July 31 – August 1, 1997

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Primary topics of this QHL Digest:

  1. Quilt Myths vs. Documented Fact — The “intentional flaw” and feedsack-vs-yard-goods stories get the same documentation scrutiny as the ongoing Log Cabin legend. (see the article on quilt folklore)
  2. Folk Dyeing with Mud and Kudzu — Members swap stories of traditional clay-mud and kudzu-leaf dyeing methods from the South and Appalachia. (see the article on natural dyes)
  3. Distinguishing Feedsack from Bolt Fabric — A question about whether feedsack-look fabric in an old piece could actually be store-bought yard goods of the same era. (see the article on the feedsack story)
  4. AQS Appraiser Certification & the Omaha QRS Conference — Plans and details for certified quilt appraisals available at an upcoming meeting. (see the article on quilt appraisers)

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:33:34 -0400 (EDT) | From: AJSNGS [at] aol [dot] com

Carla and all,

Don’t forget that you can usually get books via the inter-library loan

system, and it’s much less expensive to do this rather than borrow from

others and pay alot of postage to mail and insure books both ways. I’ve done

this for several quilting books that I wanted to look at before considering

buying. Just go to your local library and they have forms that you fill out

for the loan. 

Hope this helps,

Nancy Sentipal in Virginia (where it is unseasonably chilly–and I’m NOT

complaining!)


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:46:25 -0400 (EDT) | From: Quiltfix [at] aol [dot] com

then again, why should we assume that all quilters have the purest

motives, while TV historians (and these whom I was watching we *interviewed*

by the TV show and are respected in their field) are suspect? I mean,

quilting was romanticized to sell patterns earlier in the century.

ALan


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT) | From: Quiltfix [at] aol [dot] com

Did what I promised myself I wouldn’t. HP, if the previous post

seemed a bit curt, I apologize.  I wrote and sent it immediately.  Usually I

save posts an entire day before sending, so I can re-read and revise.

Also, I meant to say earlier pattern sellers tended to *over*-romanticize.

 We all romanticize to one extent or another.  So let’s not fight over that

point, OK?  I basically just wanted to say that we cannot automatically hold

suspect other historians for their “hidden agendas” without doing the same to

ourselves. Fair’s fair, and everyone is human, whether we like to admit it

or not.

And for the record, I get myself into trouble, and wade into the fray on

other lists too.

Alan


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:49:43 -0400 | From: Merry May <gridgees [at] algorithms [dot] com>

I have to wholeheartedly agree with Brenda’s post about acknowledging that

myths seem to be here to stay in the quilt world, and that it’s up to us to

CONFIRM that they are romantic MYTHS until they can be proven or disproven.

My personal pet peeve with the myths is the one about the “intentional

flaw.” Why would anyone be so pretentious as to claim to have made their

quilt so “perfect” that they HAD to include a flaw in it??!! Think about

this for a minute.  Have any of US ever made a perfect quilt?  I DON’T

THINK SO!

Being of the human race, it’s my policy to screw up at least once a day….

and of course, that includes whatever project I might be working on!! <G>

… and now, back to lurkdom…..

Merry May (a.k.a. Inspector Cluesew)

🙂

Schoolhouse Enterprises

gridgees [at] algorithms [dot] com

http://quilt.com/GG


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:33:27 -0400 (EDT) | From: Sue <erroof [at] alpha [dot] wcoil [dot] com>

out the coupon section of your Sunday paper. I have a coupon for

Northern Quilted (Knitted) Tissue. Guess they didn’t get all the ads changed.

Sue in NW Ohio


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:00:06 -0400 (EDT) | From: HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com

grateful that Northern tissue isn’t really knitted. All those holes would

definitely cause problems!!

Penny(HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com)


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:24:25 -0700 | From: Frank & Inge Stocklin <stocklin [at] erols [dot] com>

everyone is probably tired from sifting thru myths and facts can I

add this little footnote.

From all these messages, I hope we have learned a lesson that if we put

symbolism into our quilts, that we will also document the meaning,

hopefully on a label on the back.  This will save a lot of quilters from

doing a lot of research and guess-work 100 years from now!

