the postings on palampores, and the mention of a
Dutch manufacturer

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:42:08 -0400 (EDT) | From: RBCochran [at] aol [dot] com

Oh, boy–never double click those computer buttons Sorry about the
double post–I tried to call it back.
Anyway, as I was saying. . .
Several of you have inquired to which catalogue I was referring in a
recent post. I was replying to the postings on palampores, and the mention
of a Dutch manufacturer. I have no commercial interest in this company, but
have been impressed by the authenticity and quality of their products. The
name and address is:
Den Haan & Wagenmakers
Nw. Zijdsvoorburgwal 97-99
1012 RE Amsterdam, Holland
Tel. 31- (0)20-6202525
FAX 31-(0)20-6239374

You can order (and charge) the catalogue (somewhat expensive, $10 as I
recall), which is a worthwhile document of the chintzes that the company
reproduces. The company prints fabrics based on antique patterns from the
Netherlands Open Air Museum in Arnhem and from its own collection. As they
say in the catalogue “many of the original designs which we use were brought
back during the 17th and 18th centuries by merchants trading for the East
India Company, others are taken from the colllections of Overtooms Welvaren
the famous 18th century Amsterdam cotton printer and others from Non Plus
Ultra from Rotterdam.” They also have more modern Dutch fabrics, including
Dutch plaids, wax prints, farmer handkerchiefs, and garden prints. I warn
you, if you are looking for a palampore, they have a gorgeous 88″ x 70″
panel, hand printed cotton–but extremely expensive.
If any of you have the book QUILTS: the Dutch Tradition by An Moonen, there
are quilts dated 1700-1750 (p.35) and 1750-1800 (p.47) you can see examples
of the fabrics on which the reproductions are based. I’d also recommend the
book: it’s in Dutch and English, but difficult to find (pub. 1992). An
Moonen has written another book– ‘t is al Beddegoet: antique Dutch quilts
1650-1900–which has not been translated into English, but the photos are
great.
I don’t intend this to be an advertisement: I hope this information will
provide additional resources for those interested in historical reproduction
fabrics. If anyone wants to e-mail me, I’d be happy to provide as much more
specific info as I can.
–Rachel in NJ

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:36:09 -0400 (EDT) | From: JZgliniec [at] aol [dot] com

Dear Kris,

PLEASE please repost the address of the Dutch Catalog. AOL bumped me off
while I was reading the post about the Open Air Museum , with the address,
I had not saved it yet…..Its gone !

Rachel…..if you were the one to send the post , Please repost it to me

Thank you so much,
Julia

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:53:59 -0700 | From: lrobins [at] cclink [dot] fhcrc [dot] org (laurarm)

Bobbi told an interesting story about a 1791 quilt from China, and
asked for other information on quiltmaking there.

My grandparents lived in China in the mid 1920s and collected many
pieces of Chinese embroideries. Among the stash I inherited, there
are a couple unusual (that is, not traditional Chinese) pieces:
2 pieces of blue on white cross stitch depicting a colonial lady doing
needlework, in silhouette, and an American-style applique quilt top
or coverlet.

Now, it’s possible that Grandma acquired these in the States and was
mistaken (forgetful) when she told me they came from China with the
rest. But the other possibility is that Americans took advantage of
the labor in China and the excellent needlework skills to have
American-style pieces made. Individuals might have commissioned
specific works, or there might have been a whole industry, albeit
small, producing pieces that would appeal to American tastes. Most
foreigners had several servants, including someone who would sew and
mend, so it makes perfect sense that the seamstress might have been
asked to make decorative pieces in whatever style the employer wanted.
(Not unlike the old southern quilts and needlework attributed to
slaves.)

I look forward to other information from the group.

Laura in Seattle

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:29:56 -0400 (EDT) | From: Sue <erroof [at] alpha [dot] wcoil [dot] com>

Audrey and All,
Thanks for the great history of English Paper Piecing, it may help with the
confusion with Foundation Paper Piecing. Has anyone ever tried using freezer
paper for the foundation? Press the seam allowance to the waxie (sp) side
and eliminate the basting. Did a fragmented star this way and the center was
perfect.

