September 1 – 6, 2000
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Primary topics of this QHL Digest:
- Hidden in Plain View Debate — Extensive discussion of Dobard and Tobin’s book on quilts as coded maps for the Underground Railroad, including debate over its scholarly rigor, the use of oral history, teaching unverified claims to children, and a direct exchange with co-author Jacqueline Tobin.
- History and Myth in Education — Members debate the broader responsibility of teachers and institutions to present verified history rather than romantic myths, from George Washington’s cherry tree to quilt-code stories. (see the article on quilt folklore)
- House Museum Accuracy — A museum volunteer asks about period-correct practices for an early 1800s house museum, including embroidery hoops, glass oil lamps, and the problem of anachronistic zippers in reproduction garments. (see the article on quilt museums)
- Quilt Restoration as Teaching Tool — Alan Kelchner proposes splitting an 1880s sampler quilt in half to create a before-and-after restoration teaching example, drawing opinions from list members. (see the article on quilt restoration)
- Double Wedding Ring Repair — Debbie in Jerusalem asks for advice on pricing and repairing a 1920s-30s Double Wedding Ring quilt, including photos and details of damage.
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:31:18 -0400 | From: david lyons <david.lyons2 [at] sympatico [dot] ca>
I would appreciate if anyone could give me direction to find the hstory of the name courthouse steps. Judy
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:44:22 -0400 | From: “J. G. Row” <Judygrow [at] blast [dot] net>
The problem with allowing children to learn just anything, true or not, is that they grow up and become adults and they remember. Then try teaching them that many of the Founding Fathers weren’t practising Christians, or that Lincoln wasn’t too keen on freeing the slaves, or whatever. Professional historians struggle constantly with people who grew up believing thing X or thing Y, a romantic fairy tale which undergirds their political or social views, and which is completely untrue. If children are smart and capable (and I agree that they are), then they deserve the truth. In addition, I think that people interested in the past are often motivated by their search for what really happened or what it really meant. They are looking for truth, and the fun of history is in its discovery. But if we don’t care if what we teach people (children and adults) is true, then what’s the point of even knowing the truth? Why bother? JMHO, Fiona in LA
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:32:33 +0100 | From: “Sally Ward” <Sally.D.Ward [at] btinternet [dot] com>
SubjectReHistory Message-ID<004501c01579$2c293ca0$112d63c3@oemcomputer> Content-Typetext/plain; charset”iso-8859-1″ Content-Transfer-Encoding7bit Remember that this history is not just being read by children. Here in the UK we don’t know your history, so the existence of the Underground Railroad, the activities of Harriet Tubman etc. – all this is news to us. If an adult reads the school’s website with the very easily accessible UGGR information (the map for instance) and takes that as factual ‘because a school is telling us so’, how are they to distinguish that the quilt story may be more speculative, given that an apparently reliable reference is quoted just as with the other pages? Unless the reader has access to other debating sources ( such as QHL
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 04:39:11 -0400 | From: “Roger Applegate” <rbappleg1 [at] home [dot] com>
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Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 06:39:23 -0500 | From: “Carol H. Elmore” <celmore [at] ksu [dot] edu>
I still receive my Illinois hometown newspaper and with it the other day was a special Arts insert from Peoria, Illinois. I noticed that on April 12, 2001 a lecture is being given that might be of interest to QHL readers. The lecture is as follows “Printed Cottons in 19th Century America” “A discussion of the technology of textile printing, as well as styles and motifs, types of fabrics, colors and marketing will be presented by Diane Affleck, museum consultant and former Senior Curator of the American Textile History Museum.” The lecture is being sponsored by the Fine Arts Society of Peoria, Lakeview Museum, 1125 W. Lake, Peoria. The lecture is at 1000 a.m. For information call 309-692-8884. Lectures are open to the public. Guests $5.00. I would love to attend this but living in Kansas and not having plans to visit in Illinois at that time make it probable that I won’t be attending. If anyone out there does attend would you give us a report on it? I know this is far in the future but wanted all of you that live close enough to attend to put it on your calendar. I’ll send a reminder closer to next April. Diane Affleck is the person who wrote that great book Just New From the Mill (I may have the title wrong and can’t put my hands on my copy right now.) Does anyone know if she is giving lectures anywhere else? Carol Elmore AQS Certified Appraiser Manhattan, Kansas
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:07:11 EDT | From: Karen Evans (KarenS21 [at] aol [dot] com)