I do enjoy reading all the comments!  Regards, Inge

Visit my web page… still haven’t learned how to make 2 corrects on my

page – any help out there.

http://www.erols.com/stocklin/


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:54:47 -0400 (EDT) | From: Palampore [at] aol [dot] com

Good response Kris.  I think we all have to remember that there was not a quilt rule

book and if there was a standard of that time it was like we still hear

—— rules are made to be broken.  So I think the center of log cabins

mystery was buried along with the makers.  Any good research projects going

on out there?  Let us hear from you. Lynn in NC


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:15:33 -0400 (EDT) | From: Palampore [at] aol [dot] com

If a quilt top already has brittle fabric in it from a fiber science

standpoint don’t wash it.  You are 99% sure it will ravel or  threads will

fall out.  Not sure what the buttermilk reference is to—-I thought that was

to brighten a quilt. Just use the quilt in a manner which will not allow it

to get dirty, because pulling, tugging, and wrapping up in will also send the

brittle threads to cracking.  When quilting old fabric I would think that

using larger stitches is needed in most cases unless the fabric is extremely

strong. I have been told by an expert in the field to never quilt tops made

prior to the

early 1900″s.  This is because looks can often be deceiving, and strong

looking fabric can often fall apart under the stress of those sought after

tiny stressful stitches. Lynn in NC


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:56:14 -0500 (CDT) | From: celmore [at] ksu [dot] edu

will be attending the QRS meeting in Omaha and will be doing appraisals

at the meeting.

Carol Elmore

AQS Certified Quilt Appraiser

Manhattan, KS

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 QuiltFixer [at] aol [dot] com wrote:

> Would like to hear from any and all who are going to the QRS meeting in Omaha

> in September.  Also from people who are attending Barbara B.’s fabric

> indentification class right afterwards.

Please E-mail me at

> QuiltFixer [at] aol [dot] com

>

>


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:55:37 | From: didde [at] cyberport [dot] com

12:47 PM 7/30/97 -0400, you wrote:

>One of my students inquired recently as to whether or not I had ever heard of

>”mud dyeing” in the Appalachian region. She said that her grandmother told

>her that they used to dig a hole in either red or yellow clay here in

>Alabama. They would fill the hole with water, put in the fabric and leave it

>there for one week to dye it. Then they’d cut it into shapes and quilt it. (I

>suppose this would be a secondary source, historically speaking). I told her

>that I would research it for her and that it was certainly possible for

>several reasons:

Penny —

This form of dying is not only done in the Appalachian area. My

Grandmother, whom I learned my quilting from, used natural dyes for muslin

and white flour sacks along with her wools.  Here in the southwest we have

wonderful red clay that make a great dye.  This red clay was not local to

where my grandmother lived, but she have brought in a large mount of this

clay to use for mud dying. Along with mud dying we often did dying with

herbs and flowers.

Yvonne

didde [at] cyberport [dot] com


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:36:03 -0700 (PDT) | From: Burney Adair <burney [at] wf [dot] quik [dot] com>

thanks for your info. on the  book. I posted a request earlier this

week requesting information on “older piecing” and applique tecniques. The

quilt I will replicate is a Rose of Sharon that was originally white, red,

and green.  Since it was found in an abandoned warehouse, floating in a

wooden trunk, it is now a soft Taupe, red, and green due to the redish clay

in the north Texas – southern Oklahoma region waters.

In Lone Star, A Legacy of Texas Quilts, 1836 – 1936, by Karoline P.

Bresenham and Nancy O, Puentes, there is a Whig’s Defeat Quilt with “soft

rosy beige” centers.  Page 42 discusses clay dyeing and book called

Vegetable Dying, by Alma Lesch, pub 1970 which was a set of instructions

for dying with clay.