Sue in Hot and Humid NW Ohio

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:53:25 -0700 | From: all <all [at] idt [dot] net>

I’ve been following the thread about poorly made
imported quilts with mixed feelings. I hate to see
people in any country exploited and here, I think, the
people who make the quilts are exploited as are
the unsuspecting/uninformed people who buy the
quilts.

But there is a lesson in this for all of us, I think.
Remember, we can see the fraud in this practice because
we know something more than the average person about
quilts and quilting. It is one thing when someone buys a
clearly labeled $40 quilt from a store or catalog; but quite
another thing when that same quilt is sold as an <antique>
to an innocent buyer for a high price. In this case, it
would be hard for one of us to be taken in by this kind
of unscrupulous vendor because of our special knowledge.
But how about our purchases in areas about which we are less
knowledgeable? I think this tells us to look carefully at
each purchase we make and try to become intelligent,
informed consumers.

Now, off the soap box and back to work. . .

Adelaide

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:28:32 -0400 | From: Jody Bordner <QltgRose [at] gte [dot] net>

Yes, Alan, I knew a lady who had the kind of antiques I will NEVER own,
and she had service for 12+ of porcelain that was made in the late
1700’s. It had a mark on it very similar to what you are describing.
Some of her pieces were the from the FIRST firing of this particular
pattern, it was a blue and white design and alot of the dishes had
pierced work around the edges! I see modern knock offs of this type all
the time. Their was a diamond shape, with a “1” and then a straight line
below and more numbers. Some pieces even had little chunks of the coal
used to fire kiln embedded on the edge. It was wonderful going to this
womans house–like stepping into a private museum!

I dont know if it would be practical for quilts, but it definitely makes
the china worth more $ according to this lady….

Jody

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:11:43 -0700 | From: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrs [at] mail [dot] albany [dot] net>

I received this inquiry from Chris Schuler (cschule3 [at] slism [dot] slis [dot] ua [dot] edu)
It is an interesting question. Any experts out there know the answer?

>I’m interested in learning restoration. Do courses/apprenticeships/maybe
>entry level job opportunities exist?
>

Kris

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 23:01:38 -0400 | From: “R. Shink” <mcr2 [at] musica [dot] mcgill [dot] ca>

Dear Kris. I am leaving for Vermont Quilt Festival in the morning anf then
off to a variety of cottages for the nextmonth. I hope that I do not have
withdrawal symptoms from my lack of access to a computer. I have really
enjoyed your info and talks and look forward to getting back on line in Sept
. Have a great summer from Diane in hot steamy Montreal this is when I wish
our old house was all air conditioned .

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 06:36:31 -0500 | From: princess [at] mdn [dot] net

I got the catalog from the company called Paper Pieces. It looks as if they
have paper hexagons from 1/2″ to 2″ (when you measure along just one of the
sides). They even talk about their 1/4″ (not a typo) hexagon for miniature
quilts (you know, the ones you’d need to pick up with tweezers).

It looks like the area code may have changed, here’s the number listed:
(425) 867-1537.

Anne Sturtevant
Midland, MI
princess [at] mdn [dot] net

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:19:18 -0400 (EDT) | From: JQuilt [at] aol [dot] com

The post about the new Vintage Quilt & Textile Society that is being formed..
Clearly states for further info please e-mail
Lisa Erlandson at her e-mail address… (erland [at] cooke [dot] net)..
or Laura Syler at her e-mail address..(texas_quilt.co [at] airmail [dot] net)

Please don’t fill up our QHL list with all of those Me Too, Me Toos…
TIA
Jean
–

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:55:52 -0500 (CDT) | From: Lisa Erlandson <erland [at] cooke [dot] net>

