September 12 - 18, 2003

Quilt Block History, Quilt History Resources, Quiltmaking Techniques & Construction

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Primary topics of this QHL Digest:

UGRR Quilt Myth Rebuttals — Members trade sources and talking points for pushing back on the Underground Railroad quilt-code legend at guild talks and shows. (see the article on quilt folklore)
Quilters Hall of Fame News — A press release announces the 2003 QHF Grand Opening Quilt Contest and induction events in Marion, Indiana.
eBay Plagiarism of Quilt History Writing — A member discovers her published quilt-history research copied into an eBay listing and the list discusses copyright versus trademark protections for titles and text.
Mariner’s Compass Construction Choices — A maker compares appliquéing versus piecing the circle points on a Mariner’s Compass quilt.
New Jersey State Museum Exhibit Visit — A member recounts a research visit to see the quilt exhibit at the New Jersey State Museum in Trenton. (see the article on quilt museums)

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:43:12 -0400 | From: “Teddy Pruett” <aprayzer@>

I was pleased to see Sue’s request for info on rebuttals to the UGRR baloney. To my horror, I’ve recently found out that the guest speaker at my guilds upcoming annual show (small) will be talking about this very thing. I will try so hard to be good and be nice, and keep my mouth shut and sit on my hands and all that, but I, too, wish I had the time to read all the materials and find a few short, specific statements that would succinctly relay my feelings about the matter. Who has time to read??? Not me!

BTW, while I have your attention, let me tell you that I’ve just returned home from a working vacation to St. Charles, MO, where they celebrated the second year of their new annual show, Quilts on Main. Because there was a Civil War encampment there the same weekend, I was asked to give my lecture on the effects of the war of northern aggression on the quilts and textiles of the women of the South. It sold out early, so I actually gave it twice, and followed with “Other People’s FLeas”. All lectures were sold out far in advance, so I would determine that they have a quilt-hungry audience. Either that, or everyone just wanted a place to sit down. Well, let me tell you, these lectures are the antithesis of one another. We were all bawling and teary eyed at the first two, and crying tears of hysterical laughter at the latter. The audience was amazing – and rowdy, and fun. Oh well. Never bored. But St. Charles’ historic district is a not-to-be-missed destination. Just delightful. I was treated like a queen, every need anticipated by my hosts at the B&B, and I left walking on air. Just to arrive home and realize I still had to clean the toilets………..Teddy Pruett, Lake City, FL, wondering about Isabel

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:26:41 -0400 | From: Barb Garrett <bgarrett421@>

Hi Jan –

This isn’t Don, but I’d love to see you samples of the complete selection of solids — the samples you mentioned — so if he isn’t coming, could you bring them anyway. The only 30s solids I have are Marcus Brothers. Thanks, Barb

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:32:17 -0700 | From: Gail Ingram <gingram@>

> From: “Teddy Pruett” <aprayzer@> > Reply-To: “Quilt History List” <qhl@> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:43:12 -0400 > To: “Quilt History List” <qhl@> > Subject: [qhl] UGRR Rebuttals & St Charles > > I was pleased to see Sue’s request for info on rebuttals to the UGRR > baloney.

Now, Teddy dear, you really MUST learn to speak your mind.

<g>Gail

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:15:05 -0400 | From: “Pilar Donoso” <quiltpdmi.cl>

Dear Teddy:

About a week ago I asked this list if someone had a “compile” list against the myth of HIPV and the UGRR, because I don´t have too much time for searching myself. I did not received an answer, but I found out the Critique of Mr. Giles R. Wright a good way to start.

Check: http://www.historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews11.shtml and then read Mr Wright´s critique

Pilar Santiago, Chile

> Subject: UGRR Rebuttals & St Charles > From: “Teddy Pruett” <aprayzer@> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:43:12 -0400 > X-Message-Number: 2 > > I was pleased to see Sue’s request for info on rebuttals to the UGRR > baloney. To my horror, I’ve recently found out that the guest speaker at my > guilds upcoming annual show (small) will be talking about this very thing. > I will try so hard to be good and be nice, and keep my mouth shut and sit on > my hands and all that, but I, too, wish I had the time to read all the > materials and find a few short, specific statements that would succinctly > relay my feelings about the matter. Who has time to read??? Not me! >

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 06:24:37 -0700 (PDT) | From: Judy Schwender <sister3603@>

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Pillar- My apologies, I missed your inquiry. Here’s a posting from a while back. I have an HIPV folder on my computer desktop that I save items relating to this thorny question, and Alice’s reply has proven most useful time and time again. Giles Wright’s persuasive article should be saved to everyone’s desktop! Judy

In reply to Fawn’s request for information on the false claims about quilts and the Underground Railroad, these are some websites I discovered when I did some recent research. I know many of you have explored this topic in depth, but hope some of this is information you don’t already have. Alice Kober apkober@