I hope this info helps with your research.  Marta Adair


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:23:10 -0700 (PDT) | From: Burney Adair <burney [at] wf [dot] quik [dot] com>

I don’t know your name but am responding to your post regarding the

Omaha meeting.  I can hardly wait to be in Omaha.  I was there two years

ago but missed Albany.  I will be there with bells on and a big “Fabriholic

Smile” on my face.  Truly, I can hardly wait to overload on all the

knowledge. See you there!  Marta Adair


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:01:54 -0700 | From: Quilting Heritage ListServ <qrs [at] mail [dot] albany [dot] net>

guys?  Please don’t debunk this myth.  It is this very myth that I tell

*everyone* who looks at my quilts.  “I did it that way on purpose…”  <G>

Kris

>

>My personal pet peeve with the myths is the one about the “intentional

>flaw.” Why would anyone be so pretentious as to claim to have made their

>quilt so “perfect” that they HAD to include a flaw in it??!! Think about

>this for a minute.  Have any of US ever made a perfect quilt?  I DON’T

>THINK SO!

>

>Being of the human race, it’s my policy to screw up at least once a day….

>and of course, that includes whatever project I might be working on!! <G>

>

>… and now, back to lurkdom…..

>

>Merry May (a.k.a. Inspector Cluesew)

🙂

>Schoolhouse Enterprises

>gridgees [at] algorithms [dot] com

>http://quilt.com/GG

>

>

>

>


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:49:52 -0700 | From: Diane Lockwood <dcl [at] innercite [dot] com>

When I visited Georgia for a couple of weeks last month, I dropped in at a

little clothing store near Calico Quilter in Roswell. The store had two

stacks of tshirts on a table. One stack was orangish the other was a light

green. Each shirt had a little plactic bag attached holding either some

Georgia clay/dirt or a piece of Kudzu leaf. Yep, you guessed it…each

shirt was dyed with one or the other!

Someone finally figured out what to do with Kudzu!!

Diane


Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:57:53 -0700 | From: Carol Elmore <celmore [at] ksu [dot] edu>

AQS certified appraisers will also be available to do appraisals

at the Omaha QRS conference.  I didn’t want all of you to think I was

the only one who would be there.  I have had several of you ask if you

could observe appraisals because you are interested in the certification

program. Just check with the appraiser and the quilt owner whose quilt

is being appraised to make sure it’s o.k. for you to observe. Some

quilt owners want their appraisals to be private and others welcome

apprentice appraisers.  I hope I’ll get to meet a lot of you QHLer’s.  I

love reading all your comments.

Carol Elmore

Manhattan, KS


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:28:43 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

<<

 The statement made me curious, so I’m going to an expert: Is it true that

feedsack *fabric* was also available on the bolt during the same time period

as the sacks, which would mean the squares I point to in my vintage pieces as

*sacks* are not necessarily from that source?

In other words, these squares

could just as easily have been from the dry goods store?

  >>

I am posting this inquiry to the membership of QHL as several were also

interested..

Yes, feedsacks did come in yardage as well as individucal sacks..When the

sacks became so popular, both for personal interest as well as necessity, it

appeared in dry good stores as yardage.  I have  a nice large piece in THE

FEEDSACK CLUB’S collection..and before anyone asks..we have plenty of

feedsacks available in many sizes, but nothing from the collection..Jane


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:39:23 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

following the thread of MYTH & DOCUEMENTION..what does one call

docuementation? What constitutes it?  Jane of THE FEEDSACK CLUB


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:18:35 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

<< At 12:47 PM 7/30/97 -0400, you wrote:

 >One of my students inquired recently as to whether or not I had ever heard

of

 >”mud dyeing” in the Appalachian region. She said that her grandmother told

 >her that they used to dig a hole in either red or yellow clay here in

 >Alabama. They would fill the hole with water, put in the fabric and leave

it

 >there for one week to dye it. Then they’d cut it into shapes and quilt it.

(I

 >suppose this would be a secondary source, historically speaking). I told

her

 >that I would research it for her and that it was certainly possible for

 >several reasons:

   Penny —

   This form of dying is not only done in the Appalachian area. My

 Grandmother, whom I learned my quilting from, used natural dyes for muslin

 and white flour sacks along with her wools.  Here in the southwest we have

 wonderful red clay that make a great dye.  This red clay was not local to

 where my grandmother lived, but she have brought in a large mount of this

 clay to use for mud dying. Along with mud dying we often did dying with

 herbs and flowers.