A new group is being formed for those interested in vintage and antique
quilts and textiles called the Vintage Quilt & Textiles Society. We will be
holding a “forming” meeting in Plano Texas on Aug. 8 at 10 a.m. Anyone in
the area that wants to attend, please email for further directions.
We will be offering a newsletter and in the future a web site, conferences,
etc. There is a membership form and dues are required. If you would like
further info, please send your snail mail address to me or to Laura Syler
(texas_quilt.co [at] airmail [dot] net). We are just forming, so there’s lots of room
for everyone who loves old quilts and fabrics!!! :^)
Lisa in hot and stormy – it can’t make up its mind!! Texas

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 11:46:33 -0400 (EDT) | From: CToczek [at] aol [dot] com

Howdy from Texas again,

Thought you all might want to hear the update on the Kansas City Star pattern
books. I ordered a volume this morning (*very* friendly folks) and was told
to watch the web page in the next few weeks….

Four new volumes will be added; these will be collections of embroidery and
applique patterns from the Kansas City Star newspaper! In case you missed
it the first time, the web page address is as follows:

http://www.his.com/~queenb/kansascitystar.html

Best wishes,
Carla Toczek

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 16:59:57 -0500 (EST) | From: Diane Krall <dkrall.inmu [at] incolsa [dot] palni [dot] edu>

On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, Xenia Cord wrote:

> Hi, Jean: I’m posting this to the entire group, thinking it might be of
> interest to travelers in this area:
>
> The Bertha Stenge quilts are on exhibit at the Illinois State Museum in
> Springfield until Sept 7 – these are not to be missed for the sheer
> glory of their workmanship.
>
> The Indiana State Museum, downtown Indianapolis, is having an exhibit of
> Amish toys, clothing, quilts (from the former Pottinger collection)
> through October.
>
> The Minnetrista Cultural Center in Muncie, Indiana, is having an exhibit
> of some of the Ardis and Robert James collection of quilts, set around a
> “star” theme, through early August; the quilts will then be permanently
> housed in Nebraska, in a university museum setting. Call Muncie for
> directions (765-282-4848, closed Mondays).
>
> For museum buffs, the 1836 outdoor museum called Conner Prairie, on the
> site of the John Conner home northeast of Indianapolis (Fishers, IN, a
> suburb of Indianapolis), offers guided and self-conducted tours of a
> working 1836 Indiana village, complete with costumed interpreters and
> activities. It’s fun for adults and children, and a great place to take
> foreign visitors.
>
> The Marie Webster house is still under massive reconstruction, so
> nothing yet to see. Anticipated opening 1999. Enjoy your trip!!
>
> Xenia, in Indiana and operating as a temp. tour guide and chamber of
> commerce booster (VBG)
>
>
In addition, I would like to add that the Indianapolis Museum of Art also
has on exhibit until July 27, the Lilly quilt (a baltimore album quilt
illustrated in Orlovsky’s Quilts in America) and Nancy Crow’s “Chinese
Souls.”

The Cincinnati Art Museum has two quilt exhibits, one by the Women of
Color Quilting network, also until July 27.

Diane Krall
Indianapolis

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:13:14 -0700 | From: Norma Herbold <normah [at] olypen [dot] com>

Dear Quilters, Have no idea how this happened, but somehow I
voluntered to chair the “challenge” committee for our quilt show next
year. I’d like to do something “fun” that gets a large number of
people involved, and would like to hear from you about challenges in
your guilds that you enjoyed.
Thanks for the input in advance.

NormaH in Sunny Sequim, Wa

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 19:37:11 -0700 | From: gunter [at] erols [dot] com

I have been lurking for a while and have been envious about all
of your great purchases. While my friend and I were looking for vintage
quilts at antique shops, we came across an old sewing machine I was
interested in. The tag on the machine said that it was an 1870 Seidel
and Nauman machine from Germany. It is a hand crank portable machine
that has a bullet type bobbin. The sewing area is inlayed with mother of
pearl and the wooden case has burl inlay on the top. Well, the little
thing just spoke to me.
I haven’t purchased it yet, as I was trying to find out some more
information about it. I thought with all of the vast knowledge about
antique quilts out there, perhaps someone might know some additional
information about the machine. I would appreciate anything you may know
about this.