Embroidery hoops can be seen in medieval illuminations going back to the 14th century at least, so the docents at the museum are on safe ground using wooden hoops. As for “there’s no way to know what they did,” that’s simply not true. If this place is interpreting the early 1800s, they should contact Old Sturbridge Village to see what they used, since OSV concentrates on the 1820s-1840s. And as for the woman with the zipper – she could use hook and eye tape instead, and get into her gown almost as quickly as with a zipper. I do medieval re-enactments and use hook and eye tape all the time. Hooks and eyes show up on Elizabethan gowns and doublets and aren’t hard to use at all. And lacing, the other technique, can be left partially laced and done up completely when the garment is worn. The zipper lady sounds like she doesn’t care – and believe me, the first time she gets a serious re-enacter or historian, she *will* care after the re-enacter gives her what for. Civil and Revolutionary War buffs are the absolute worst, and they will freak when they notice that zipper, guaranteed. Hope this helps! Karen Evans
Date: [date unknown] | From: “J. G. Row” <Judygrow [at] blast [dot] net>
Friends, I followed the lead left by one of our members to the site listing HIPV as a text taught to 4th graders. At the bottom of the web page was an instruction to contact a David Leahy with any comments about the page. I did, and we have had a nice correspondence. His latest asks a question I hope one of you can answer. Read on, and send your answer to me, and I will forward it to him. I do not think he wants to start corresponding with all of us on the list. Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrow [at] blast [dot] net —– Original Message —-FromDavid Leahy
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 16:02:07 -0500 From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co [at] airmail [dot] net> I too wrote to him, but haven’t heard back. I referenced QHL so he may think that by replying to you, Judy, he can address all of us. Glad to see he’s open minded! Laura | From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co [at] airmail [dot] net> I too wrote to him, but haven’t heard back. I referenced QHL so he may think that by replying to you, Judy, he can address all of us. Glad to see he’s open minded! Laura
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:13:03 EDT | From: PatKoerner [at] aol [dot] com
Concerning the comments about the use of “Hidden In Plain View” for teaching children about the URR. J. G. Row responded that those of us that study quilt history “universally” reject the theories presented in HIPV. I take exception to her use of the term “universally” to include all on this list who study quilt history. I dont want to get into any more discussion on the credibility of the book, however I do not hold with Judy’s opinions and I have seen a few comments supporting the oral culture the book offers so I dont think it is appropriate for anyone on the list to state that all on the list are in agreement on this or any other issue. Pat Moore
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:19:51 EDT | From: Karen Evans (KarenS21 [at] aol [dot] com)
Toqhl [at] cuenet [dot] com I’m with Judy on this one. Until there’s been a lot more research, and/or the authors are willing to publish *all* their notes (maybe in Uncoverings?), HIPV shouldn’t be presented as actual history. It’s a theory that may or may not have some validity, but the very fact that they used modern quilts to illustrate the theory rather than period ones makes me nervous. Anyway – hope everyone has a great holiday weekend. Me, I have to finish a term paper and then work on a quilted silk bodice in the Marseilles style. I must say that quilting a fine silk brocade produces just about the most wonderful texture imaginable…*sigh of pleasure*…. Karen Evans
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 00:42:55 -0400 | From: “J. G. Row” <Judygrow [at] blast [dot] net>
Well, Continuing this HIPV theme (surprise) I received the following copy from Jacqueline Tobin, one of the authors. She sent the original to Mr. Leahy. Either she lurks on this list, or Mr. Leahy somehow got in touch with her. She invites me to contact her further with any question. I do not feel I have adquate knowledge to have a debate with her, especially in what will be a public forum — i.e., forwarding everything to the list. As Kris suggested to me, our archives are full of wonderful posts from very knowledgeable quilt historians on this subject. I could send her to the archives or I can collect the best posts and send them to her, asking her to defend her thesis against our ideas. Or I could invite her to join the list and debate you wonderful folks in open forum. But it won’t be me. I don’t have the skill for that. I need your advice on this one. If you would like to contact her privately , I can give you her e-mail address. I won’t put it out on the list. Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrow [at] blast [dot] net >Hi David, I am one of the authors of Hidden in Plain View; perhaps you would like some words straight from my research as opposed to just persons who have not all read the book. The story code presented in HIPV was a story given me by an African American quilter who had received it from her mother and her grandmother. It had been passed down orally since the days of slavery. Yes, it is only in oral tradition. However, all history was oral until written down-think of the Bible as the best example of this. Now, my coauthor and I have never stated that this story could be generalized to every quilt and every quilt pattern. In the book and in our lectures we emphatically state that our research cannot take this code outside of this family; outside of the geographical area of South Carolina/Georgian low country area. Some persons unfortunately are saying things about our book that is inaccurate. We cannot be held accountable for everything everyone has to say. I spent over 7 years researching this book. It was only after the research and corroboration by the foremost Af.Am. quilt historian, Cuesta Benberry and other scholars that we went forward with the book. We do not believe we have all the answers, however, after 7 years of research and now a year and a half of lecturing around the country, I can say that there has been even more confirmation of pieces of the Code and our interpretation. Should you wish to discuss this further please feel free to contact me, Jacqueline Tobin
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:06:59 EDT | From: MQUILT56 [at] aol [dot] com
Greetings All, Why does the Hidden In Plain View book really strike a nerve with certain readers? It does’t seem to me that the argument of it not being a scholarly source is the only reason. In my opnion, I think many of us underestimate the intellect of many people in the world, children included. One of the great benefits of living in America is being able to choose what you want to believe. Even if down the road you choose to change your mind. I too, like many of you, work with children. Children are some of the most intelligent people I know. Most of them today know what they want and the ones who don’t know will test the water until they decide whether it is for them or not. What that fourth grade teacher is doing is a great thing! Even if he sites Hidden in Plain View as a source. I went to the web site myself and saw that he not only mentions HIPV but mentions lots of other books and provides great links too. He is exposing children to another world view. It doesn’t mean that all of the children he is working with is interested enough in the project to remember it all a few months from now. On the other hand, maybe there is a scholarly writer/researcher in the group. One of the children may take what they have received from working on that project and years from now produces a best seller about the UGRR that we can all agree on. When I put myself in the shoes of those grade school children, I imagine them getting such a great feeling of pride to know that so many people have entered the web site that they have had input in creating. Thier art work is being shown to the public and people are reading the text that they have written. Some may also be learning to have compassion for a culture of people who may or may not be thier own. What better self-esteem booster is there for a child?
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 20:36:47 EDT | From: Karen Evans (KarenS21 [at] aol [dot] com)
And children thirty years ago got an alternate opinion that ancient astronauts had visited this planet thanks to Erich von Daniken’s poorly researched and badly written books, and back in the 50s everyone was convinced that reincarnation was true because of Bridey Murphy. “Alternative history” does nothing to train children in anything but romantic stories unless it teaches them to research their facts and be prepared to defend them in public. Karen Evans
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 22:01:55 -0500 | From: Jocelyn <Jocelynm [at] delphi [dot] com>
In the 19th century, a man wrote a book about George Washington. It was published with the author’s name as ‘Pastor Weems’, although the man was not a pastor, but a book publisher. In it he told such charming stories as Little George and the Cherry Tree. When I was in grade school, I was taught this as fact. In college, I heard that ‘Pastor Weems’ was the originator of the story, and then I thought that there was something perverse about a man of the cloth making up lies about Washington to make the point that children should not lie. I learned last year that he wasn’t a pastor…and now I think there’s something incredibly cynical about this man making up a pastor-storyteller to fleece the public into buying his book. Was it in my best interest to teach me a lie, as the truth? And what about my classmates, who may never have heard the second two facts? You may be free to believe what you want in America, but that doesn’t make it true! At the same time I was told about Little George, my classmates and I believed that if you ate spinach, you’d be instantly stronger, like Popeye, and that fat men in red velvet suits came down 6″ chimneys on December 24th, and that if you had a blue leotards and a red satin cape, you too could fly. Children may be intelligent, but they are also susceptible to believing what adults tell them. They may be able to figure it out eventually, but does it make it OK for adults to hand out misinformation? If the adult finds it impossible to figure out what is historical fact and what is embroidered fiction, how on earth can we expect that the children