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/magenta/14/id16.htm > The author of the website for Hart Cottage Quilts presents arguments against the idea that quilts were used as codes for runaway slaves, supporting the argument with quotes from several historians who doubt the story. The author shows examples of the different quilt designs supposedly used along the Underground Railroad and discusses how some of them weren’t yet created during the days of slavery. > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/UNDERGROUND-RR/2002-03/1017160716 > Historian Christopher Densmore, Curator of the Friends Historical Library at Swarthmore College, states that the idea of quilts being used as secret signals to runaway slaves is implausible and presents numerous reasons why he does not support the theory presented by the authors of Hidden in Plain View. >

> http://www.antiquequiltdating.com/ugrr.html > Kimberly Wulfert, PhD, begins her article, “To many of us, the use of quilts as messengers on the Underground Railroad (UGRR) is a myth. It cannot be proven through recorded historical documents or defendable oral history.” She goes on to discuss why she discounts the theory. >

> http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews11.shtml > Historian Giles R. Wright, New Jersey’s top authority on Camden’s black history, is cited as “New Jersey’s Underground Railroad Myth-Buster.” He states that fewer than one percent of all slaves went north after they escaped-most stayed in the south. Wright claims that the book presents a very appealing idea, but it is based on “sheer conjecture and speculation.” >

Pilar Donoso <quiltpdmi.cl> wrote: Dear Teddy:

Check: http://www.historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews11.shtml and then read Mr Wright´s critique

Pilar Santiago, Chile

> Subject: UGRR Rebuttals & St Charles > From: “Teddy Pruett” > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 10:43:12 -0400 > X-Message-Number: 2 > > I was pleased to see Sue’s request for info on rebuttals to the UGRR > baloney. To my horror, I’ve recently found out that the guest speaker at my > guilds upcoming annual show (small) will be talking about this very thing. > I will try so hard to be good and be nice, and keep my mouth shut and sit on > my hands and all that, but I, too, wish I had the time to read all the > materials and find a few short, specific statements that would succinctly > relay my feelings about the matter. Who has time to read??? Not me! >

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 14:06:35 -0400 | From: Barb Garrett <bgarrett421@>

Yesterday at my local Quilt Guild Meeting I saw a very disturbing poster and wondered if others have seen it.

A woman brought in a poster that her daughter who lives in Alaska and works for the Forestry Service had sent her. It was titled “Women’s Quilts and the Underground Railroad” and featured either 9 or 12 blocks and their meanings according to HIPV. I know there were 3 columns of quilt blocks, but I don’t remember if there were 3 or 4 rows. I didn’t get to study the poster as everyone exclaimed over how beautiful it was, but I do remember churn dash, bear’s paw and something that meant go over the Appalachian Mts. Each block was in color, named, with an explanation below it. I think it also said something about making a sampler to learn the meanings — I wasn’t able to study it (darn) <grin>.

At the bottom it said Sponsored by NE/NA Civil Rights Committee and Civil Rights Eastern Region Multicultural Team. The U.S. Forest Service name and emblem were also printed along the bottom. I don’t know anything about these organizations, but it appears our government is continuing to aggressively promote the concept.

Has anyone else seen this poster?

Barb in rainy southeastern PA

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 17:05:46 -0400 | From: “Vera Brown” <ilene3@>

Hi, I would like more info about the upcoming ISMAC convention in Charlotte, NC. Like the hours open on each day and how much to attend and can you pay at the event for the day? And where it will be held in Charlotte? Thanks. Ilene Brown Raleigh, NC

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:54:57 -0400 | From: KareQuilt@

I did not type the QHF website address correctly in the press release I just posted. Many of you savvy internet folks may have caught that immediately. The crrected address is below.

Karen Alexander

QHF WEBSITE: http://www.quiltershalloffame.org

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:30:13 -0400 | From: “Cinda Cawley” <lrcawleydmv.com>