Judi Gunter

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 00:29:09 -0400 (EDT) | From: HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com

Phyllis:
I am assuming that the Belle Grove Plantation quilt show is also in Virginia.
Could you be more specific as to where in that state that the show is held?

Also, I would like to know about any quilt shows in the southeast area
between now and the end of the year.

Thank you,
Penny(HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com)

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:51:46 +0100 | From: “Audrey Cameron” <audrey.cameron [at] virgin [dot] net>

The trouble is I am reading old lists so I am out of sync with the lists.
My mother made a cross-stitch bedspread top from a kit & wanted it quilted
(this was in my past life when I was a teacher in NJ & long before I was an
addicted quilter) & we found a Ladies Aid group in Morris Plains, NJ that
did quilting. They took it on & it was over a year before it was finished.
This would have been in the 50’s. I think they charged $1. a spool of
thread.I have the quilt now in my collection as Mom died in 1976.
Just an interesting note on “current” history.
Audrey in mizzling England but the sun is trying to come out.
audrey.cameron [at] virgin [dot] net

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 06:53:27 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

In a message dated 97-07-17 21:04:25 EDT, you write:

<<
I would like to brighten up and clean the background, without fading the
embroidery. After I determine whether the thread is color fast, I need some
suggestions for washing. I have heard products mentioned such as Snowy
bleach, Biz and of course Orvis. I would be afraid that the Snowy bleach
would remove some of the embroidery color.
>>
JAN writes and I suggest contacting Hiranya in Australia about her buttermilk
receipe..might want to give it a try.. Jane

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:05:00 -400 | From: “Geneva L Reeves”

Hi Everyone, You might as well sit back, put your feet up, have a cup of tea,
and read a good quilting book while you wait for those AQSG brochures. I’ve
found out over the past few months that when something is mailed out with bulk
postage, it gets the lowest priority there is. The postal people are concerned
with it getting delivered at all. I’ve done a lot of mailings this past year, and
ended up switching from bulk to first class. Yes it costs a bit more, but I ended
up saving money because I didn’t have to do as many mailings with first class.

Also, all of the posting about paper piecing has gotten my curiosity going. This
isn’t something I’m familiar with. Would someone be kind enough to email me
privately and tell me more about it. Thanks.

Lynn Reeves

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 14:32:13 -0400 | From: “Patricia L. Lyons” <72134.3643 [at] compuserve [dot] com>

We leave in four weeks for Ireland (vacation) and England (business) and=

I’ve been rereading about quilt history in both places. I have Janet Rae=
‘s
The Quilts of the British Isles and Irish Patchwork (from the 1979 exhibi=
t
at the Kilkenny Design Workshops), but do I also remember a title somethi=
ng
like Quilt Treasures of Great Britain? If so, I don’t have that book.
What other suggestions can you give me about what to read? Have you an=
y
suggestions about what to see and where to shop? Any exhibits you know o=
f?
We’ll be primarily in Counties Kerry and Cork in Ireland, and in Cambrid=
ge
in England.
Audrey Cameron has already shared her considerable knowledge with me. =

Thanks so much, Audrey!
TIA

Pat Lyons =

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 14:41:32 +0200 | From: “Bob Mills” <decision [at] tigger [dot] jvnc [dot] net>

Hi Judy:

Lucky you to get the book ‘Quilts from Provence’ for your birthday. I
borrowed it from the library and didn’t want to give it back. For those
short on cash, your library can most likely get it from any other library in
the U.S.
Good luck on getting your quilt in the Ft. Washington show. I’ll look for it!

To Phyllis: Please let us know more about the two day Appraisal Class you
are taking in Winchester. I would very much like to learn of the process
for certifidation, costs, etc. and your assessment of the two day class.

Have fun at Belle Grove.

Jan Drechsler in yucky N.J. where even the weeds are dying of drought.

