February 11 - 13, 2006 - QuiltHistory

Fabric Identification, Quilt Dating, Quilt History Resources

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Primary topics of this QHL Digest:

Identifying a Romantic Couple on a Toile Quilt — A lengthy identification thread debates whether a printed toile panel depicts Napoleon and Josephine, Prince Leopold and Princess Charlotte, or another historical couple.
Cross-Checking Toile Panels Against Published References — Members consult Quilts of the British Isles and other references to help date and identify the disputed toile panel.
eBay Pricing Debate on a High-Value Quilt — Members discuss the asking price and authenticity claims for a quilt listed at nearly $18,000 on eBay.
Dating Fabric by the War of 1812 — Members use the timing of the War of 1812 peace treaty to help narrow down the toile panel’s likely production date. (see the article on dating quilts)

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:14:07 -0500 | From: Lynn and Debbie Cupp <Cupp5@>

Activities at an event mentioned a quilt on a fence….

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=99424&ran=17721

Debbie

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:23:43 -0800 | From: Chris Anacker <chrisa@>

I really don’t know, but Layfette was certainly a favorite darling to depict on fabric in that time frame. He was depicted on fabric as late as the 1840s. Also, the Prince of Wales- Leopold and his Princess Charlotte come to mind. Leopold was born in 1790. There was a beautiful polychrome printed panel dedicated to their wedding. One is in a quilt at NEQM. Does it have to be someone in particular and famous?

Kim Wulfert www.antiquequiltdating.com

tab. Any idea who that couple might be?

Kris

From: Newbie Richardson <pastcrafts@>

No not Lafayette, he was lionized in the US – not Europe. Not the Prince of Wales- all of Victoria’s uncles were fat, dissolute,and middle aged. they married equally unattractive German wives…that is why Victoria was so welcome when she came to the throne in ’38 (?). No, the man is clearly military – They are probably the Romantic Ideal :”The Sailor and His Sweet Heart”, or some such other Romantic fluff. Newbie with over 10 inches – and it is still falling here in the DC suburbs. Too bad I live above the office, no snow day here!

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Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:55:57 -0800 | From: “Margaret Geiss-Mooney” <mgmooney@>

Good morning, fellow QHLers – More sightings with the news crew cameras rolling and a 10-year veteran teacher this time. The quilt the students made supposedly showed events or places along the UGRR, not the “secret maps an symbols”.

HYPERLINK “http://www.nilesstar.com/articles/2006/02/11/news/ndnews1.txt”Quilt will tell secrets of Underground Railroad Niles Daily Star – MI, USA … In recognition of Black History Month, Schiele’s class is making an actual quilt devoted to the Underground Railroad. Each of his …

HYPERLINK “http://www.nilesstar.com/articles/2006/02/11/news/ndnews1.txt”http://www.ni lesstar.com/articles/2006/02/11/news/ndnews1.txt

Schiele said that during the time of the Underground Railroad, the people made quilts that had secret maps and symbols on them. For the most part, the quilts looked like a normal quilt would with squares and patterns, but then had the secret parts mixed in with the normal quilt designs. The maps and symbols would tell them things such as where to pull their boat out of a river or whether a certain county was safe.

Schiele has taught for 10 years and says that he tries to do something every year to recognize Black History Month.

Regards,

Margaret (Meg) Geiss-Mooney

Textile/Costume Conservator

mgmooney@

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:10:55 -0600 | From: “Kathy Moore” <kathymoore@>

Thank you, Kim, for articulating the concerns I’ve had about the discussion on “African-American” quilts:

“…So now there is the thought that a style exists? This is the slippery slope misinformation can cause.”

I’ve had the disturbing feeling that people are associating the “improvisational utility” style quilt with all African American quilts. All one has to do is see a gorgeous and technically stunning quilt like the Frances M. Jolly quilt at the Smithsonian (which is mentioned in an earlier post) to understand that generalizations aren’t appropriate, nor are they fair, for quilts made by specific ethnic groups.

Thanks to both list members for points well made.