Went with Nancy Hahn to see the quilt exhibit at the New Jersey State Museum in Trenton. My oft stated rule is “If you wouldn’t hesitate to drive 10 miles to see one beautiful quilt, it only makes sense to drive 300 if you can see 30.” Well, I might have to make that 15 miles because I drove 380 miles (roundtrip) to Trenton and there were 27 quilts. It was wonderful. Thanks Judy Roche and J. G. Row for telling me about it. It is such a shame that the Museum failed to publicize the exhibit where quilters would learn about it. There was hardly anybody else there during the nearly two hours that Nancy and I lingered over the quilts and the exhibit closes tomorrow. I have only been able to find one of the quilts in any of my books, a 1983 catalogue from the Morris Museum called New Jersey Quilters: A Timeless Tradition, p. 14: eight appliqued teardrop shapes (all turkey reds-this exhibit is a turkey red-lovers heaven.), signed in the centers, set on the diagonal with narrow strips of a floral fondue fabric (put together to give the appearance of being woven). The inking on this quilt, as on many of the others, is exceptionally varied and interesting. It was a presentation piece to a teacher from her students. Most of the quilts are signature or albums and we could actually get close enough (albeit with many reprimands from the guards) to decipher the inscriptions. My favorite was a Caesars Crown of turkey reds and that crazy green (J. G. Row very aptly calls it “pistachio green”–we really do need to agree on a color vocabulary). There were some real puzzles about the construction of that quilt. The Crowns were appliqued to the background, but the background blocks had diagonal seams as if each was put together from four triangles. Why on earth would anybody do this? Two of the quilts have a border completely new to us, a combination of reverse applique scallop and dog tooth. The Museum did a great job of pointing out the stylistic peculiarities of New Jersey quilts. Read the New Jersey book to see what those are. There were a couple of dating problems resulting from a too ready acceptance of inked dates while ignoring fabrics of obviously later date. However, I was pretty generally impressed by the signage (my current hobby horse). The labels were concise, yet still gave information that led the viewer into the object, pointing out details of each quilt that made you want to study it closely. I don’t understand why museum people do not take a few simple steps to “fill the pews” Not just quilt magazines, but all special interest publications, have events calendars which are free and give you a chance to reach an interested audience. All it takes is a call to the reference dept. of the public library or a few minutes online and you’d have a list of address (this is assuming you don’t know a single quilter; one of us would probably say “I’ll have a list to you by the end of the day.”). I had a delicious experience (topped off by a chili dog on the way home); I just wish more of you had been able to share it. Cinda on the Eastern Shore

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:56:05 -0400 | From: “judygrow” <judygrow@>

Cinda,

I am so glad you got to see this show. When Barb G. and I were there we lingered over that quilt that the students of Hannah Hoyt made. We scribbled down almost every saying as well, including the longer poem in the center. The workmanship was remarkable, and the block, using those tear-drop shapes to form a star was unknown to me. Sue R. and I went again a few weeks later — that’s when we lost her in downtown Trenton.

The inking on all those quilts was remarkable, but especially on the Caesar’s Crown. There were so many decorative elements surrounding the signatures. That was my absolute favorite too, and not at all like the typical NJ quilt of the period.

I’d love to know what you and Nancy made of the quilt that contained the silhouette block of the horse “Simon”. There were two dates on it, either 1854 or 71 but definitely 1903 in the center block large as life. Many of the fabrics were fresh and new looking, as though they hadn’t ever been washed, and seemed to be very late 19th century, but the signatures looked as though they had been washed to death — not just faded from light exposure.

I wrote a long rant letter to two friends active in NJ preservation about the museum not only not getting the word out about the show, but also refusing a respected quilt researcher access to the quilts. One friend has written back that no notice was ever received by Preservation New Jersey, or the East Amwell Historic Preservation Committee.

She also said that she has that kind of trouble when she tries to do research at the Hunterdon County Historical Society. They really do believe it’s their “STUFF”.

And yet, the Burlington County Historical Society couldn’t have been more friendly and receptive to quilters than they have been. I think it must just be whoever is in power at the moment.

If those in our own state who would be most interested in a show of historic artifacts of any kind were not notified, then why was the show mounted — with our tax dollars. One would think that a state that is cutting millions of dollars that normally go to the arts would welcome a huge turnout to a State Museum for a special show.

Candace, I sure wish you would weigh in on this.

Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrow@

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A simple to email to the NJ State Guild or emails to the shops listed there would have been lots of free publicity for them.

Debbie Quilting Possibilities Bayville, NJ

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 06:04:20 -0400 | From: “Patricia L. Cummings” <quiltersmuse@>

Cinda wrote:

My favorite was a Caesars Crown of turkey reds and that crazy green (J. G. Row very aptly calls it “pistachio green”–we really do need to agree on a color vocabulary). There were some real puzzles about the construction of that quilt. The Crowns were appliqued to the background, but the background blocks had diagonal seams as if each was put together from four triangles. Why on earth would anybody do this?

I recently made a Caesar’s Crown block to illustrate an article about Bible Blocks. Funny, while making the block, it occurred to me that it would have been a lot easier to appliqué the main unit onto a background square than to do the circular piecing needed to join the design area to each of four corners.

At any rate, the block is aptly categorized as one for “advanced” quilters.

Thanks for the account about the exhibit, Cinda. Wish we could have seen it.