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:53:22 -0500 (EST) | From: Diane Krall <dkrall.inmu [at] incolsa [dot] palni [dot] edu>

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997 QuiltLine [at] aol [dot] com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-17 02:20:03 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
> The Cincinnati Art Museum has two quilt exhibits, one by the Women of
> Color Quilting network, also until July 27.
>
> Diane Krall
> Indianapolis
> >>
>
> What is the address of the Museum?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sarah R.
>
>
Address for Cinti Art Museum is “Eden Park”. That’s it–it is in the
park. The park itself is just east of the “downtown” area. phone is
513-721-5204; fax is 513-721-o129

In the Spirit of the Cloth: African American Quilts (through 7/27)
features quilts from the Women of Color Quilters Network, contemporary and
traditional pieces.

Hands of JOy: Cincinnati comes-a-quiltin’ (through 7/27) is a giant
quilting bee to celebrate the numerous civic, social and religious and
artisitic communities in Cinti.

Also through 7/27 is THE ART OF JOHN BIGGERS; VIEW FROM THE UPPER ROOM.

DIANE

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 19:20:42 UT | From: “Brian Stewart” <JBCStewart [at] msn [dot] com>

You can also order the Ouilts from Provence book a little cheaper from Edward
R. Hamilton, Falls Village, Connecticut, 06031-5000. The price is
considerably cheaper. Also ask for their catalog. Makes great reading and
lots of quilt books that are current are also in there alot cheaper. They
have no phone number there and no credit cards are accepted, but they are
reputable. Jeannette in Colorado where we are now overcast for our afternoon
few drops of rain.

———-
From: Bob Mills
Sent: Friday, July 18, 1997 6:41 AM
To: QHL [at] cuenet [dot] com
Subject: QHL: Re: QHL-Digest Digest V97 #187

Hi Judy:

Have fun at Belle Grove.

Jan Drechsler in yucky N.J. where even the weeds are dying of drought.

Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:13:59 -0400 (EDT) | From: Kittencat3 [at] aol [dot] com

Pat – if you’re going *anywhere* near Derbyshire, check out Hardwick Hall.
It’s a stately home built by Elizabeth, Countess of Shrewsbury, in the late
16th century. Elizabeth was a skilled needleworker and was the de facto
jailer of Mary, Queen of Scots, who was just as skilled. The house is a
treasure trove of needlework, including at least one 16th century Indian
quilt. The place is owned by the National Trust and has very little money to
devote to the needlework, so there is no way to know what’s there unless you
actually go. I’ve been told by a former conservator at the Met that this
place is a must-see.

And if you have *any* time in London, any at all, go to the Victoria & Albert
Museum. They have a whole room with needlework mounted between thin sheets
of glass so that students and scholars can imagine it without touching. They
also own several pre-18th century quilted and applique pieces, including one
of the famous Guicciardini wedding set. Definitely worth it.

Have a wonderful time!

Lisa Evans

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 00:33:16 -0400 (EDT) | From: ROM1026 [at] aol [dot] com

In a message dated 97-07-18 01:40:00 EDT, you write:

> Appraisal Certification
How do I find these classes in my area.
south NJ
thanks
pat

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 07:06:49 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

Pat, in replying to your trip to England, Ann Hill lives in England and
reads/posts to this forum..I THINK her address is annehill [at] aol [dot] com or
possibly ann is without an ‘e’..but if she is lurking, she’ll respond..she
would be a great source for what to see..have a great trip..I’ve often
thought it would be fun to get a group together and go to a foreign
country..I’ve had ‘nibbles’ from Australia to go there to lecture BUT I sort
of side-step it as it is tough to face all those hours on a plane..may not be
so bad if there were several quilters going also..several of my members from
there have offered lodging/siteseeing..anyway..safe trip..Jane of THE
FEEDSACK CLUB

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 12:23:30 +0100 | From: “Audrey Cameron” <audrey.cameron [at] virgin [dot] net>

I have e-mailed Pat Lyons with this information privately but I thought
this might be useful to everybody especially to anyone going to England in
the next few months.