under his or her care can get the job done? And if the teacher DOES know which is true and which isn’t, but chooses to teach legends and fables as fact, that’s just plain disgusting. I remember the first Sunday the children’s choir performed after I’d graduated from it. I was shocked to discover that they did NOT sound like cherubs, as we had been told for years. They sounded like screech-owls. I was humiliated to remember that I had gotten up there and sung, thinking the congregation was really pleased to hear us, only to learn that they were just tolerating the gosh-awful noise because we were ‘cute’. Whatever ‘self-esteem’ I had gotten from those years of praise flew right out the window, as I realized that I had been praised on false pretexts. I wonder if those children are going to feel equally good about their artwork once they learn that it is NOT genuine UGRR artwork, when they learn that what they wrote is not the true story of the UGRR and ‘the way things were’, but, at best, one family’s story. What does it tell children if the stories they learn about African-American history are later revealed to them as untrue? Perhaps, the conclusion might be that there IS no contribution by African-Americans, if their teachers can’t find some indisputably factual stories to teach about African-American contributions. If you have to exaggerate someone’s role in history, perhaps they didn’t have much of a role to begin with. That’s a deadly lesson for children of all ethnicities. Certainly it’s disrespectful to African-American students for a teacher to teach a lesson about the contributions of their ancestors, while devoting so little time to preparation that s/he doesn’t know truth from imagining. What does that say about the importance of their contributions? Jocelyn
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 22:02:01 -0500 | From: Jocelyn <Jocelynm [at] delphi [dot] com>
Ruth, I really appreciated your comment about how you feel obliged to participate in show-and-tell as a show-er, as well as an observer.
Another good reason is one I learned in another group, one for historical re-enactment. Novices would say that they’d never enter a competition, because the experts were soooo much better. Of course the experts were trying to encourage everyone to participate, but the novices only saw their recent work. Finally, someone organized a competition where everyone had to enter his or her FIRST project! Then, the novices could see that some of the experts had started off with far less skill than they themselves possessed.
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 00:39:26 -0400 | From: Alan Kelchner <quiltfix [at] mail [dot] jax [dot] bellsouth [dot] net>
The proverbial horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp. Since I really don’t want to inflict more pain, I have need of your opinion – too bad you all aren’t opinionated !
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 02:04:38 EDT | From: MQUILT56 [at] aol [dot] com
As per the response to my post, I found it necessary to expand on some elementary facts. There were two distinct parallel poles of thought entering the 20th Century. There was an academic, scientific, traditional way of thought, based on a straight literal culture. This culture was commonly generated in the universities and colleges in Europe and what finally became America. The access to this arena was clearly restricted to people of color, especially those in chattel slavery. This lead to the development of another distinct intellectual parallel realm which enabled those disenfranchised citizens an opportunity to develop their intellectual prowess. This often took on colloquial terms such as folk art, non-accredited, and oral tradition, to name a few. However, this realm was based in the rich Nile, Indus, Yellow, and Euphrates cultures which played a major role in the development of humanity. There was a time when cranial capacity was equated with intellect. This has been proven scientifically inaccurate based on the fact that tool making which is a bench mark, written language, computation, and city building were considered the measurement of academic or intellectual civilization. In our 21st Century, information doubles every fifteen (15) months. Therefore, many of the misconceptions, historical innuendoes, and plain inconsistent information is clearly unacceptable when we all have correct, clear research sources at our fingertips. Although people of African descent in America were systematically excluded and later denied access through DE-facto laws, they were still able to rise on the intellectual ladder through scholarship and perseverance by graduating from college over 1 million in the 90’s when less than 2,000 were graduated at the turn of the 20th Century. The predecessors of many of these present day scholars prepared them with immense wisdom using oral tradition. If anyone is interested in some of the titles I have included in my bibliography, you are more than welcome to e-mail me privately at MQUILT56 [at] aol [dot] com. Myrah
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:32:45 +0200 | From: debbie [at] actcom [dot] co [dot] il
)The proverbial horse has been beaten to a bloody pulp. Since I really )don’t want to inflict more pain, I have need of your opinion – too bad )you all aren’t opinionated !