Pat

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 14:20:00 EDT | From: ZegrtQuilt@

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From Janine Janniere re=A0 payment for the Hexagon catalogue from the exhibition in Normandy, France

I called Agnes Gomes , she’s the treasurer of the Conseil Général. She s aid she could accept other forms of payment except Credit cards. So

1) either your bank wires the money directly on their account. Here is the information your bank needs, that is their bank references: Code Banque: 10071 Code Guichet: 76000 Account Number: 09 002 000 274. Cle RIB: 40 The Bank is=A0 Tresor Public (The French State) =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 Quai Jean Moulin =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 76101 Rouen Cedex =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 =A0=A0=A0 France =A0 2) Or a bank check written in Euros to the order of Tresor Public, and sent to the address written=A0=A0 in the previous posting about how to order the catalogue The check must be written by your bank, and the amount has to be exact, not 33 euros but 32,80 euros.

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:10:00 -0400 | From: “judygrow” <judygrow@>

When I made my Mariner’s Compass quilt I had a choice of appliqueing the circles to a large square or piecing them into 4 cut arc/quadrants. I chose the latter because it used far less fabric. By turning the template for each of the 4 pieces so it snugged into the curve of the one before, I bet I used half the yardage than if I’d cut big blocks. It certainly wasn’t an easier process.

My seams were at the halfway point of the long sides, not into the corners, but I can still see that turning the template for each one would be far less wasteful of fabric.

If cost is a consideration, as it might have been in 1840, then there’s your answer.

Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrow@

> I recently made a Caesar’s Crown block to illustrate an article about Bible >Blocks. Funny, while making the block, it occurred to me that it would have >been a lot easier to appliqué the main unit onto a background square than to >do the circular piecing needed to join the design area to each of four >corners.

> At any rate, the block is aptly categorized as one for “advanced” quilters. >

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:39:40 -0400 | From: “Pilar Donoso” <quiltpdmi.cl>

Thank you Judy. That was exactly what I was looking for. I started my own file. Pilar Santiago, CHILE > > Pillar- > My apologies, I missed your inquiry. Here’s a posting from a while back. I have an HIPV folder on my computer desktop that I save items relating to this thorny question, and Alice’s reply has proven most useful time and time again. Giles Wright’s persuasive article should be saved to everyone’s desktop! > Judy

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 06:25:14 -0700 (PDT) | From: Anita Loscalzo <aloscalz@>

For all the early American quilt junkies who attended the Deerfield symposium and anyone else who loves early quilts, there is a photograph of a stunning patchwork quilt with a John Hewson print center medallion on page 203 of the October 2003 ARCHITECTURAL DIGEST. The quilt hangs on the wall in the Manhattan apartment of Susan & Jerry Lauren.

Anita Loscalzo

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:34:57 -0400 | From: aol.com

And God willing, it will never become a piece of upholstery in an upscale apartment….:)

Seriously – the symposium was *wonderful*. I loved meeting everyone from the list, and hope the other participants had as good a time as I did. I learned more in three days than I had in the previous five years!

Kudos to all the presenters, and especially the staff Deerfield, which did a magnificent job. What a great program!

Karen Evans Easthampton, Mass.

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 | From: ARabara15@

Sherry, I would be willing to loan you a square. I have a grouping of 11 or 12 inch squares. I can send you the best example. They are silk and although they are in good condition, ithe square would need to be handled,stored, displayed properly to avoid damage.Please send me the mailing info:

Donald Brokate The Crazy Quilt Collector 104 Cornwall Ave Trenton NJ 08618

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:37:17 EDT | From: ARabara15@

Sherry, I also have a large collection of other squares. Do you need to borrow anything else? Donald Brokate

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:46:11 -0700 | From: <chrisa@>

Hi Karen,

I have posted the first press release about the celebration next year on my website as I told you I would. Would you like this one also?

If you have apicture of the house, or Georgia or anything about the Hall of Fame building that I could include with the announcements, that would be great.

My email server has been on and off lately, so I don’t know if you got my last one about sights on the way to the Shelburne museums. If you didn’t and want the info, let me know. If you did, the Hildene House in Manchester VT is the name of A. Lincoln son’s home I mentioned.

Piece, Kim

—– Original Message —– From: <KareQuilt@> To: “Quilt History List” <qhl@> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: [qhl] QHF Documentary – long