The Great British Quilt Festival will be at the Great Yorkshire
Showgrounds, Wetherby Rd., just south of Harrogate in north England (really
central). 28-31 August 1997 from 10 – 6pm. It will be a grand display of
300+ quilts from iniature to king size with demonstrations, vendors, etc.
All the fun of the fair! Plenty of free parking – no problems (only
getting to England ,etc.) I will be there on the Friday.
It’s not Houston but it’s real fun.

Quilt Treasures is a very good book documenting the 3-year project carried
out by the Quilter’s Guild to create an index of quilts made prior to 1960
from GB. It has over 170 colored photos & articles written by British
authorities on quilts, quilting & textiles.
It costs �16.95 here in Eng. but it is available from Kris on her book list
& I think it’s cheaper. It a great book!

As a note the Quilter’s Guild in the national quilting organization & quite
different from anything you have in America. It’s listed as a charity & is
supported solely from members’ subscription which currently is �22.50 a
year. The Guild is subdivided into areas across GB & from the areas days
are organized to meet, hear speakers, visit
vendors, but more important to meet each other. It is not a guild in the
American sense of the word. It also publishes a wonderful magazine 4x’s a
year called The Quilter, has a splendid competition/exhibition once every 2
years, etc.

A n exhibition of American quilts from their collection is on:
Crazy for Quilts 200 year of American Quilts at Claverton Manor, Bath until
November 2, 1997. Open Tues.- Sunday 2-5pm (tel 01225 460503)

That’s all for now.
Audrey in sunny England
audrey.cameron [at] virgin [dot] net

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:16:19 -0400 | From: quiltmag [at] mindspring [dot] com (Jean Ann Eitel)

I visited Hardwick Hall and it was spectacular. The needlework was amazing
and they even have a piece by Mary Queen of Scots. They also have wonderful
gardens.

Jean Ann Eitel, Editor
QUILT Magazines
http://www.quiltmag.com

#quilttalk internet IRC channel – #quilttalk activities home page…
http://www.quilttalk.com

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:20:09 -0400 (EDT) | From: Tubeywooby [at] aol [dot] com

In a message dated 7/19/97 2:00:21 AM, you wrote:

<<JAN writes and I suggest contacting Hiranya in Australia about her
buttermilk

receipe..might want to give it a try..<nomad1 [at] ibm [dot] net> Jane
>>

I’d be careful with Hiranya’s recipes. Sometimes she slip an extra sheep or
two in them, and it would make it hell to stuff in the washing machine.
Caution, quilters, of that quilting maniac o’er the water, she’s a mad one !
M.

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:25:28 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

In a message dated 97-07-19 08:21:49 EDT, you write:

<<
I’d be careful with Hiranya’s recipes. Sometimes she slip an extra sheep or
two in them, and it would make it hell to stuff in the washing machine.
Caution, quilters, of that quilting maniac o’er the water, she’s a mad one !
M.
>>
at the price of lamb, that would’nt be to baaaaaaaaad!! I couldn’t
resist..anonymous

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 08:20:52 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

I almost feel my stomach churn in responding to the bulk mail plight..I tell
my members that the “pony express” grazes along the way and if he runs out of
grazing land..HE JUST PLAIN EATS IT..you are right..they don’t have to tell
you squat if it gets damaged by their machinery..torn, lost, NOTHING..at the
same time..they give you JUST enough of a discount that when you are
mailing..you HAVE to do bulk, at least in my caseI, mailing close to 700
pieces..and figured it out both ways..best use bulk..

and if anyone in the NJ area (another pit hole for mail coming OUT)
Pittsburgh found 70,000 pieces of mail postmarked December and May at a
Cranberry (n. of Pittsburgh) trucking company..then found an other 675,000
more yesterday..it was procesed in Harrisburg, originated in Jew Jersey,
Delaware, and Eastern Pa..heading (supposedly) to Ks City, St Louis, Des
Moines, Omaha, and Wichita.needless to say, tht company is going to loose the
contract…so if someone told you, THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL..and you say,
YEA< I”LL BET!!! chances are IT WAS.. jANE