Kathy Moore Lincoln, NE

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:39:41 -0500 | From: Cassie Kilroy Thompson <cassiekt@>

It looks like there are some letters (words? names?) in the quilting or on the fabric with the couple – or is that just an artifact? — Cassie

On Feb 12, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Quilt History List digest wrote:

Subject: Who is this couple? From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessen@> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:02:21 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Number: 8

In our quilt study group today, someone brought a quilt with lots of early (1820’s) English and French fabrics. One of them appeared to be a pillar print with a picture of a couple. I posted a picture at http://tinyurl.com/7ph24 If that URL doesn’t work, go to http://www.quilthistory.com, click on gallery and look under the general tab. Any idea who that couple might be?

Kris

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:43:49 -0800 | From: <chrisa@>

Didn’t Kris say it could be French fabric?

I think it was 1832 she became queen.

I thought Princess Charlotte was pretty and both were thin. Check out this picture- I think they look very similar to the fabric faces http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/char/char1.html and this one http://locutus.ucr.edu/~cathy/char/charhd.html Charlotte died in 1817, around the time they are dating that fabric to, so perhaps it was in her memorial that they made it?

Kim Wulfert www.antiquequiltdating.com

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:55:47 -0800 | From: <chrisa@>

To clarify- <<<Didn’t Kris say it could be French fabric?>> The French made toiles and other fine fabrics for export to the US.

Kim Wulfert www.antiquequiltdating.com

No not Lafayette, he was lionized in the US – not Europe.

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:09:49 -0800 (PST) | From: Kris Driessen <krisdriessen@>

Kim, I think you nailed it. Prince Leopold looks exactly like the guy in the toile.

They got married in 1816 and Princess Charlotte died in 1817? I researched that a tiny bit and found another picture of her at http://www.thebookofdays.com/months/nov/6.htm Theirs was supposedly a marriage of love rather than politics, which could be why he was handing her the rose in the toile. Her death in childbirth a year later was said to devastate their nation. But I wonder if the fabric commemorates the wedding or her death?

Kris

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:21:40 -0800 | From: <chrisa@>

Thanks Kris. Such a tragic story. The reason I don’t think it was for their marriage is because of the polychrome chintz printed panel that was made to honor their wedding. It’s called that actually. NEQM has it in a quilt, but it is in other quilts too and single panels, just can’t recall right now where I’ve seen it.

Kim

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:41:36 -0500 | From: “Karen Evans”

If it’s really Leopold and Charlotte, it’s more like to commemorate her wedding. She was the Heiress Presumptive to the throne, and by all accounts a bright, beautiful, well-loved woman who would have made a fine Queen. I’m pretty sure there’s a picture of a quilt with a wedding toile in either Janet Rae’s =Quilts of the British Isles or =Quilt Treasures of Great Britain.=

Besides, a mourning picture would be far more likely just to show Charlotte, rather than both her and Leopold….

Karen Evans

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:03:04 +0000 | From: “JG Kane” <jgkane84@>

The chap looks very much like Murat, as painted by L. Girodet. There is a reproduction of the portrait in Boucher’s ” History of Costume in the West” p 348, and you can find another likeness here –

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joachim_Murat

He was one of Joseph Bonaparte’s generals and he married Bonaparte’s sister, Caroline.

http://www.abcgallery.com/D/david/gerard11.html

Could this be them?

Jill, in Leeds,U.K.

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:53:01 -0600 | From: “Marcia Kaylakie” <marciark@>

Isn’t Napoleon Bonaparte usually portrayed as rounder and balder? Just wondering. Marcia Kaylakie

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:55:58 -0500 | From: “Bill Volckening” <williamvolckening@>

Note: The seller changed the listing slightly after I sent her a message. Although she was nice about it and added “I do not know the age….” it is still called vintage in the listing. She also took out the “collector’s dream” comment, which is appreciated. I offered her a picture of the one I’ve got, and she wanted to see it, so I’m sending it along to her. She sounded a little surprised, and it gave me the impression someone else misrepresented the quilt to her…

Bill

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:51:38 -0500 | From: “Newbie Richardson” <pastcrafts@>

It is not Napoleon and Josephine, her hair style and clothing are too late. I will need to reflect on social happenings in 1820’s France. Perhaps a popular novel? It has been a LONG time since I studied French romanic lit. newbie

Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:12:45 -0500 | From: “Newbie Richardson” <pastcrafts@>

Dear list, Your favorite gadfly is at work again…ahem.. I am writing this for the “new” members of the list who are not knowledgeable about quilt history and are using us “old hands” in order to further their education. Please note this is a critique, NOT a criticism.