   Yvonne >>

Penny, I believe that JEAN ANN EITEL posted on this thread when QHL first

started..if she is following this thead, she’ll join in with input..or you

can email her for info.  Jane of THE FEEDSACK CLUB

JEAN ANN EITEL  <quiltmag [at] mindspring [dot] com>


Date: 97-07-31 13:11:06 EDT | From: didde [at] cyberport [dot] com

Forwarded message:

didde [at] cyberport [dot] com

At 12:47 PM 7/30/97 -0400, you wrote:

>One of my students inquired recently

as to whether or not I had ever heard of

>”mud dyeing” in the Appalachian

region. She said that her grandmother told

>her that they used to dig a hole

in either red or yellow clay here in

>Alabama. They would fill the hole with

water, put in the fabric and leave it

>there for one week to dye it. Then

they’d cut it into shapes and quilt it. (I

>suppose this would be a

secondary source, historically speaking). I told her

>that I would research

it for her and that it was certainly possible for

>several reasons:

Penny

—

This form of dying is not only done in the Appalachian area.

 My

Grandmother, whom I learned my quilting from, used natural dyes for

muslin

and white flour sacks along with her wools.  Here in the southwest we

have

wonderful red clay that make a great dye.  This red clay was not local

to

where my grandmother lived, but she have brought in a large mount of

this

clay to use for mud dying. Along with mud dying we often did dying

with

herbs and flowers.

Yvonne

didde [at] cyberport [dot] com


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:45:11 -0400 (EDT) | From: Quilt97 [at] aol [dot] com

was sent to me recently, I think by Stella. My apologies if someone

else sent it — after answering them, I deleted all address info. Then

someone recommended this be posted to the forum . ..

<< Hi Elisabeth,  I have a book called  “The Romance of the Patchwork Quilt in America” and

here is what I found out about the blocks you mentioned. There was no design

shown for Underground Railroad when i went to the page in the index. But

Slave Chain is

described this way.

“Job’s Tears” in 1800. In 1825 it became the “Slave Chain”

showing the

tendency of the times, when slavery and not religion was the paramount

issue

of the  day. In 1840 when Texas was the topic in everyone’s thoughts this

pattern

became  “Texas Tears”. After the Civil War it was called “The Rocky Road

to Kansas” or “Kansas Troubles” and finally it became the “Endless Chain”

That is a whole lot of history for one block huh?

Hope this helps,

>>

Elisabeth in south TX where the rain we need fell on the industrial section

of town yesterday


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:33:21 -0400 (EDT) | From: HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com

Thanks for the info. There is a gal here who sells Alabama mud T-shirts in 6

states. She got started when her clothes got stained with some of our red

clay(which only the Lord could remove!). I hadn’t heard about kudzu, though!

WOW!

Penny(HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com)


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:44:56 -0400 (EDT) | From: CToczek [at] aol [dot] com

times I’ve wondered just HOW our quilting ancestors found TIME to quilt

during their busy days of building lives from scratch.

I’ve wondered even

more when the frustration of balancing crying, crawling, walking babies with

colic, teething, ear infections (then toddlers, then pre-schoolers) with

keeping a family together while Army Dad was deployed threatened to overwhelm

me.

Quilting was a sanity saver during those years; now it is a daily joy

for me.

  Again I ask, how did THEY do it, with so many more daily chores

than I could ever imagine accomplishing?

I found an answer while reading a copy of John Irwin’s *A People and Their

Quilts* which I found used through the internet.

On page 25 he interviewed

Ethel Hall of Tennessee:

She said:

“I’d take my little babies out in the corn field where I’s

chopping corn when they’s two weeks old.  I’d take me an old quilt and spread

it down under the shade somewhere.  I’d lay the little feller down there and

I’d put a cheesecloth over him when he’s asleep to keep the flies and

mosquitoes off-….I’d come by every two hours to feed him, then I’d go back

to workin’ in the field-choppin’ corn, diggin’ out stumps or whatever else

I’s doing.  They’d lay there and sleep all morning and all afternoon.” 