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:32:09 EDT | From: Bethquilt5 [at] aol [dot] com
My, my, my. It’s okay to lump your opinions and respond for the list (and may I say publicly, you are never speaking for me). It’s okay for you to publicly trash Dobard and Tobin all over the internet. But for Ms. Tobin to defend herself and get into a real discussion with you, well that you’re just not ready to face. The negativity expressed toward Hidden In Plain View will be closing off avenues of research into why this myth exists and what makes it so important for that community of myth followers to want to believe it. Beth Donaldson Lansing, Michigan
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:48:03 EDT | From: JBQUILTOK [at] aol [dot] com
I’ve been very disturbed lately about the way ‘politically correct’ is re-writing history. Here in Oklahoma, the state has a flag display at the capitol of the various entities that have ruled the land. That included a brief period under the Confederacy. There was an outrage over the Stars & Bars & that flag was removed from the display. I’ve always felt that if it came down, they all should. It’s a mis-representation of state history to say it is not part of the past. I have trouble with people who think swastika quilts should be destroyed or hidden also. They have a long & happy history which is being erased by association with a lunatic & his followers. Does it hurt children to be told the myths like George chopping down the cherry tree? I don’t know that it does. Do we give up Christmas stockings because it is impossible for reindeer to fly? We learned it was fun to get surprises & when we grew up, we learned it was our responsibility to give the them. Tradition! How many quilts have been made in the last 30 yrs w/ ‘deliberate mistakes’ in them based on the myth that only God could create perfection? Janet
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:36:27 EDT | From: Karen Evans (KarenS21 [at] aol [dot] com)
I beg your pardon? What do you mean, “But for Ms. Tobin to defend herself and get into a real discussion with you, well that you’re just not ready to face”? Jacqueline Tobin’s letter to me was a request that I direct any questions about her book to her. I sent her several and was promised a reply after the holiday. J. G. Row did the same, and for all I know, so did half a dozen other people. How, pray tell, does asking questions and waiting for a reply qualify as “not being ready to face” opposing views? And may I ask how Jacquelin Tobin has publicly defended herself? Her mail to me was nothing of the sort. It solicited direct questions. I assume the defense will come when she replies this week. Finally, I do not see how *any* of this is cutting off research into the possibility of Underground Railroad quilts, any more than me telling a girl in the SCA that the Amish did not originate patchwork stopped research into pre-American quilts. If anything, it’s a (probably fruitless) attempt to stop a piece of speculation from turning into holy writ. Please recall that it took decades for the misdating in Marie Webster and Ruth Finley’s books to work its way out of the literature. I’m waiting for Jacqueline Tobin’s reply to my questions about methodology and supporting evidence. If anything is interested, please e-mail me privately and I’ll forward them when I get them. Karen Evans
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 13:47:52 -0500 | From: Laura Hobby Syler <texas_quilt.co [at] airmail [dot] net>
Alan, dear….