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:03:13 -0400 | From: “Phyllis Twigg” <ptwigg [at] radix [dot] net>

Several people asked about the American Quilter’s Society Appraiser
Certification Program class which I am taking August 5-6 in Winchester,
Virginia prior to the Belle Grove Planatation Quilt Show. The classes
are usually given in Paducah, Kentucky in April.. The AQS will send you a
packet of information on their Appraiser Program including information
about courses, certification requirements, ethics, application information,
a list of certified appraisers,and a list of books for appraisal course
study. Write
P.O. Box 3290
Paducah, KY 42002-3290

or phone: (502)898-7903 fax (502)898-8890

They offer a plastic booklet with 26 3″ x 5″ color photographs inserted
showing 19th and 20th Century Fabrics. The fabrics were dated to the
nearest quarter century by Paul Pilgrim and Gerald Roy. It’s $ 25.00 plus
shipping and handling. I have found it most helpful in learning to date
fabrics.It is item # 3385.

Another offering is “Protecting Your Quilts: An Owner’s Guide to Insurance,
Care , and Restoration, and Appraisal” for $ 6.95 plus s&h.

Phyllis

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 07:49:57 -0600 | From: jgardner [at] juno [dot] com (j gardner)

The Pilgrim/Roy booklet has been cancelled by AQS. I could not get
it when I called earlier this week. Do you think anyone else would
carry it?
Julie
>

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:19:15 -0400 (EDT) | From: Annesybug [at] aol [dot] com

Would also like to know more about paper piecing….Is there a good reference
book with history as well as how-tos?

LeighAnne in GA where it is very hot!

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 11:19:09 -0400 (EDT) | From: Annesybug [at] aol [dot] com

In a message dated 97-07-18 21:20:33 EDT, you write:

<< We leave in four weeks for Ireland (vacation) and England (business) and
I’ve been rereading about quilt history in both places. I have Janet Rae’s
The Quilts of the British Isles and Irish Patchwork (from the 1979 exhibit
at the Kilkenny Design Workshops), but do I also remember a title something
like Quilt Treasures of Great Britain? If so, I don’t have that book.
What other suggestions can you give me about what to read? Have you any
suggestions about what to see and where to shop? Any exhibits you know of?
We’ll be primarily in Counties Kerry and Cork in Ireland, and in Cambridge
in England.
Audrey Cameron has already shared her considerable knowledge with me.
Thanks so much, Audrey!
TIA

Pat Lyons
>>

Pat, fill your brain and eyes with as much as you possibly can while in
Ireland and England and then hurry back to share it with all of us!

LeighAnne in sultry GA

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 12:00:19 -0400 | From: Jody Bordner <QltgRose [at] gte [dot] net>

Hi Penny!

I posted this to whole list in case anyone else is interested. There are
two quilt shows this year in Florida, one in Orlando September 17-21 and
one in Jacksonville in November.

I attended both of these shows last year. Orlando’s show was ok for a
first years show (IMHO of course), and the vendors were good.I just got
a list of classes for this years show and she has a terrific lineup of
them, including Joen Wolfram, Charlotte Angotti and Ellie Sienkiewicz.
However the Jacksonville show was better, IMHO again. I just got my pics
back from that show and the quality of the quilts were great!

However the BEST part of both of these shows was getting to meet other
online friends–from AOL mainly last year, but this year, we are already
planning on a mini Interquilt guild get together in Jacksonville and
also talking to some of the gals about Orlando…so if you are gonna be
in the area, and would like to be included in the plans, please email me
privately and I will periodically update the whole group. Hope to see
you there!

Jody

PS One interesting class note–in the Orlando show, they will have a
teacher by name of Darla German teaching THREE computer
software/quilting classes! Covering range of skill levels with computers
Dont have any class info on the Jax show, as yet. If anyone does, would
you please forward to me?? Thanks!