And I’ve worried about sending my own two little ones to our 90’s daycare

*playgroups.* It puts things in the proper perspective, I think.

Carla in dry, dry, dry West Texas


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:32:26 -0400 | From: quiltmag [at] mindspring [dot] com (Jean Ann Eitel)

saw those t-shirts yesterday too. I was in Blueridge GA where I bought a

great antique 3/4 Jenny Lind Bed with high fancy headboard for my own

bedroom. My old quilts are going to look great on it.

BTW, my grandsons do a great job with the red clay dye on their summer play

clothes…they love to roll around in the dirt and their mother says it

will not wash out no matter what! she buys their play clothes at thrift

shops cause she knows they will be ruined in at first wearing

Jean Ann Eitel, Editor

QUILT Magazines


Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:27:28 -0400 | From: “Miklos B. Lukacs” <mlukacs [at] webbernet [dot] net>

Yes, pull down that Kudzu and dye, dye. I was amazed how it took over
areas in the south. Connie L.


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:20:34 -0400 (EDT) | From: HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com

I don’t know about everyone else, but when I get a “we used to do this” or
“my mother/grandmother said they used to” type of story, I ask them to write
it up and sign it and send it to me. Primary documentation I tend to record
like a bibliography if it is in a published source, otherwise I have it
copied.

Penny(HPQuilting [at] aol [dot] com)


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:56:49 -0400 | From: “Phyllis Twigg” <ptwigg [at] radix [dot] net>

Jane,

I’m in the process of buying a feedsack one piece type “outfit” from an =
antique shop in southern Maryland. I mailed my check today but I have to =
go pick it up sometime this month (about an hour’s drive from =
Annapolis).There’s a drawstring around the “neck” of the top of a
feedsack(actually it looks like a big running stitch and that’s all.).I
would say that the sideseams are still the bag’s seams. The feedsack has
printing on it but is basically the muslin utilitarian type bag. Between
the legs it is just sewn in a big inverted “u” shape. I guess the
length comes down to the knees. The sleeves are made from a faded dirty
looking flowery type pinkish feeedsack fabric. The whole thing is quite
crude ! (0r shall we say primitive.) I saw it for the first time about
two weeks ago and didn’t buy it but it stuck in my mind.It’s around $
30. When I went back to the shop yesterday,the place was closed due to a
doctor’s appointment.So today I called and purchased it over the phone.
I think the antique dealer found it in a barn. They say it is the real
thing – that someone wore it. I’m trying to get more information from
the owner ( it’s a multi-dealer shop).

Does this sound to you like a slave wore it (or at least a very poor
person) ? After I pick it up I will give you more definite
information.I’lll let you know the words that are on the bag.I think it
will need washing. Will that hurt it ? Maybe Orvus soap and dry flat ?

Well, what do you think? Hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks,

Phyllis ptwigg [at] radix [dot] net=20


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:05:05 -0400 (EDT) | From: Quiltfix [at] aol [dot] com

Y’know, I was thinking some more about the log cabin as it relates to the
Underground Railroad and had another thought. How long can you air out a
quilt before the neighbors notice something strange? I think that a quilt
hung out every day would end up being a red-flag to others that something
isn’t quite right. Also, do you hang it on rainy/cold days?

Do you see where I’m going? I really, really think that this is a
romanticization (is that a real word?) of the quilts. It would make more
sense to build the signal into the body of a person’s home.

Someone also asked about a block named Underground Railroad. If memory
serves me, Jacob’s Ladder had that as another name. Never heard of Slaves
Chain (the mental images that brings up are truly awful).

And on a lighter note, my aunt gave me one of my great-grandmother’s
appliqued butterfly quilts.

FYI for people in NYS – there is a display of 15 quilts (1700’s and 1800’s)
at the Johnson Museum at Cornell University, Ithaca, NY. Not certain about
the exact dates, but my father said it’s gonna last a couple more weeks (he
even has offered to go take pix! What a guy. ) Thought you might want to
know.