The Quilters Hall of FamePRESS RELEASE – September 2003

DOCUMENTARY TO BE MADE OF THE QUILTERS HALL OF FAME AND THE HISTORY OF QUILTING IN THE 20TH CENTURY

Georgia Bonesteel of television’s longest running quilting series, Lap Quilting with Georgia Bonesteel, announced during her induction into the Quilters Hall of Fame in Marion, Indiana, on July 16, 2003, that she will be making an hour long television documentary in conjunction with University of North Carolina Television during the Grand Opening of The Quilters Hall of Fame in July 2004, covering the history of the Quilters Hall of Fame and other notable aspects of quilting history in the 20th century. The documentary will focus on the dedication of the Marie Webster house as the headquarters of The Quilters Hall of Fame as well as on the overall history of what the honorees have brought to the quilt world, which will include many aspects of the late 20th century quilt revival history. Hazel Carter of Vienna, VA, Founder and President of The Quilters Hall of Fame, responded in an interview following Bonesteel’s induction, ” When I founded The Quilters Hall of Fame in 1979, my dreams were pretty small in comparison to what the dream has now evolved into. The long awaited opening of The Quilters Hall of Fame in the restored house of Marie Webster that will take place in July 2004 will be the capstone of a remarkable journey. When Rosalind Webster Perry offered to donate her grandmother’s condemned house in Marion, Indiana, to The Quilters Hall of Fame in 1991 as our permanent home, I don’t think any of us expected the journey of restoration to be quite so long. The years of volunteer hours that have gone into this project are almost incalculable. To see the dream take still another giant step towards capturing quilting history as Georgia Bonesteel plans for the making of this television documentary simply takes my breath away. This documentary will make it possible to share the reality of The Quilters Hall of Fame and the significance of quilting history within our cultural heritage with quilters and quilt lovers far beyond the boundaries of Marion, Indiana or even North America. We hope quilters and quilt lovers from around the world will voice their appreciation of this documentary by becoming members of the Quilters Hall of Fame, as well as by letting Georgia Bonesteel and UNC-TV know that they wholeheartedly support this effort to record our quilting history. And don’t forget to ask your local PBS stations to air it as well! When quilters set their mind to accomplish something, they can make an enormous difference. I am continually humbled and awed by that reality.” For additional information about The Quilters Hall of Fame’s Grand Opening Celebration, July 15-18, 2004, please send a self-addressed stamped envelope to QHF Grand Opening, P.O. Box 681, Marion, IN 46952-0681. For information about the Grand Opening Quilt Contest, send a self-addressed stamped envelope to QHF Grand Opening Quilt Contest, P.O. Box 681, Marion, IN 46952-0681. PRESS SECRETARY: Karen B. Alexander KareQuiltaol.comQHF ADMINISTRATION: Shea Buck quilterscomteck.com (765) 664 – 9333QHF WEBSITE: www:quiltershalloffame.orgLOCATION: 926 South Washington Street, Marion, INADDRESS: P.O. Box 681, Marion, IN 46952-0681

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:46:11 -0700 [date inferred — no Date: header in source] | From: “jajb” <anne_j@>

Lori, What a miserable situation! I can’t believe they wouldn’t listen to you. I knew this myth had staying power but never dreamed it was so bad.

I have made it my goal to do what I can to discourage teachers from using lesson plans about quilts being used in the UGRR. http://www.womenfolk.com/historyofquilts/research.htm

My goal is to have correct information about the myth come up at or near the top on any possible phrases used to search for information about the UGRR. You really have to be in the first two or three results on Google to make a difference though.

Any of you here who have a website can help by putting a link to good articles like http://www.antiquequiltdating.com/ugrr.html http://historiccamdencounty.com/ccnews11.shtml http://www.culver.org/news/quilts.asp

The more they are linked to the higher they will show in a Google search and the more people will find accurate information on the Internet.

Judging from Lori’s experience someone needs to write an article on the topic geared to Guilds. I would be glad to link to any such article.

Judy Anne

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:46:11 -0700 [date inferred — no Date: header in source] | From: “Sally Ward” <sallytatters@>

> > Any of you here who have a website can help by putting a link to good > articles like

What a good idea! Over here in the UK I am very much a lone voice on this subject, and only maintain a very modest website, but I’ve done exactly as you suggest. Every little helps.

Sally W

Date: Tue, 16 Sep | From: pkeirstead@

Gail just reminded me that I overlooked several states. She has names of interested quilters from Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas, so anybody else from those states is welcome, too. In fact, no matter where you live, we’d love to have you join us. It’s just that I haven’t figured out how to describe such a wide geographic distribution!

Peggy Keirstead

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 [date inferred — source gave only “Tue,” with no day/month/year — day-of-month inferred from this page’s date range] | From: diane shink <dimacquilt@>

Topics look interesting but I am rarely getting the text in the messages. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Diane M Shink

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 [date inferred — no Date: header in source] | From: “jajb”

I hope this isn’t too far off topic. If so just delete it Kris.

I’ve had some problems with Ebay sellers plagiarizing my quilt history articles. Earlier it was a person selling what was supposedly ‘Amish’ quilts and now it is someone selling an African American quilt. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3242578435&category=947

The text is word for word what I have at http://www.womenfolk.com/historyofquilts/afam.htm I know my articles are short and don’t look like much but I put in hours of reading, writing and rewriting on each one. I guess I should be mad but I just feel discouraged.

What is the Ebay policy on copying other’s work? Do sellers really know they shouldn’t and just do it anyway? What really frustrates me is that I have to sign up for Ebay and even give my credit card number in order to write to Ebay and issue a complaint. Since the auctions are only up for a few days I wonder if it’s worth it. <sigh>

Judy Anne (formerly just Anne)

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 [date inferred — no Date: header in source] | From: Judy Kelius

Since I do a lot of selling on eBay, I reported to eBay that the seller is using copyrighted material in their description . . . they might stop the auction. They have a specific policy prohibiting sellers from copying another seller’s text and photos, and I hope it extends to this kind of plagiarism as well.