I subscribed to Barbara Brackman’s weekly installment of “The Quilt Detective: Clues in the Needlework.” Barbara’s scholarship and organization are quite well done. The ease with which one can access her information is also very well thought out. The list of resources that accompany each installment is very useful.

As this is a preliminary work, she has used illustrations from quilts in her own collection. This makes perfect sense since she would otherwise have to deal with copyright issues. However, I noticed that the illustrations do not always exactly match the topic at hand. Let me give one example. I certainly understand, for instance not having a true “boderie perse” in one’s collection ( I certainly don’t) but as she was limited to using examples from her own collection, the illustration she was forced to use was NOT boderie perse. It was a very pale approximation that was derivitive of the technique. I knew the difference, but neophytes might not. In this instance, I think it would have been better to substitute a well done reproduction to illustrate the technique.

As a result of this, I would caution anyone who is not already well versed in quilt history and who does not have access to a fairly good library of appropriate pictures to wait and buy the book when it is published. Barbara’s pre-publications of up coming books are to the final publication what the “first run through” of a play is to “opening night” – only the script is in place.

Newbie in Northern VA -where it finally decided to act like February, with about 10 -12 inches of snow falling.

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:04:28 +0000 | From: “JG Kane” <jgkane84@>

My apologies – I pressed send and immediately realised that I hadn’t deleted the rest of the digest. I am sorry!

Jill

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:10:01 -0600 | From: Xenia Cord <xenia@>

In Quilts of the British Isles (1987), Janet Rae discusses Printed Centrepieces (p. 83) and says, referring to floral medallions, that the marriage of Princess Charlotte and Prince Leopold was celebrated with such a centrepiece, consisting of glazed cotton with a central floral bouquet with a rose border and four royal motifs, and an inscription reading “Princess Charlotte of Wales Married to Leopold Prince of Saxecobourg May 2 1816.”

A coverlet in the collection of the Castle Museum, York, has 4 of these panels around a floral center panel, and they are augmented by additional motifs from the Bannister Hall “Pheasant & Palm Tree” chintz, from c. 1815 (shown on p. 86). If you are lucky enough to be going on the May textile history trip to UK, this coverlet may be on your agenda.

There does not seem to be an illustration of any chintz featuring the faces of Charlotte and Leopold in Rae, or in Quilt Treasures of Great Britain.

Xenia

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:43:36 -0800 | From: <chrisa@>

FYI- There are two more quilts with closer photos of the panel in the book from the York, England exhibit last year “Through the Needles Eye” pages 22 & 23, and another medallion quilt on pages 122 & 123. It says that the Princess was a popular figure and many souvenirs were produced to mark the occasion of their marriage. Perhaps Kris’ toile is in reference to that too.

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:04:11 -0800 | From: <chrisa@>

I didn’t see it in Quilt Treasures of GB.. In Quilts of the British Isles there is a panel commemorating their marriage, and it has an inscription to that effect. The text goes on to say that a commemorative panel was also printed to mark the death of the British navel hero, admiral Lord Nelson on Oct. 21, 1805. So these events were also commemorated. see. page 86, but the photo is a far away shot and it’s not very colorful either. The one at NEQM was very bright and it looked different than this one as I recall, which is a quilt dated 1820. Note that in the photos, the Princess Charlotte panels are the four on the outside, not the center panel.

Kim Wulfert www.antiquequiltdating.com

If it’s really Leopold and Charlotte, it’s more like to commemorate her wedding. She was the Heiress Presumptive to the throne, and by all accounts a bright, beautiful, well-loved woman who would have made a fine Queen. I’m pretty sure there’s a picture of a quilt with a wedding toile in either Janet Rae’s =3DQuilts of the British Isles=3D or =3DQuilt Treasures of Great Britain.=3D

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:30:11 -0800 | From: <chrisa@>

Duh- there is a picture of the panel- still to far away to appreciate, but it is in the quilt at NEQM and it is in Jennifer’s book “New England Quilt Museum Quilts” page 31. The medallion quilt was made 1820-40 and was donated by the Binny Family. I had toe good fortune of seeing it on display there and this picture does not begin to do it justice.