Alan


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:12:50 -0700 | From: Jocelyn
>
QHL [at] cuenet [dot] com

After the Civil War it was called “The Rocky Road
> to Kansas” or “Kansas Troubles” and finally it became the “Endless Chain”

Currently, there are two blocks, Rocky Road to Kansas, which is 
reminiscent of Jacob’s Ladder, and Kansas Troubles, which is made up 
of half-square triangles- one half of the block is a plain color, the 
other half is made up of a slightly smaller triangle with a border on 
the two outside edges made up of half-square triangles.

I suspect it is the former block that is the one that transmogrified 
from Slave Chain, as there’s nothing ‘chainlike’ about the block I 
know as Kansas Troubles.
Jocelyn


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:12:53 -0700 | From: Jocelyn

> In following the thread of MYTH & DOCUEMENTION..what does one call
> docuementation? What constitutes it? Jane of THE FEEDSACK CLUB

Jane,
The most minimal documentation contains a description of where the 
person who is recounting the story, heard it. One of my professors 
says that ANY time you’re making a statement you’re alleging to be 
fact, you should have a source on it. (obviously, papers for his 
class are liberally footnoted! )
If the source is a book, enough information should be given so that 
anyone can find the book on their own. If it’s a personal 
communication, enough information should be given so that the 
audience can judge the reliability of the source. For example, if I 
said that an Amish woman told me something about quilting, you 
wouldn’t know much. Maybe she’s not a quilter, and is just repeating 
her misunderstandings. But if I told you that Mrs. Ruth Yoder of 
City, State, who is locally regarded as a quilter of great 
excellence, and as THE expert on quilt history, told me that over her 
80-year lifetime, she had learned that…… you would have enough 
information to decide if you wanted to believe Mrs. Yoder’s oral 
history of quilting or not. Also, if I’m using Mrs. Yoder as an 
expert, I should be ready to refer any other scholars to her so that 
they can verify I heard her correctly….instead of ‘well, I don’t 
know who she was…she was just an Amish woman who was standing by 
the road when I pulled up and asked for directions, and we got to 
talking…’.


The closer documentation is to a ‘primary source’ or an eyewitness, 
the better. Remember the game of ‘Gossip’ we used to play as kids, 
and how after you got a circle of four or more, the message was 
always garbled? So it is with oral history. Someone suggested that 
the origin of the legend was perhaps that the black-centered log 
cabin quilt was made for unknown reasons, but used at least once as a 
signal for the UR, as in ‘go to the house that’s airing the 
black-centered Log Cabin quilt’. On other days, it could have been 
a nine-patch. It strikes me as likely that it was used this way at 
least once, and perhaps a slave child remembered it so clearly that 
she told the story to her children (I know I have memories of things 
happening ‘all the time’ in my childhood, when they happened only 
once or twice!). But that’s a jump to saying it was commonly used, or 
that black-centered quilts were MADE for that purpose. It could just 
as easily have been a blue apron, or a bowl of apples on the porch! 

The very best documentation would be someone who used the quilt in 
this way, who wrote in a diary at the time. Second best would be 
perhaps a daughter, writing in HER diary, ‘Mama gave me the 
black-centered log cabin quilt, that she had used as a signal when 
she was a conductress.” After that, would come a grandchild, who’d 
heard the story from Grandma, but didn’t think to write it down until 
she was an adult…..
Jocelyn


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:08:14 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

Burney, that was a wonderful post on how to use our computors more
efficiently. For those adept at it, skip on. For beginners..A SUPER POST.
Jane


Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 19:33:41 -0400 (EDT) | From: Baglady111 [at] aol [dot] com

YOU LUCKY DUCK!! I would have LOVED TO HAVE FOUND IT!!! I don’t know if it
was a slave garment..I don’t know how it could be determined to be that..or a
very poor person../there were so many of each..I know of several members who
willl be DELIGHTED TO HELP YOU..and I hope you will photograph it in various
positions to get a good shot of it at all angles..and share..I for one will
be happy to pay for the film/developing..I am particulary interested in
seeing the neck and the crotch..WHAT A FIND!! GOOD FOR YOU..Jane

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