Did you write the sellers and tell them this is wrong? You could ask them to put a link to your article if people want to learn more . . . this is what I do sometimes when I list something and there is a good article on the internet telling more about the item. That way you both win!

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 [date inferred — no Date: header in source] | From: Dana Balsamo

Judy Anne, That is just disgusting. It definitely is worth complaining about. Your material is copyrighted and this listing infringes upon that. Recently the woman who owns a store named “Shabby Chic” went and had her name copyrighted and now no one is allowed to try to sell an item with that description. That, in my personal opinion is petty, but she was able to get ebay to terminate many auctions with that phrase, and it is to my understaning that ebay pays a fine if they don’t. Granted, you will come up with 900+ listings using that phrase still, but I know of sellers who have had there’s cancelled for this reason. Contact VERO at ebay for this: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/programs-vero-ov.html

Here’s where you can report it: http://pages.ebay.com/help/confidence/vero-image-text-theft.html

Good luck, Dana

jajb <anne_j@> wrote: I hope this isn’t too far off topic. If so just delete it Kris.

Judy Anne (formerly just Anne)

Date: Tue, 16 Sep | From: <chrisa@>

In case you don’t have a chance to see the John Hewson quilt pictured in the October issue of Arch. Digest, it is the same one that is in Kiracofe’s book on page 54. There’s been a slight change in date perhaps, as the magazine says circa 1790 and the Kiracofe book(1993 pub. date) states c. 1800. The magazine picture is large and colorful (perhaps a little lightened, using the indigo triangles as a comparison), and grand except for the metal ram sculpture sitting upon a white contemporary parson’s table which together cover up half of the Hewson panel- The owners are heralded as top American folk art collectors, with an emphasis on sculpture.

Kim Wulfert

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 18:02:26 | From: <chrisa@>

Funny you should mention this today <<Recently the woman who owns a store named “Shabby Chic” >>

For years I lived a few blocks from the original store in Santa Monica CA. Perhaps the person Dana referred to is a different lady but on Sunday I was at the Rose Bowl Flea market where stopped by a vendor selling some vintage looking fabric clothing. They didn’t have my size and I was told that the store in SM that was called Shabby Chic is now called Subtle Tones. It seems odd that she would fight the copyright battle and change her name, unless the name change came first.

Kim Wulfert

Judy- a vendor from eBay asked to use part of a website article of mine sometime back. I told her no permission was being granted, but I feared she may not care. I have never checked on it, but haven’t heard from anyone she has. I think you have every right to feel the way you do. I know you put a lot of time and effort into your articles. How dare she use parts AND not give you credit. If it is the same vendor, perhaps getting a no from me got her to thinking it was best for her not to ask. WRONG. Carry on and fight this plagiarizing. It could effect her sales if word gets out to even conscience individuals. This list was a good place to start.

Kim Wulfert

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 05:49:14 -0400 | From: Debbie Cupp <Cupp5@>

I have been reading

The Language Police

>”The Language Police” is the first full-scale expose of this >cultural and educational scandal, written by a leading historian. It >documents the existence of an elaborate and well-established >protocol of beneficent censorship, quietly endorsed and implemented >by test makers and textbook publishers, states, and the federal >government. School boards and bias and sensitivity committees >review, abridge, and modify texts to delete potentially offensive >words, topics, and imagery. Publishers practice self-censorship to >sell books in big states. >

Many examples are given in the book about committee comments/cuts/censorship on topics in tests, books, textbooks for children. Including the passage below:

>WOMEN AND PATCHWORK QUILTING > >The bias and sensitivity reviewers rejected a passage about >patchwork quilting by women on the western frontier in the >mid-nineteenth century. The passage explained that mothers in that >time taught their daughters to sew, and together they made quilts >for the girl’s dowry when she married. Quilting was an economic >necessity because it saved money, and there were no factory-made >quilts available until the end of the nineteenth century. The >passage briefly explained how quilts were assembled and described >them as works of art. The information in the passage was >historically accurate, but the bias and sensitivity panel (as well >as the “content expert panel”) objected to the passage because it >contained stereotypes of females as “soft” and “submissive.” >Actually, the passage did nothing of the sort. It was a description >of why quilting was important to women on the frontier and how it >was done. Nothing in the passage excluded the possibility that >mothers and daughters were riding the range, plowing the fields, and >herding cattle during the day. The reviewers objected to the >portrayal of women as people who stitch and sew, and who were >concerned about preparing for marriage. Historical accuracy was no >defense for this representation of women and girls, which they >deemed stereotypical. >

Interesting! Debbie Cupp, hunkering down in Virginia Beach

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 [date inferred — source gave only “Wed, 17” with no month/year — unambiguous within this page’s date range] | From: “Teddy Pruett” <aprayzer@>

<<Judging from Lori’s experience someone needs to write an article on the topic geared to Guilds. I would be glad to link to any such article.>>

Well, duh!!! Why didn’t I think of that??? The editor of the statewide Sunshine State Quilter’s Guild has asked me to write articles, and it never even occurred to me to blast the pants off “the myth that won’t die”. Well, perhaps that is a bit overzealous, but it would be nice to plant a seed in the minds of our quilters that perhaps HIPV and the use of quilts on the UGRR are less than accurate.