Kim Wulfert www.antiquequiltdating.com

I’m pretty sure there’s a picture of a quilt with a wedding toile in either Janet Rae’s =3DQuilts of the British Isles=3D or =3DQuilt Treasures of Great Britain.=3D

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:53:45 -0500 | From: “Velia Lauerman” <velialive@>

Cats, like other animals have a unique sense of smell so your pet can detect the content which may smell like it’s box. I’ve heard of this before and also have been given imports that my friends thought I would like. Yes, the lovely pieces are a nightmare to people like us who have taken time to create a nice bed cover. V

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:38:26 EST | From: RAGLADY@

Just wanted to say “Thank You” to Kris for posting the _Book Of Days_ website URL… It is fantastic for anyone who loves reading tidbits of history.

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:35:31 +0000 | From: pkeirstead@

My guess is the British poet Percy Bysshe Shelley and his wife, Mary Wollstonecraft. They were married from 1814 until he died in 1822.

Does this match the assumed age of the piece?

The Web pictures I found of the couple don’t exactly match the fabric figures, but I do think the hair and clothing fit the early 1800s.

Any other ideas?

Peggy Keirstead

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:54:08 -0500 | From: “Karen Evans”

Hm. The Shelleys weren’t all that popular in Britain – Shelley was an atheist who’d abandoned his first wife (she later committed suicide), and Mary didn’t dare let Frankenstein be published under her real name for several years after publication. They certainly weren’t the stuff of which commercial success is made, alas.

I’m inclined to think that it’s a generic couple, or possibly Princess Charlotte and her husband.

Karen Evans

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:30:21 -0600 | From: Gail Ingram <gingram@>

February does seem to lead to lots of slippery slopes, doesn’t it?

Yet, from the sidelines, it appears to me that more people in positions of authority seem more aware that the UGRR issue is fraught with serious questions. If everyone remains vigilant, this issue can become like Parson Weems’ story of Washington and the cherry tree—something people take pride in revealing as false.

Many adults will believe whatever suits their current agenda or club program. Fact is not a particular issue with some.

Kids, on the other hand, love nothing more than undermining truisms put forward by their elders. That activity is part of their developmental job. And American kids spend considerable time each evening blogging and text-messaging everyone they can reach in the known universe. If the computer savvy could put these busy fingers to work spreading fact, at least the rising generation would be better informed. They are unlikely to care about Parson Weems: George Washington hardly gets a notice in contemporary history books, and were his face not on currency, many youngsters would not recognize the name. But if we can catch the rising generation, the battle will can be won.

Then there’s the critical thinking color book for tykes that I imagine <g>. I envision Xenias little quilt as a part of the plan. Again–and seriously–the person or institution that discovers a way to make kids think about the plausibility of the whole thing, the way that quilt asked its viewer to do, then there’s the battle. Kids are smaller than adults, but their minds are often larger and more active.

Meanwhile, I congratulate all who have remained alert and tenacious on the issue. I do see progress. What about the AQS? Has it addressed the UGRR formally? Or is that not within the group’s purview?

Unsnowed upon and thus going to school tomorrow in North Louisiana, Gail

Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:02:44 -0600 | From: Gail Ingram <gingram@>

Since the subject of toiles is current, some might be interested in a line of toiles designed and marketed exclusively by Hazelnut, a New Orleans shop. The St. Charles Street streetcar, St. Louis Cathedral, typical architecture and architectural signatures of French Quarter (e.g., the wrought ironwork), a steamboat, etc are among the scenes drawn on the linen-cottom blend fabric. It comes in five colorways on an ecru ground and is priced at $36/yd. Width 53 inches. Part of the proceeds from fabric sales is donated to Second Harvest of Greater New Orleans, a group that has done a much-lauded job of feeding the needy both before and especially since Katerina. Can be seen on web at www.hazelnutneworleans.com.

The shop has always carried a nice variety of reproduction traditional French toiles, and this line of was in the works before Katrina hit.

Gail Ingram

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 05:30:39 -0800 (PST) | From: Gary Parrett <gparret1@>

RMSC has a quilt with a back of this entire fabric. It is set in pillars and, as I looked at a few pictures which I had taken some time ago, the couple is backwards to Kris’s photo. In Kris’, the man is on the left and the woman is on the right. In the RMSC quilt, the opposite is true. There is also a portrait of three girls, and I think, one other, though can’t remember for sure. The fabric is well worn and faded, with “portraits” not nearly as clear as Kris’ due to wear and abrasion. Now I need to go back and look at that quilt – it has been a while.