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:55:05 -0400 | From: “Phyllis Twigg” <ptwigg [at] radix [dot] net>

Penny and Nancy asked for more information about the Belle Grove Plantation
Show in Virginia.The actual show and classes are held at the Daniel Morgan
Middle School, on the corner of Purcell Ave. and Senseny Road, in
Winchester, Virginia from August 7 – 10. The name of the show is “A Century
of Quilt Making”. Suzi Smith, the “Curator of Quilting/Education” at Belle
Grove Plantation, is the contact person at (703) 869-3511. There are 16
well known teachers/ speakers conducting classes, etc and there is a
merchant mall,quilt show display,free shuttle service to the plantation,
evening barbeque (Patty McCormick will speak on the film” How to Make An
American Quilt”), and a benefit auction.

Winchester is located 70 miles west of Washington, D.C. in the Shenandoah
Valley.Belle Grove Plantation is an 18th century manor house museum ( with
a quilt /fabric shop in the lower level). Belle Grove is located in
Middletown, VA. The mailing address is Belle Grove Plantation, P.O. Box
137, Middletown, VA 22645

Merchant Mall/ Exhibit hours are 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. (except Sunday
when they close at 2 p.m.)

If anyone from QHL is going, please let me know. E-mail me or leave a
message at the
Budgetel Inn (540) 678-0800 in Winchester during the week of the show. It
would be fun to meet some of you.

Phyllis Twigg

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 13:49:16 -0500 (CDT) | From: celmore [at] ksu [dot] edu

Contact the American Quilter’s Society in Paducah. They can usually give
you the information. Sharon Newman is the adminstrator and she could
also give you information.
Carol Elmore

On Sat, 19 Jul 1997 ROM1026 [at] aol [dot] com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-07-18 01:40:00 EDT, you write:
>
> > Appraisal Certification
> How do I find these classes in my area.
> south NJ
> thanks
> pat
>
>

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 15:34:28 -0500 | From: Leo Harvill <harvill [at] Access [dot] ETSU-Tn [dot] Edu>

I want to let you know about a quilt show in the Carroll Reece Museum
on the East Tennessee State University campus in Johnson City, TN.
The quilts are on display from July 19 to August 24, 1997. The
quilts and coverlets were made in Washington County, TN and are from
the Betsy Hulcher Collection. They date from c. 1850 through the end
of that century. There are 23 quilts, six of which are red, green
and white. There are a number of scrap quilts with many interesting
fabrics.

The Blue Ridge Quilters Guild of Johnson City, TN also has a
challenge hanging in the museum.

The museum hours are from 9 AM to 4 PM Monday through Friday.

Gallery talks will be given at 5 PM on Wednesday, July 30, 1997 and
at 5 PM on Wednesday, August 20, 1997 relating to these quilt
exhibits.

For further information, feel free to contact me.

Leo Harvill
harvill [at] access [dot] etsu-tn [dot] edu

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 18:20:12 -0500 | From: LAURA SYLER <texas_quilt.co [at] airmail [dot] net>

j gardner wrote:
>
> The Pilgrim/Roy booklet has been cancelled by AQS. I could not get
> it when I called earlier this week. Do you think anyone else would
> carry it?
> Julie
> >
> >They offer a plastic booklet with 26 3″ x 5″ color photographs
> >inserted
> >showing 19th and 20th Century Fabrics. The fabrics were dated to the
> >nearest quarter century by Paul Pilgrim and Gerald Roy. It’s $ 25.00

Sharon Newman told me several weeks ago that the photo packet was
discontinued in anticipation of Eileen Tristains book coming out “SOON”.
No one else offers it. And there are no plans to reproduce it.
Laura

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 23:26:12, -0500 | From: LWKB50A [at] prodigy [dot] com ( KEN AND TIFFANY REGAN)

Tiffany in wet, wet, wet, Enid, OK
p.s. will be moving to Denver in the fall, any QHL’ers out that way?
LWKB50A [at] prodigy [dot] com

Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 15:35:15 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

I am lookng for magazines that offer ad placement so many dollars per word,
such as QNM had called ARMCHAIR SHOPPING..especially the group of magazines
that come out of Montrose, Pa..one is a miniature quilt magazine..please
email privately many thanx Jane