Now, all I have to do is find some time between 3 and 4 a.m. every morning to get this thing written – my only free time until next May. Teddy Pruett

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 [date inferred — source gave only “Wed, 17” with no month/year — unambiguous within this page’s date range] | From: Jackie Joy <joysbees@>

I feel that plagiarism is really awful, so I took it upon myself to write to the e-bay seller. She responded:

“Hello,

Thank you for bringing this to my attention! I have someone else listing my items for me.

There should have been a link or credit. I did not know it was copied. However, it was my

responsibility to make sure someone gets credit for their work.

Thank you again,

Louanne LaRoche”

I hope this makes the author feel better.

Jackie Joy

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 10:37:46 -0700 | From: “jajb” <anne_j@>

A member here wrote to the seller for me and she was quite apologetic. Apparently someone else puts up her auctions for her. Unfortunately the earlier time this happened my DIL wrote and the seller claimed that everything on the Internet was public domain and threatened to report her because she has used the brand name of some clothing she was selling.

I guess I need to sign up for Ebay just so I can write to people in these circumstances. You just never know what the reaction will be. I have >>America’s Quilting History © 1998 – 2003 Anne Johnson Please use the information on this site for personal and noncommercial purposes only.<< on my homepage but it looks like I need to put it on all pages. Not that it would stop everyone.

I can’t believe someone copyrighted shabby chic. It seems to me that general descriptive terms should not be copyrighted. Kim, I’ll bet that shop had to change their name because of the copyright.

>>They have a specific policy prohibiting sellers from copying another seller’s text and photos, and I hope it extends to this kind of plagiarism as well.<<

I think they should specifically add written material and photos from anywhere on the Internet as well to the policy.

Thanks everyone for the help and feedback.

Judy Anne

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:20:44 -0700 (PDT) | From: Ark Quilts <quiltarkmv@>

Hello all! It is very sad that we have so many people using the Internet that are not information literate. As a school teacher and library media specialist, I stress and stress and preach and preach to students that they cannot copy & paste any items they find without giving credit; asking for permission to use; or, following current copyright guidelines.

If your materials have been plagiarized, it really would be best to spell out to viewers of your internet pages the copyright terms of use for your materials. If they read the entire page–or maybe you should create an entire page explaining it–maybe they will get the point. If the explanation is clearly posted, they have no excuse for abusing the copyright terms of use. (And maybe if you want to sue, you have a basis for that if you want to check with a lawyer.)

I have always been very careful of my quilting class handouts, patterns, and anything that is published. I once had a student who took my class, took notes on how I taught the class, and then turned around & taught my class, using my class handouts at a local air force base. I found out when she asked me a question and she had 20 copies of my handout in her hand. I asked why she made copies when it clearly said at the bottom that the material was copyrighted and copies could not be made without my written permission. When she could not explain..I asked her outright if she was teaching my class some place else. I further explained that this was a situation where her copying my handouts and “stealing” by class could be addressed in a lawsuit situation because it deprived me of income. She apologized to me and told me she had been teaching my classes and copying my class handouts. I told her in very clear terms that she did not have my permission to do that and that I would not give anyone permission to do that. I was beginning to wonder why fewer and fewer people were signing up for my classes and I found out why that day. She registered for my classes, took them, and then turned around & copied the lessons & taught the class herself. She claimed that since she paid 1 registration fee that she was entitled to make any copies she wanted & was free to teach the class.

Since I had her address, I simply copied the current copyright guidelines that dealt with “deprivation of profit” and “copying without written permission” and mailed them to her. Then I tracked down the sponsoring agency at the local air force base & informed the person in charge what the woman had done. She was immediately dropped as an instructor. Needless to say, she never signed up for another one of my quilting classes.

And since that time I have taken the time to explain at the beginning of EVERY class that I do not give permission to copy my class or my handouts. I haven’t had further problems. And yes, it was more work for me, but I always thought it was worth it to eliminate future problems in case any of the students taking my classes were thinking along those lines.

However, there are so many people out there that do not understand it…….best of luck to you.