Karen

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:03:26 -0600 | From: “Karen Musgrave” <KarenMusgrave@>

The Alliance for American Quilts (www.centerforthequilt.org ) eBay auction this week has a lot of Victorian sewing trading cards, books including “Just New From the Mills” and a great c1920 wool 9 Patch quilt in browns and rusts and a c1950 sweet Chicks and Gizzards quilt and much more! You can check it out by going to http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZalliancequilts or search by our seller’s name- alliancequilts.Your purchases also benefit a great organization which is doing great things for quilts. New auctions are posted every Sunday. Happy bidding and thanks for the support.

All the best, Karen Musgrave Join us! Become a member and get advance news on our auctions AND help preserve our great quilt heritage. www.centerforthequilt.org

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:36:00 -0500 | From: “Sharon in NC” <patchworksecrets2@>

I was looking for some things this morning and just had a thought.. Is there anyone that has taken the Hidden in Plain view and broken down point by point chapter by chapter exactly why it is incorrect? Such as where it talks about so many knots telling you how far to go, or listing each block it discusses with the REAL history and time frame attributes? I have not actually read the book myself..I came close to purchasing it a few times but felt my stomach roll in spending money on lies..smile..But I may purchase it now just to do the point by point.. Should be interesting research..

Sharon in NC http://community.webshots.com/user/sharonsews

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:18:22 -0500 | From: “Sharon in NC” <patchworksecrets2@>

And another example of our illustrious government at work.. http://www.nsa.gov/museum/museu00033.cfm Sharon in NC http://community.webshots.com/user/sharonsews

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:55:41 -0800 (PST) | From: Laura Fisher <laurafisherquilts@>

Hi all — wondering if anyone has info to help assess the age of a quilt top brought in to my store. It has a spread wing eagle at the center, cut out from floral printed chintz, holding a ribbon in its beak saying E Pluribus Unum. The eagle is appliqued amid 17 stars, not 13. Its chest is a striped shield. There are other Broderie Perse elements arround and a chintz border. There is a verse beneath with the date 1814, but I feel it may be it is younger than that by a decade. I have lost my list that says which states entered the Union when so can’t immediately look up which was the 17th state. I wonder when the first image of this bold eagle with stars appeared; does the number of stars sometimes/always relate to a state’s admission to the Union? If I could find my missing digital camera, lost in the move, I would photo ithe quilt (and then still not be able to post it on the eboard despite the help of several qhl’ers). Hoping all you knowledgeables will be able to visual this image enough to confirm or edit the date info.

Re recent postings, were it not for the specially-created Black History Month, would we ever see filmed (and funded and promoted) all the wonderful doumentaries on PBS that have been airing this month? Wow, have they been thoughtful and informative. Do catch the one on tracing roots back to Africa using DNA; It was intriguing to see the document geneologists at work using original records. Would the impetus be there for filmmakers to focus attention on these kinds of topics if this artificial month/time period had not been established? And if such programs ran among regular schedules would they receive as much air time? In this case, I err on the side of establishing the time period as a way to focus attention. Interesting too would be specials on the contributions of other earlier ethnic groups to the development and changes in “American” culture. And would that there was funding outside classrooms for more such informative material to be explored. Maybe now’s the time for a documentary only on the underground railroad……Laura Fisher

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:08:50 +0000 | From: Sally Ward <sallytatters@>

Sharon in NC wrote: > And another example of our illustrious government at work.. > http://www.nsa.gov/museum/museu00033.cfm

In the midst of all this I have to smile…I followed the ‘follow the drinking gourd’ link and it led me to the revelation that Ozella Williams was a ‘girot’ (sic). I hope they have better spellcheckers in the cryptology department <G>

Sally W

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:21:08 -0800 | From: “alan” <alan@>

Laura, you’re right on the money. Ohio was the seventeenth state, which may give a hint as to where it came from. And it was admitted in 1803, a decade earlier than the date on your quilt.