Sampler Circa 1870 that a dealer had kept in his stash to use “for parts”. He sent it to me to do likewise but I was so amazed at all the wonderful fabrics and patterns that I’ve kept it as an example. Knowing you, what ever you think you have the time and stamina for will be just fine. And don’t feel badly if you don’t see total restoration in it’s future! Laura
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 17:51:44 -0400 | From: “fawn” <fawn [at] cwv [dot] net>
I agree that Jaquelin Tobin’s book about quilts and the Underground = Railroad has struck a nerve. For me, the sensation is astonishment that = anyone believes that slaves might possess sets of quilts, that movement = along the Underground Railway was during the day (when you could see a = quilt), or that quilt block patterns from the 20th century existed in = the 1840s and 1850s. Quilts constructed with pieced blocks were just = getting started as a stylistic trend in the 1840s, and many of the = pieced patterns illustrated in Tobin’s book do not appear in quilts made = during the days of the Underground Railroad. Fawn Valentine
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 18:27:42 -0500 | From: Jocelyn <Jocelynm [at] delphi [dot] com>
> Does it hurt children to be told the myths like George chopping down the > cherry tree? I don’t know that it does. Janet, I don’t know that it does, IF they’re told ‘This is a made-up story about George Washington’. But if they’re told it’s historical fact? Shouldn’t children be able to rely on their teachers as a source of truth? If teachers choose to teach the truth some of the time, and made-up stories some of the time, how are the children supposed to know which to believe and which not to believe?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:59:12 EDT | From: Karen Evans (KarenS21 [at] aol [dot] com)
Someone recently asked if it hurts children to learn about George Washington and the cherry tree. My answer is *yes*. The incident did not happen, and any school that continues to teach this is doing its students a huge disservice. Washington was a great commander and a fine politician. Making him in an exemplar of truth telling in an attempt to shame small children is neither good teaching nor good history. Karen Evans
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:32:36 -0400 | From: “Gail Tilton” <gailtilt [at] home [dot] com>
Alan, Just another lurker with an opinion. I like your idea for the ratty quilt and I’m sure students would love it. I look forward to seeing a photo when you’re done. Gail Tilton
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:46:43 -0500 | From: “Kathy Ross” <kaross [at] ix [dot] netcom [dot] com>
Howdy! Can someone direct me to a good book(s) about repairing = quilts? The only repair I’m going to attempt anytime soon should be an = easy one. It is just a section where the fabric has pulled out from the = stitching along the edge of a block (about 4-5inches).=20 I don’t know if I should try to sew it back with just the fabric = that is there, or possibly try to tuck a piece of fabric inside where it = will be sewn to prevent any gap for the batting to show through. I’ve = got a couple other older quilts I would like to do something with = eventually, but thought I would start with something small to repair = first. Thanks! Kathy
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 06:55:56 -0700 | From: “Kathie Fortner” <kathleen [at] execulink [dot] com>
> I bought this sampler quilt, C. 1880. It’s ratty, filthy, and in need > of serious work to be anywhere near livable (no, it’s not even > folding-on-a-rack condition What about taking it completely apart and using the pieces to restore other period quilts that you feel are in better condition? Kathie
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:58:47 -0400 | From: Ricki Maietta <rmaietta [at] csrlink [dot] net>
In response to J. G. Row’s question on the best method of corresponding with one of the Hidden In Plain View authors, I would be very curious & quite willing to hear if she has had other people tell her similar stories as she travels around lecturing. There are two women in my community who researched, wrote a book (can’t think of the name), & eventually made a PBS documentary on the underground railroad as it pertained locally (north-central PA). I asked one of them, a black woman noted for being a historian of local African Americans, if they ever came across the quilts-as-signals stories in their research – no, never even heard of it. Maybe it was a local/ regional thing? I haven’t read the book, but have sometimes found that there is some shred of truth behind myths or stories. Not wanting to pass judgments, not believing or non- believing anything in particular at this point, but ever curious, & wondering what this person is hearing on the lecture circuit. . . .??? Maybe if she has heard more stories like those related in her book, she would just be willing to share some of those stories with us (with a little documentation of who, when, where, etc.) . . . Ricki
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:30:23 -0400 | From: “J. G. Row” <Judygrow [at] blast [dot] net>
Following is a reply I got from Jacqueline Tobin, author of HIPV. I must admit that the paragraphing is mine! JT had just one run-on paragraph that I found it difficult to read. And, she asked specifically that I forward it to the list. Judy in Ringoes, NJ judygrow [at] blast [dot] net —– Original Message —-From
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 09:47:28 +0200 | From: Ady Hirsch <adamroni [at] netvision [dot] net [dot] il>
Just my opinion – I am aware of the swastica’s history as a symbol of good luck. In fact, in Sanskrit it actually stands (ironically) for “well being”. However, it had been tainted so deeply by it’s association with the Nazis that many (myself included) cannot even look at it without a shudder of revulsion. Of the thousands of quilt patterns in existence, I think perhaps this one is better left alone. Ady in Israel