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 19:41:05 -0400 | From: <mreich@>

This is my favorite quilt poem for autumn. So to welcome a favorite New England time of the year, I hope you enjoy it as well. sue reich

Needlecraft: the Magazine of Home Arts October 1931

AUTUMN SONG By Nyleen Newton

FROM the sharp – scented cupboards bring tonight The ancient patchwork quilts, so dreaming-bright; Without, the crickets’ drowsy song, the sound Of ripe fruit falling to the frost-warped ground, The little winds; so fold us into sleep – Dear homely quilts, give rest so dim and deep.

TONIGHT a moon swings lanthorn-like and low; Bring out the quilts and heap them, so, High in the white-wreathed sky the stars are cold; Now is the time when all the earth is old. About my room the winter’s shadows creep, Dear brave and humble quilts, give me to sleep.

AND I – so young – I love the autumn peace, The crickets’ violin, that knows no cease – Each day I sew of all my dreams a quilt – Of all the laughter that my youth has spilt – I make it thus, so when I wish to sleep, Happiness-woven, it will fold me deep.

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:40:29 -0400 | From: macdowel@

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Tradition turns to cyber space MSU MUSEUM’S GREAT LAKES QUILT CENTER LAUNCHES VIRTUAL FUNDRAISING QUILT

MSU MUSEUM, EAST LANSING, MICH. – The Michigan State University Museum’s Great Lake Quilt Center has launched the first-of-its-kind virtual fundraising quilt. A minimum contribution of $25 helps support GLQC documentation, preservation and programming activities; and donors names are added to the quilt square for the quilt that grows and grows in cyberspace. The quilt can be viewed at: http://www.museum.@/glqc/rafflequilt.html .

The design of this cyber-quilt is based on a Churn Dash Quilt made in 1893 by Martha Marian Lovina Hoskins Spencer of Hillsdale, Mich., in the collection of Michigan State University Museum, East Lansing, Mich. The fabrics in the virtual block are represent styles found in RJR Fashion Fabric’s Michigan State University Reproduction Fabric line, also drawn from historic MSU Museum quilt collections.

Creating quilts for fundraising efforts is a deep tradition. For decades, individuals (mostly women) have raised funds for worthwhile causes through selling, raffling or auctioning off whole quilts. Women have also made subscription quilts, whereby individuals pay a sum of money for the privilege of having their name inked or embroidered on to a quilt square.

“The virtual fundraising quilt takes that tradition to new places and allows the quilt can grow virtually forever while at the same time helping to preserve our actual physical quilts,” explains Marsha MacDowell, curator of folk arts at the MSU Museum and the Center’s director.

“Expanding, caring for, and using the collections all demand substantial financial support,” she adds. “While Michigan State University provides the basic space and utilities for the collections, the majority of the additional costs must be raised through grants and donations. The generous support of individuals and organizations are critical to the quilt collection maintenance and the center’s activities.”

The MSU Museum’s Great Lakes Quilt Center, houses a collection of more than 500 historic and contemporary quilts kept in a state-of-the-art, rolled-storage system in the museum’s collections center. Full and part-time curatorial and collection management staff members supervise the daily care and special uses of the collections. In 2001 the museum and the Great Lakes Quilt Center established an affiliation with the Alliance for American Quilts in a nationwide effort to further the recognition of quilts; to preserve the history of quilts and quilt-makers; and to establish the Center for the Quilt, a place that actively communicates with people about quilts and quilting. For more information about the center, see http://museum.@/glqc/index.html.

The Michigan State University Museum is Michigan’s natural and cultural history museum, and an affiliate of the Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C. The MSU Museum features three floors of special collections and changing exhibits, and is open seven days a week free of charge (donations are welcome). The museum is located on West Circle Drive next to Beaumont Tower on the MSU campus, and is accessible to persons with disabilities. For more information and to learn if there are quilt exhibits on view, contact (517) 355-2370 or see www.museum.@. ####

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:28:05 -0400 | From: “Nancy Roberts” <aquilter@>

I’m curious about the Shabby Chic copyright. Isn’t there a program on HGTV titled the same? And maybe the hostess even has a book by that title? Is the tv personality also the shopowner who copyrighted? I’m always surprised by the ease with which common use terms are copyrighted. Nancy Roberts

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:10:51 -0400 | From: macdowel@

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Aargh!!! I sent the press release that did not have the updated website. Here is the correct one. My apologies! — Marsha

Tradition turns to cyber space MSU MUSEUM’S GREAT LAKES QUILT CENTER LAUNCHES VIRTUAL FUNDRAISING QUILT

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:10:51 -0400 [date inferred — no Date: header in source] | From: “Christine Thresh”

A book title cannot be copyrighted. Trademarks protect names or certain symbols used with names.

September 12 – 18, 2003

September 1 – 7, 2001

September 15 – 19, 1998

November 1 – 4, 2006

March 31 – April 1, 1997

March 1 – 5, 2004

December 23 – 31, 1998

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