Alan

> > Hi all — wondering if anyone has info to help assess the age of a quilt > top brought in to my store. It has a spread wing eagle at the center, cut > out from floral printed chintz, holding a ribbon in its beak saying E > Pluribus Unum. The eagle is appliqued amid 17 stars, not 13. Its chest is a > striped shield. There are other Broderie Perse elements arround and a chintz > border. There is a verse beneath with the date 1814, but I feel it may be it > is younger than that by a decade.

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:03:50 -0800 | From: <chrisa@>

The War of 1812’s Treaty was signed at the end of 1814, even though there was one more battle in 1815 becausue it took so long to get the word out that a settlement had been reached. Also the Star Spangled banner was written then- perhaps it refelcted that sentiment of patriotism.

I have read several places that you can not absolutely date a quilt by the number of stars appearing in it’s applique. Quilts took time to make, and states were being brought in, and word traveled slowley.

Kim Wulfert www.antiquequiltdating.com

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:10:14 -0800 (PST) | From: Pat Cummings <pat@>

To answer Sharon’s question, yes.

February is Black History Month. The following file, first written in 2004, is still pertinent: http://www.quiltersmuse.com/underground_railroad_and_quilt_blocks.htm

On a Different Note

The two PBS shows yesterday hosted by Mr. Gates were exceptionally interesting! The fact that scientific data was sought and relied upon to reach conclusions was laudable. Genetic profiling is in its infancy, it seems. Combined with the use of written documents, it was amazing the amount of information researchers were able to tell each of the participating individuals about their backgrounds, especially their genetic heritage in terms of European, Sub-Saharan, or American Indian blood.

How Do We Apply Science to Hearsay?

The trouble with trying to refute the Quilt Block myth is that it has already been sold to the American public. Teachers, in particular, want to be in sync and not appear to be rascist. It’s a whole ball of wax because there are too many political agendas involved.

I am afraid that the academics, who know better about the situation, are keeping their opinions to themselves or within closed circles. They have to be self-protective. In fact, few people are willing to stick their necks out, publicly, and say much of anything on the subject of UGRR and the purported use of quilts/quilt blocks as communication tools. So, newspapers continue to melodramatically play out this scene to the unsuspecting American public.

My article is still in place. It is a long file, so if you have a slow dial up modem at 28K, be prepared to wait 61 seconds for it to load.

My best regards to all.

Pat Cummings

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:33:55 -0500 | From: “Lucinda Cawley” <lrcawley@>

How about Prince Leopold (maternal uncle of the then unborn future Queen Victoria) who married Princess Charlotte of Wales heiress presumptive to the English throne and only child of the Prince Regent later George IV? They married in 1817; Charlotte died after giving birth to a stillborn son in 1817. Cinda on the Eastern Shore

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:47:41 -0500 | From: “Newbie Richardson” <pastcrafts@>

As the orignial post gave a 1820 date, I did not look before that. Charlotte makes sense, she engendered the same kind of adulation in her day that Diana did in ours. There is a wonderful exhibition catlogue: “In Royal Style: The Clothes of Princess Charlotte of Wales and Queen Victoria 1796-1901” by Kay Staniland, Museum of London, 1997. Though none of the clothes in the exhibit look like the one pictured on the fabic – that does not mean anything. She did like to wear “chemisettes” (dickey’s) – and the print looks it could be one. Newbie – where the snow was VERY heavy and broke one of my camelias (sniff,sniff) – but we got the snow off the other bushes in time.

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:45:11 -0500 | From: “Bonnie Dwyer” <bonniedwyer@>

Anyone tempted to *buy* this book might reconsider spending your money and, instead, borrow it through interlibrary loan at your local library!

Bonnie Dwyer Quilt Appraiser 134 Pond Road Manchester, ME 04351 Home phone: (207) 622-6202 Cell: (207) 446-7311 —–Original Message—– From: Sharon in NC Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:36 AM To: Quilt History List Subject: [qhl] Hidden in Plain view refuted?

Sharon in NC http://community.webshots.com/user/sharonsews

Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:28:51 -0500 | From: “Sharon in NC” <patchworksecrets2@>

Laura, DH and I have been glued to the TV watching the Black History specials on tracing roots.. It is amazing what DNA has done for folks wanting to know their heritage. We were just speculating on how the NA tribes could use it to prove or disprove heritage.

Sharon in NC